Snow Posted October 14, 2004 Report Posted October 14, 2004 I am surprized that the party that complained loudly and lengthily in 2000 that every vote should count has sued in the state of Pennslyvania to ensure that people can't vote for the candidate of their choice (Ralph Nader). Okay, Okay, I'm not really surprized. I fully understood that what the Democrats meant that every vote should count if it was a vote for a democrat candidate, not that votes for non-democrates should be counted. Quote
john doe Posted October 14, 2004 Report Posted October 14, 2004 Every vote does NOT count. If I went to vote for a democrat here in Utah, would my vote make a difference?Yes. How else do you account for the Matheson family? One of them is a congressman as we speak, cancelling out a good republican representative's votes in the house. If nothing else, it would help the republicans see where they need to improve their message if more democrats got votes. Quote
Snow Posted October 14, 2004 Author Report Posted October 14, 2004 Originally posted by john doe@Oct 13 2004, 07:11 PM Every vote does NOT count. If I went to vote for a democrat here in Utah, would my vote make a difference?Yes. How else do you account for the Matheson family? One of them is a congressman as we speak, cancelling out a good republican representative's votes in the house. If nothing else, it would help the republicans see where they need to improve their message if more democrats got votes. I always thought Scott Matheson was an honorable man. Your post (on this particular topic) reminds me of the small-minded marmans who complained bitterly when their sons were called to serve their missions under mission president (and democrat) Wayne Owens... as if being democrat (as most Mormons were decades and decades ago, were somehow immoral. Quote
john doe Posted October 14, 2004 Report Posted October 14, 2004 Originally posted by Unorthodox+Oct 13 2004, 10:14 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Unorthodox @ Oct 13 2004, 10:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--john doe@Oct 13 2004, 08:11 PM Every vote does NOT count. If I went to vote for a democrat here in Utah, would my vote make a difference?Yes. How else do you account for the Matheson family? One of them is a congressman as we speak, cancelling out a good republican representative's votes in the house. If nothing else, it would help the republicans see where they need to improve their message if more democrats got votes. Well, didn't Al Gore get more votes (in total) in 2000? If that was supposed to send a message to Bush saying he should be a little less conservative, he sure didn't listen. No, I think voting in Utah is pointless. Even if 49% of Utah voted for Kerry, Bush would consider it a victory and not change his message or actions. Okay, you got me. I agree. You should not vote this coming election day. Stay home. That way when you don't like the way things are going, you can always say "well I didn't vote for that guy, in fact I didn't even bother to vote at all". Quote
john doe Posted October 14, 2004 Report Posted October 14, 2004 Originally posted by Snow+Oct 13 2004, 09:25 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Snow @ Oct 13 2004, 09:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--john doe@Oct 13 2004, 07:11 PM Every vote does NOT count. If I went to vote for a democrat here in Utah, would my vote make a difference?Yes. How else do you account for the Matheson family? One of them is a congressman as we speak, cancelling out a good republican representative's votes in the house. If nothing else, it would help the republicans see where they need to improve their message if more democrats got votes. I always thought Scott Matheson was an honorable man. Your post (on this particular topic) reminds me of the small-minded marmans who complained bitterly when their sons were called to serve their missions under mission president (and democrat) Wayne Owens... as if being democrat (as most Mormons were decades and decades ago, were somehow immoral. Yes, Scott Sr. probably was, I didn't know him, didn't live here then. But his son Jim the congressman, has not impressed me with his voting record. He wants to be the John Kerry of the West. I had my own issues with Wayne Owens, but they did not include worrying about him brain-washing missionaries. To be honest, I have issues with the former republican governor Leavitt and his lame-duck successor, as well. There are a lot of ways that republicans in Utah have got things wrong, but there are also many ways they have gotten it right. Yes, many Mormons were democrats decades ago, dating back to when Brigham Young and others went out and divided them up as such, but in recent decades, they have tended to congregate toward the party that most reflects their value systems. Plus, the democratic party of 50-60 years ago was much different that it is today. Quote
Kevin Posted October 14, 2004 Report Posted October 14, 2004 Originally posted by Snow@Oct 13 2004, 06:49 PM I am surprized that the party that complained loudly and lengthily in 2000 that every vote should count has sued in the state of Pennslyvania to ensure that people can't vote for the candidate of their choice (Ralph Nader).Okay, Okay, I'm not really surprized. I fully understood that what the Democrats meant that every vote should count if it was a vote for a democrat candidate, not that votes for non-democrates should be counted. You may finde the following link interesting. It appears that Nader should not have really been on the ballot in Pennsylvania. It seems that some of his people are getting involved in a little voter fraud. I've often wondered what draw Nader could possibly have on Democrats. Perhaps this has something to do with it.http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2...13/165241.shtml Quote
john doe Posted October 15, 2004 Report Posted October 15, 2004 I think I heard last night that it is now too late. I believe the deadline was a day or so ago. At least now you'll have four more years to decide how to use your next one. Quote
Cal Posted October 15, 2004 Report Posted October 15, 2004 Originally posted by Snow+Oct 13 2004, 08:25 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Snow @ Oct 13 2004, 08:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--john doe@Oct 13 2004, 07:11 PM Every vote does NOT count. If I went to vote for a democrat here in Utah, would my vote make a difference?Yes. How else do you account for the Matheson family? One of them is a congressman as we speak, cancelling out a good republican representative's votes in the house. If nothing else, it would help the republicans see where they need to improve their message if more democrats got votes. I always thought Scott Matheson was an honorable man. Your post (on this particular topic) reminds me of the small-minded marmans who complained bitterly when their sons were called to serve their missions under mission president (and democrat) Wayne Owens... as if being democrat (as most Mormons were decades and decades ago, were somehow immoral. Most mormons were democrats decades and decades ago? You better keep saying decades a while longer! It is more like a century. Quote
Guest TheProudDuck Posted October 15, 2004 Report Posted October 15, 2004 Originally posted by Cal+Oct 15 2004, 06:40 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Cal @ Oct 15 2004, 06:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -Snow@Oct 13 2004, 08:25 PM <!--QuoteBegin--john doe@Oct 13 2004, 07:11 PM Every vote does NOT count. If I went to vote for a democrat here in Utah, would my vote make a difference?Yes. How else do you account for the Matheson family? One of them is a congressman as we speak, cancelling out a good republican representative's votes in the house. If nothing else, it would help the republicans see where they need to improve their message if more democrats got votes. I always thought Scott Matheson was an honorable man. Your post (on this particular topic) reminds me of the small-minded marmans who complained bitterly when their sons were called to serve their missions under mission president (and democrat) Wayne Owens... as if being democrat (as most Mormons were decades and decades ago, were somehow immoral. Most mormons were democrats decades and decades ago? You better keep saying decades a while longer! It is more like a century. I don't have info on party registration, but it looks like the last time Utah voted for a a Democrat candidate for President was 1948:http://presidentelect.org/e1948.html Quote
Snow Posted October 16, 2004 Author Report Posted October 16, 2004 Democrat playbook opened to criticismLeaked page reveals push to use tactic of 'pre-emptive strike'By Peggy Lowe, Rocky Mountain NewsOctober 15, 2004Democrats got caught with their election playbook open Thursday when a leaked page was published urging operatives to lodge a "pre-emptive strike" of claiming voter intimidation, whether it's true or not.Gleeful Republicans quickly called a press conference after the page from The Drudge Report went online, in which they denounced "a new low in gutter politics" that "played the race card."Advertisement"They want to rile up the minorities to denounce tactics that do not exist," said Ted Halaby, chairman of the Colorado GOP.Halaby said it was "a criminal act to falsely allege something that does not exist." He called on the state Democrats to "denounce and renounce" the manual's teachings.But Democrats, who verified as authentic the page from a playbook called "Colorado Election Day Manual: A detailed guide to voting in Colorado," said they must be pro-active to assure that minorities and all others are not scared away from the polls.Sue Casey, head of the Kerry-Edwards Colorado campaign, said the Republicans are also happy to plant a negative story to detract from what reporters should be writing about...http://rockymountainnews.com/drmn/election...3256347,00.html Quote
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