Guest curvette Posted January 31, 2004 Report Posted January 31, 2004 Originally posted by antishock82003@Jan 31 2004, 01:59 AM Tumbaga plates, dear. Okay sweetie. "Tumbaga" plates. Is "Tumbaga" valuable? Is that the stuff that's left over on my Walmart ring when all the gold plate rubs off? It's actually kinda pretty--looks like copper. Quote
Guest antishock82003 Posted February 1, 2004 Report Posted February 1, 2004 Originally posted by curvette+Jan 31 2004, 09:22 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (curvette @ Jan 31 2004, 09:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--antishock82003@Jan 31 2004, 01:59 AM Tumbaga plates, dear. Okay sweetie. "Tumbaga" plates. Is "Tumbaga" valuable? Is that the stuff that's left over on my Walmart ring when all the gold plate rubs off? It's actually kinda pretty--looks like copper. Tumbaga is definitely valuable. It's an alloy of gold and copper (and other stuff if whoever wants to melt stuff together decides to add it to the tumbaga). I think the spaniards smelted/melted (who knows?) gold, silver, and copper together and called it tumbaga.Church apologists love tumbaga because it makes the JS-running-around-in-the-woods-carrying-the-"gold"-plates-story a little more plausible. Oh, and the pre-angel-Moroni-carrying-around-the-plates-all-the-way-up-to-New-York a little more plausible, too. Quote
Snow Posted February 1, 2004 Report Posted February 1, 2004 Martin Harris who had actually lifted the plates (while they were in a box) estimated them to be about 50 pounds. Quote
Guest antishock82003 Posted February 1, 2004 Report Posted February 1, 2004 Originally posted by Snow@Feb 1 2004, 01:47 PM Martin Harris who had actually lifted the plates (while they were in a box) estimated them to be about 50 pounds. Did he see what was inside the box? Quote
Guest bat Posted February 2, 2004 Report Posted February 2, 2004 Our antimormon (yes, they are of satan and are all out to get us and make us leave the one true church) critics often like to throw in our faces that the gold plates given to Joseph Smith by a dead guy named Moroni is implausible because of the immense weight of proposed object.We are all familar with polystyrene, as we use it in our everyday lives. But did you ever stop to consider that the Gold Plates were probably made of polystyrene? Of course you didn't! You need to go get an education (as suggested by Brother Gardner)!Polystyrene is stiff, light, tough, easy to manufacture, easily engravable, and could easily be made to look exactly like real gold. And it is lightweight to boot!Critics might be quick to point out that plastics were unavailable to the Nephites and Lamanites, but if they are going to discredit my super duper apologetic theory based on anachronisms, then they must also concede that the Book of Mormon and the Bible are also false due to anachronisms. And they aren't following Brother Gardner's rules for a scholarly debate if they do so. And that's bad. He's a real scholar, I think.So in conclusion, the gold plates were probably made of a gold colored polystyrene plastic.How do I get my superior and irrefutable apologetic speculation published on FAIR? This is even better than the tumbaga speculation! Yay for me!The above is one of my apologetic defenses that I made up for FAIR to support the gold/tumbaga plates snafu. It's cute and noble to make up "possible explanations" for things that are obviously complete BS to the unbiased observer, but it's nothing more than Ad Hoc speculation, and quite dishonest and misleading, in my opinion. Quote
Snow Posted February 2, 2004 Report Posted February 2, 2004 Originally posted by Snow@Feb 1 2004, 01:47 PM Martin Harris who had actually lifted the plates (while they were in a box) estimated them to be about 50 pounds. Later, I don't know. His guess of 50 lbs was based on lifting the box, the contents of which, he did not see. Quote
Guest antishock82003 Posted February 2, 2004 Report Posted February 2, 2004 Originally posted by Snow+Feb 1 2004, 06:48 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Snow @ Feb 1 2004, 06:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Snow@Feb 1 2004, 01:47 PM Martin Harris who had actually lifted the plates (while they were in a box) estimated them to be about 50 pounds. Later, I don't know. His guess of 50 lbs was based on lifting the box, the contents of which, he did not see. Hmmm...I guess we're assuming that the plates were in the box then? I guess we'd just have to take JS's word for it. Quote
Cal Posted February 3, 2004 Author Report Posted February 3, 2004 A question that may even be more relevant as to JS's credibilty is why did he need these plates at all? There is ample testimony that the "translation" was accomplished by JS sticking his head into his hat in which the "seer" stone was located. The plates just sat there. JS's "revelation" in the Book of Moses was given without any texts at all. It all makes little sense. Quote
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