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Yes, I will admit the point do go right passed me because I asked you to provided Bible verses that support your claims and you fail to do so. You say that "it says it in the Bible", but fail to state in what verse. Until you add Bible verses to your statements I will continue to by pass them, with your own saying, "its just your interpretation". What scripture have you shared? I didn't see you reference any verses? Maybe I missed that, I know you stated a chapter, but I had to read through it and find which verse you were talking about. Also you think I am "twisting" verses to support what I say? I shared with you the Hebrew/Greek words along with their definition so that there would be not confusion. I did it so that you could take it "literally". And there are many other verses that support that. I am yet to see any verses that you have posted that stated how there are many Gods, how eternaty is just my own theology and how God is apart of time, how Joseph Smith was right on how the US Civil War in D&C 87 was actually a World War, and Jesus's false prophecy. To me it seems that you tend to state alot of facts, but you refuse to supply the verses that I am trying to kindly request of you. Is it anit mormon? If I try to make a statment of what I read and it disagrees with mormons is it anti mormon? Would you then kindly supply the other missing half of the statement and the verse reference to which I happend to miss? I am not playing nicely? You have tried to frustrate me with your sarcasm, you have tried to attack me personally, and yet I am not playing nicely? You also stated that Jesus made a false prophecy and still haven't gave the verse in which it states that, and when the other poster got angry, you step back and say its our fault? My question is how are you playing nicely? The God of common Christianity is a false construction of men. An incomprehensible nothing. No wonder President Hinkley denied it. Study the doctrine/history of the doctrine of the Trinity, compare it to the scriptures you & I share, and prove to me that they are the same being! You cannot! It's impossible! Thank God for a living prophet, to declare the truth. Actually if you take all the verses where it states that God the Father is the only God and there are none other (It He states of any kind, regardless of power and posistion) than Him, you must have the Trinity, because Jesus is God, and the Holy Ghost is God. Yet, how can there only be one? That is why the Trinity is accepted by many Theologians and Christians. Yes, you have eye witness accounts of many in the Bible that says that Jesus was at the right hand of God, but when God himself is talking and stating that there are no other gods besides I, then I would go with what God said, then what man said. But the only theory of mormonism that is out there that is attempting to destroy the Trinity is the teaching that man could become God. The reason it is not so is because if man becomes God, (1) God is not eternal, (2) God is not all knowing (as he had to "progress"), (3) that there are millions of Gods (which then you must state why does God state the he knows of none other?), (4) God created evil (it is stated by LDS that we are here on earth to expirence and go through trials), (5) then God states good not because its good, but because he said (then you would have to question what is "good" and what is "bad".. is it all opinion?) , (6) who was the first thing to become God and how was the "trials and qualifications" defined, and (7) where was he able to learn through the trials? (If a planet there must have been something before him). Also God being out of time could be read in the 1st chapter of Genesis, where it states the end of the first day. Because if he created the first day then he must have been there before the 1st day correct? If so couldn't one conclude that Time itself or the time for the human race was not applied to God before the 1st day? If so couldn't He still not be bound to out time? *For a couple of verse, I have posted them in earlier posts.

This wouldn't make it more difficult, because did not Christ come and tell us what we needed to do? Even before him did not the Jews have contact with God to tell them what to do? Just because you don't understand one of many aspect of God that doesn't mean you can't follow what he said. Actually it does. You can read- Due 18:22 : When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously thou shalt not be afraid of him. Now lets go over the words in Hebrew so that there is not error in our own translation of the verse. afraid in Hebrew is "gur" and means: to turn to him, to dwell, fear, and gather. prophet in Hebrew is "nawbiy" and means: inspired man. So it should be easily understood that we are not to listen to that man. Not to dwell or go to him. And yes if 1 false prophecy comes, it makes him a false prophet. You stated that Jesus made a false prophecy, but could you give us the verse so that we may see if you claim can be remotely true. I believe I know what verse you are talking about, but I would like to know for sure. Aren't they talking there about the foretelling of the end times? If you continue to read the verses after it seems that they are talking about the things to come, in Acts 3:24? And you are saying you are not doing this? All you have showed my is this in fact and that you don't take the time to research what the words actually mean in their original Hebrew. For example the verse in Isaiah, the verse in Exodus, and many others that support these. Out of that whole chapter you referred to in Isaiah, there is only one verse that seems to point to more than "one god", but not a council, as it also identifies the rest as to be serphims. Here is the verse: Isa 6:8 Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, Here am I send me. But right here is where I believe it is the Trinity of; God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit. Also I don't see how you could say here is proof of a council of "many gods" and give a number. (As you claim to be some 70) Wow, you think all I am doing is reading anti-LDS sites? First I am not doing so, but 2nd if I were, you can't even defend that properly. Ok, here let me help you with this. I will try to go over everything I know about the Trinity. I hope this makes sense, and many other Christians believe this too, so I am not the only one on this. Here are 4 concepts that the Trinity tries to accomplish: (1) Jesus Christ is God in flesh, (2) God the Father is also God, (3)the Holy Ghost is God, and (4) There is only one God. Here are a couple of verses that support that there is one God and only one God. Isaiah 43:10 - : Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. God- In Hebrew is "ale" and means: any deity (notice that it is any, meaning of any kind) Formed- In Hebrew is "yatsar" and means: make After- In Hebrew is "achar" and means: beside, by, following, hereafter Deuteronomy 6:4 - Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD. one in Hebrew is - echod which means: alone, first, one, only LORD in Hebrew is - y'hovah which means: self existent, eternal, Jehovah Isaiah 44:6: Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. First- In Hebrew is "ri'shon" meaning : in place, in time, order Last- In Hebrew is "acharyon" meaning : later, uttermost no- In Hebrew is "ayin" meaning : nothing, not exist, never This is pretty simple to understand too don't you think? Now you believe that God the Father is God so I won't have to prove that to you. But Jesus and the Holy Spirit being God I may have to prove so I will do it right now. Holy Ghost: (Act 5:3) But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie4 to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? (Act 5:4) Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God. Here God in Greek is "theos" which means: A deity of supreme Divinity. Jesus: 1 Tim 3:16 - And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. And for there to be only 1 God yet to be 2 different persons there is the Trinity. And that is what I have been trying to say 3 persons as one being. They are 3 different beings, nor am I saying that they are the same thing, but they are 3 persons as one being, as a shamrock or egg has three parts in one being. Also for your information the Trinity was being taught during the 3rd century. You can look it up if you want to. This is actually kind of a sad statement. Because this question could be easily rephrased to state something like this: "How is it that you are the chosen one to determine what is literal?" Also you can easily prove that it was not literal because if you read just a couple more verses, God says to Moses that no man can see his face and live. Could you supply the verse for this please? Just because you cannot see Gods face doesn't mean that you cannot be in he presence don't you think?

Well, thats the deal. Jesus says that no one can come to the Father except through me. So Jesus must have some importance than just the Father correct? What should you do then in honoring that?

Wow, I am sorry if you took my posts this way. The first thing I tried to keep in my mind was not to do what you are saying I am doing.And well, apparently I have not bee too good to this and so I will try in later post to inquire more questions about what people say instead of trying to point out the mistakes. So thank you for this post and I will try to be more respectful of other people positions. If you still decide not to post anymore on this topic I would like to say thank you for your posts, I have enjoyed talking with you, and I hope all goes well. Also I really encourage you to research who Joseph Smith was as a man and a prophet, from the LDS, Christian, and 3rd party point of views. The reason I am saying this is because the Book of Mormon pretty much lays on the shoulders of Joseph Smith and if he was right or wrong is a pretty big deal, being that the Book of Mormon, D&C, and PoGP are at stake here. Again I would really encourage you to read the criticisms and facts (Both good and bad) about him so that you may really know who he was. Hey hold on, I didn't say that the Bible was a metaphor, you kind of turned my simple example over the whole Bible. I used the example to attempt to explain eternity. I am not saying that eternity itself or the Bible is a metaphor. You know what, this is what you can do, explain to me what the essence of eternity, and what eternity consists of. Then maybe I can get a hold of where you are coming from. Can you please elaborate on the pre-existence. I have heard Mormon's speak on this and I am still not totally understanding where they are coming from when they say this. Could you please explain what answers that are not found in the Bible? Because any problems that I have had, the Bible has been able to help explain what I should do. Yes, we can believe what the Bible says, that is what we are debating over. Is it the Trinity or a council of gods? Because a "council" of Gods sound a bit like Greek Mythology to me. And could you explain where in the Bible it states this? Yes, he was not the last one as the Jews (and LDS) still use the Aaronic Priesthood. Now the Melchizedek Priesthood Christ is the one who has it. He never died and so never passed it on correct? Yes, this is true. The thing is that you are not understanding what I beleive to be the Trinity, the best example that I was taught with and many other too, is the Trinity is like an egg, you have the yolk, egg white and shell. All three are different, but one being.

Ok, no it doesn't state it word for word "God is out of Time" in the Bible, but there are many explanations for this. For example you said that he rested on the seventh day and are saying that he must be in "day" , so therefore in "time" or some type of time. Well let me ask you this. If you were eternal and out of time how would you describe that to someone in time? You would of course use time to explain timelessness. For example if I were to explain what the ocean was to someone who never seen a large body of water, would be pretty hard to use terms that are associated with the ocean. To explain it I could say the ocean is a gathering of a large amount of water and that you can't see the other side, I could also say that it can reflect the sun like a mirror in the sunset, and on windy days have large sharp hill like "waves". Now does this mean that the ocean is an endless mirror with hills on it?No it doesn't by any means. I used the mirror and hills as an example to explain something different, something that he hadn't seen ever. Now how does this explain the seventh day? Well if he said he created everything in some order according to him it would be hard to grasp, but if he said I took 7 days on earth then it is easier to grasp how long it took.

This is true you can't just say you believe you have to do what he says. But it doesn't say you are saved by them. For example if you have faith in someone, you believe what he says correct? Well, if you don't do what he says can you really say you believe what he says? No, you can't. That is why you do what he says, not as works, but because you believe what he said is true. You aren't saved by works, you are saved by grace. You can't be saved by both, it then would not be grace would it? Could you give me a list where it says there are more than one true God? And yes I believe I could be wrong, but you could very well be too and you haven't given me any solid ground for me to consider, but what you feel and I am sorry, but that isn't enough. Also maybe you were taught from when you were born, because I wasn't, I wasn't saved until my later years so I was taught and expirenced alot of things before I was born. Am I going way beyond the Bible? The whole spirit children and how Satan is Jesus's brother, and how we may one day become God is way beyond the Bible and it seems that you except that as truth, but it isn't even spoke of in the Bible, it is actually spoken against. What was the serpents temptationt Eve? You can become like god by eating the forbidden fruit, knowing both good and evil. Also you can't believe wholly the LDS doctrine and the Bible as it contritdict like it is going out of style. I can give you a list if you want. The reason they call it polytheism is because they are 3 seperate beings, I and many other christians believe the Trinity to be one inseperatable being. It states it over and over in the Bible. 16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them. 17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted. 18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen. He says he is with us always. So he must have been there in the beginning and will be with us in the end. Jesus has been there always and so has the rest of the Trinity. Jesus also states that you know God the Father through Christ and that God the Father and Jesus are one. So you are here saying that you believe in many Gods? Then why does it say that God knows no other gods, not even one, this it states in Isaiah. Are you saying that God's knowledge is limited to just his own presence? If so then we would have to question what does he actually know. Also the post made by Aweslthew (spelling may be wrong) says how I am going way outside the Bible, but the whole thing on how Yam fell and was replaced by Baal and a Devine council that is equal with God is way beyond what I am saying and way outside of the text of the Bible. Also you need to note that god the name is also given to men/creatures of great power, as Satan is considered the god/ruler of this world and the kings of the earth and such have also been given the term "god". So this is where you might be mistake as there is a council of "gods".

Again here you are stating the law of Time. God created time and so in not apart of time itself. For example say you are writing a story about Mary. You start writing this sentence, "Mary started to go to sleep then, ....", you here the phone ring, and so you go answer the phone and forget about the sentence and then go have lunch. You come back and see that the sentence wasn't finished and so finish saying, " she heard a knock at the door", now there has been about 2 hours between the start and finish of the sentence, but for the person in the story, it has been maybe 2 minutes or so. Here is another example if you look at a time line you will see a long line of dates. You look at then and they are all present to you. As you can access any of the information at any time without have to wait (you dont have to wait 20 years to read what 1920 has to say and what 1940 has to say). God is like the person in front of the time line, everything is present and so when people die they come out of that "time" of which we are apart of. Now yes everyone will be judged at one time. But you must understand that we reason in time and day God has no time and day. That like saying after you die, I have to wait "x" amount of years in spirit in a spirit world before I am eternal in spirit. You are then saying time only applies to certain "spirits" and that there are different stages of "spirits" and that some "spirits" must change again to become eternal. This is not so. Also where does it say this in scripture. It says it when God says he is the Alpha and Omega beginning and end. He is the First and the Last (Alpha and Omega) and in time you have a beginning and end. To reason this is to try to reason outside of what God created for you to reason with. For example if you read the book "The theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein" he has a section that goes over what he believe to be time and the characteristics. He almost was able to describe it in math, but as you have noticed he and no other have been able to find the exact equation. Are Satan and his demons outside of time? Yes, they don't "age". They are eternally separated for God and to be so they would have to be eternal themselves. Now about the spirit world thing. When you say a blink of an eye in a spirit prison that wouldn't be so bad. Well you have to do to things on this. You are trying to compare 2 different "realities" if you will and so to go on with this you would have to say well spending a blink of an eye in hell isn't bad. But there has to be some type of "experience", for it there was not experience you couldn't have torment or joy. Now how do you explain how "experience" works in Heaven or Hell, I really have no idea, to tell you the truth I haven't been there yet .

Oh, sorry I noticed I didn't answer this one . This would be simple. Christ was able to do this because he was God in flesh. He doesn't need the Aaronic priesthood, he was PERFECT and sinless and so would not need to be saved from sin. Now no God can't just change the priesthood when every he wants. He only established one to man until Christ came to fulfill the Melkizedek priesthood. Also no it doesn't work that way. Christ is forever eternal and so doesn't pass the priesthood, so until Christ dies eternally he will never change the priesthood. And since he is eternal he will forever be our High Priest. Now you are being out there ... Just because you say the Lamenites (Who we have no solid evidence for their existence) were nomadic they would have left the city alone? If they destroyed it there would be ruins. Or are you saying they moved every stone out of place and moved them across America so that no one could find any evidence that they ever existed?!? This would be so far out there. Now maybe we couldn't find any? Maybe, but sooner or later you would find something, we been here some 300 years in America can we have one artifact for evidence? I mean is that too much to ask? Yes, I do believe that they would have changed, but they would not be erased from the earth. We are talking about Mayan size temples here. These are HUGE and if they built these you think we would find one ruined one. We actually have no trace whatsoever of them.(Well except the Mayan ones of course ) Joseph Smith being a prophet isn't a personal answer. Have you ever head the saying, "With proof like that who needs evidence?" That is what you just said. Actually I took the God given ability of reason and said he isn't a prophet. - This should answer your question. It is saying don't be a hypocrite. If you are going out and stealing cars don't preach that no one should steal cars. This right here says why you can't be saved by works. They were able to cast out demons in Jesus Christ's name and yet they could not enter heaven. They also did mighty works and still not. Also no it is not my thing to say you are not a Christian, but when you deny the Trinity you are denying one of the greatest aspects of God and saying you believe in more than one God which is polytheism, which the Bible states that there in only 1 God and he knows none other.

Ok, just because "other" christian are doing it doesn't mean it is Biblical. Extra things I really don't have much to say for. I totally disagree for the baptism for the dead because once your dead, the game is over. There isn't any need for it and the Bible doesn't say you need to do it. If you do it I don't believe your cultic, just wasting your time. But then again it is your time to waste according to free will. Also I would apprciate if you would state that I need to do my home work. If you are a mormon you would really have no idea where I am comming from. As I listen to what you have to say, listen to me. Also I never said they didn't baptise for the dead, I said it isn't Biblical. That is a major difference. Ok, this I have to say is a good question. Notice when you say in the last day, this doesn't imply the last day for God, but us. God is eternal and so don't have a beginning or end, and in do have this ability is not governd by time. So when some one dies they are judged and the reward or condemnation is given instantaiously. How is this? Because God is forever present (Due to no time he is never old), right now is just as new as yesterday and tomorrow will be. So in a sense when you die you will be at the end of days(for you). Being that we are governed by time. Now how does this apply to Abraham's Bosom if you had to wait for Christ to save you? Well you had to "wait" because you could not go to heaven. To answer this accuratly you would have to answer this question. If you are now not governed by time and there is no time, how long do you "wait"? This is like saying how long is eternaty and how long will it feel to you? Also God is just and loving, yes. But this don't mean what you implied it to mean. Because God is just, you fear him because he cannot let sin go on without being punish for if he let sin slide, he may be good to you, but now not just. And actually we all deserve to go to Hell, that is why Christ came so that we may have to ability to go to heaven. Well you kind of used a poor analagy for that. In the prison thing. It is almost like this. Say you everyone over on earth was dirty. And God didn't want you to mess everything up and so contructed a temperery motel that you could "stay" at until Christ was to come over and say God is ready for you to come over to his Hotel where he was able to put down some plastic covers so you didn't get dirt all over the place. Now everyone can go to his Hotel because he has done the neccassary work so you don't mess it up. This doesn't mean that the old motel has to be torn down. It just means no one has to stay there any more. (I did this one on the fly so you kind of have to forgive me).

Well, here you kind of took it at face value. There are many cities that were "lost" in the Bible. For example Jericho, and they have almost 100% found Sodom and Gomora, they were able to find through the clues of the Bible. Now why haven't they found the great and might city of Zerahemla the capital of the Neophite Empire? It isn't only bigger, but older and more advanced than Jerusalem. They had HUGE temples, like the Mayan, but we can't find those, why? How about the Lamenites, the ones who conquered them? And also where are the cities of Nahom and the Arabian Bountiful located? Another thing here I wasn't saying this proves Jesus, but it does give us the thought that maybe since all this evidence is true that maybe the rest of it might be to, where as in the Book of Mormon, there is pretty much no Historical evidence whatsoever Now the question comes up. Is Joseph Smith a prophet? This has to be a yes or no answer, no maybe answers. I have to say that by the evidences in the Book of Mormon, I would have to say no. He said he saw God the Father, which in the Bible it clearly states that you cannot. There are some 3 or more stories of the appearance to Joseph Smith. From just angels, to God being there, to just Jesus being there. I mean you think if something that great happend you would never forget it. Also he is the only prophet to bring a "New" book that contridicts the Bible in more than one place. Another quite interesting thing to know is if you watch the new LDS video(the one they published) on Joseph Smith, they portray him as a "Lamb lead to the slaughter". Also the tour guides of the Carthage prison speak that way, that all they had was canes to fend off the people. Thats great and fine, but if you read the church history (the one the LDS published) it states that he basically died in a gun battle. He wounded 3, killing 2. He was smuggled a 6 shooter pistol into his cell before the incedent. This kind of says alot about the LDS church. Also in situations like that you can tell what a man is like.( In the unexpectated or dire circumstances, not in every day life.) They also state that they found the Talismen of Jupiter on Joseph Smith after he had died. Maybe it didn't mean anything, but the Talismen Of Jupiter is an artifact of cultic, satanic background, that really doesn't make sense for him to be wearing it. (It is used by people practicing Wikka, but the true background comes from Egypt and it comes from the worship of other gods.) There is something to note here, when we talk about these empires we are not locolizing them. These are regional empires, comparable to the Roman or Greek empires. So there should be some evidences beyond the local, to refrence some type of existance. For example the Nephites are almost like the Jews, as they document alot of stuff, why can't we find any documents? Ok, I agree with you on that, but didn't Jesus suppossedly come to them? That means America would have to have some very drastic land mass changes in about 2000 years. Actually not only drastic in local areas but nation wide where you couldn't even reconize the old America. It is just imopossible. You fail to answer what I stated, I am saying there isn't just a few here and there. There should be collosal amounts. For example there should be some 2,300,000 coins. This would be only if every soldier had only 1 coin. It states that they had an advanced coin system. Why can't we find just 1? We have been here for some 300 years, you think we could have found 1. (How long do we have to wait for the smallest of evidences?) This is what I mean, they don't know where it is. Pretty much every city that is mentioned is being debated on where it could have been. (the ones I am referring to are the ones that are supposed to be located here in America) The skeletal remains by no means conclude that these could have been Nephite orign. Also you state that they could have made changes to the original way of life. This is true, but there is not way that they would have abbandond everything and lived like the Native Americans lived. They were able to create metal armor, had an advanced coin system, were able to build huge structures, and much more. How and why would they give this up to live almost a nomadic life style. Now the Mayans and Aztec civilizations were "advanced", but not nearly as advanced as the Nephites were or the Lamenites, they would have had to go back in time to become the Aztec civilztion. It would be the first to ever be done as far as I know. Exacly my point. What is one of the most debated creeds of Christianity and Mormonism? The Trinity.... The Christian's belive that God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit are one in being, while the Mormons deny it. That would mean that you do not believe in the same God as Christians.

Ok , Misshalfway where in the Bible does it say that everyone can aquire the Aaronic Priesthood. Because if anyone know more about that it would be the Jews, as they still practice it today, according to the Law given to them by God. (They don't believe Christ came so still practice as if Christ had not come yet.) The definition and role for the priesthood's are the definition of why one cannot co-exist with the other one. If it is just a "Title" then there is not reason to debate. But that isn't the case. There was a role and responsibility for each one and each one's role and responsibility are against each other. That is why Christ came to fulfill the Law and make a new covenant. He fullfilled the law and in the new covenant we are neither saved nor condemned by it, but by it we know sin. (Paul Stated this. For example if I were to tell someone that water (H20) could only be in the state of ice or gas at a given time not both. If they did not understand what Ice or Gas was or the states of water it would be difficult to say why they could not co-exist, but in the definition of the ice and gas states of water you find out why they cannot co-exist just in the definition, there would be no sense in trying to have a "logical" debate on that. And that is what I am trying to say. In the purposes that each priesthood was to serve, makes it unable to co-exist. Once again you are missing the point, I am stating their roles because to understand why they cannot co-exist one would have to understand, (1) Why they came to be, and (2) what where they established to fulfill. Because we must all agree that they were not established just for the sake of it . Yes, I know he did not go straight to the father, but he when down to Abrahams Bosom. When he went down there he set the captives free. They are now no longer there, but in heaven. Abraham's Bosom is no longer because Christ died and went down (just as you said) and saved the captives. Also you did not answer my question, where in the Bible does it say it still exists to this day? Now this is interesting that you brought this up darrel. Here, I believe you would be referring to the modern day prophets, the Book of Mormon and the other such books that the LDS use. I would like to state that I am coming from a Christian point of view, not an LDS view. I have personally read what I consider enough of the book of Mormon. The reason why I do not refer to the book of Mormon on my spiritual difficulties or theologies because just like Aelswyth, I love History, I read it for enjoyment and for my spare time, and when I read the book of Mormon pretty much all of the history is just out there with not archaeological evidence whatsoever. Now I am not saying that there needs to be evidence for everything just at least a couple of things, maybe at least one thing. But I don't find it anywhere in the Book of Mormon, except the parts that reference to the Bible. Here are some things that I find hard to believe: Not one of the Neophite cities have been found or traces of the Lamenities. Also a lot of the information regarding the Americas are totally out on its own, that is why there is no maps in the back of the Book of Mormon stating the geographic locations of the ancient cities that they often refer to. The reason of this is because the LDS church cannot decide on the correct one. I actually encourage you to look at the purposed maps of what America looked like according to the Book of Mormon and you find that it doesn't even look anything like modern day American. I have read and studied everything even down to the hill Commora (Think I spelled it right) itself. Where there should be some 10,000,000 + artifacts, this would include skeletal remains of the two battles (around 2,000,000), if they wore helmets that would give us another 2,000,000, if they wore breastplates - another 2,000,000, if they wore shin guards -another 4,000,000, this does not include the the swords and/or spear heads, arrow heads (if they had archery), or skeletal remains of horses that they said they rode into battle with(Which there is convicting evidences that there were not before the Europeans came over). It seems with this staggering number that there would be at least 1 artifact recovered. And this is just in 2 battles. I haven't even began to explain all the other statements in the Book of Mormon, such as the advanced coin system it states that they used (1 coin is yet to be found), the HUGE Mayan temple like structures they said they build (Actually in the beginning of the Book of Mormon there is supposed to be a very accurate picture of what it looks like- A Mormon that works in the Temple stated that it was an accurate picture). Also where are the Neophites capital Zerhamemla? How about the Lamenite cities? Now, I believe that the Word of God, the Holy Bible, is the fullness of God to man. There has been no other book written that is even close to any other. It has been used to find old cities, actually I believe almost all the cities in the Bible have been found or are still inhabited today. There are detailed maps of the Bible in the Ancient times. And there are some, what most people considered to be advanced science in it. Science that would almost be impossible for any man to achieve at that time. (Such as the 4 "Wind Belts" that circulate the earth.) Please don't take this information as I am trying to "kill" Mormonism or try to smack people in the face, but instead what I am trying to do is put myself in a position as a spectator. My goal is to find the right religion not for me or what I want, but for the sake of getting to heaven. I am sure all of you are, to a certain extent degree agree with this. But it comes down to that there are no 2 truths. And I want to know the what truth is the correct one. And finally I am stating these facts so that if anyone has any objection that I may read into it and in so doing, gain more knowledge. -Shadow

Actually it would, and is exactly why one overrides the other. 1st to explain why they cannot co-exist you will need to understand the meaning and use of each one. The Aaronic Priesthood was given to the Levites to offer sacrifices for the sins of man and to continue in doing so as long as man sinned (Which is indefinite, until Christ comes back). The Aaronic Priesthood had to offer pure sacrifices for the sins, it couldn't just be any thing you wanted. In Beliving this priesthood you would still need to offer the blood sacrifices needed to cover the sins of man according to Moses and the Aaronic Priesthood. To say accept that the Aaronic Priesthood is to still be honored, is to to say that Christ's sacrifice on the cross is not sufficant for your salvation and that you still need the sacrifices of the Aaronic Priesthood to be cleanse of sin. Now this is where the Melchizedek priesthood differs from the Aaronic. Jesus Christ hold's the "new" priesthood and "new" covenant which states that Jesus's pure sacrifice was sufficent for everyone and it is the last and final sacrifice for sin. As for this where in the Bible does it state that? As far as I know it doesn't state anything in the Bible about a Purgatory "like" place unitl Christ comes back. Christ did that when he Died on the Cross. It was called Abraham's Bosum, he let the captives free there. We know this to be true that there is not "holding tank" til Christ comes back because he says to the theif on the cross that he would today be in paradise.