I don't know if i like this.... should i start looking for a new job?

[Dravin]

It is not against church rules to serve someone a cup of coffee, so why refuse to do it?

Maybe I just think it smells bad, maybe because I don't want to? Additionally I don't own any (nor if I moved to the UK or Arabia would I start doing so). Why is their want of me serving them coffee somehow more important than my want to not serve them coffee regaurdless of the reason I don't want to? Because there is more of them? That reeks of argumentum ad populum. Why I don't want to really doesn't matter as to whether I'm pushing my beliefs on them, maybe as to if I'm being rude or not, but not as to whether I'm pushing my beliefs on them. Heck I know people who are butter phobic, I'm not going to insist they purchase and serve me butter, not even going to expect it if I'm aware of their thoughts on the matter, I Can't Believe It's Not Butter is perfectly fine.

I'm seeing this:

Them: Could I get a cup of tea?

Me: No, I don't drink the stuff, religious reasons (though that part doesn't even need to be mentioned). Could I get you something else?

Categorized as pushing my beliefs off on somebody. Now this:

Them: Could I get a cup of coffee?

Me: No, it is a sin, you horrible person you. You are not to touch that stuff ever again. *Yoinks his wallet and rips his Starbucks gift card in half*

Yes, me pushing beliefs and extreme example even. Now this one:

Them: Can I get a cup of coffee.

Me: Sorry, don't have any, don't touch the stuff.

Them: This is freaking England and you will get me a cup of bloody brew you nasty heathen you!

Yes, pushing beliefs, again extreme, though them that time not me.

Now these:

Them: Can I get a cup of coffee.

Me: Oh, I don't have any, would you like a cocoa.

or

Me: Would you like a cocoa or a glass of water?

Them: Could I get a coffee?

Me: Oh, I don't have any coffee, don't drink the stuff. Anything else I could get you?

Them: Nevermind (or Sure).

No beliefs being pushed and polite to boot.

You said "I believe that insisting that I provide you with something I'm morally opposed to is pushing your beliefs on me" is where you have to make an exception when it comes to social norms - they are not pushing their beliefs onto you, it's just what is socially acceptable.

They are pushing the beliefs of society unto me, namely that I should serve them coffee. To the same degree I'm pushing my belief on them that I'm not doing so. And no, I don't have to make an exception.

Its nice to know the nice little old vegitarian lady was pushing her belief of meatlessness on me (omnivourism is the societal norm afterall) when she didn't offer me a steak. If that's pushing your beleifs on people I suppose in the end I can be comfortable with pushing and being pushed on (at least to this small degree), the little old lady was nice company.

LDS members are in the minority, you need to accept this.

If LDS members were the majority not serving them coffee no longer becomes pushing my beliefs off on them, and if they insist I provide them with a cup that then becomes them pushing they're beliefs off on me?

He would not have compromised his own standards in order to do so, but he did accept that there were people who did not necessarily maintain those same standards.

Exactly, and if my standards (for what ever reason) are I don't purchase coffee so I can serve it to people who stop by* I'm not going to compromise them. The question than becomes, was the Savoir pushing his beliefs that there is nothing sinful about eating with publicans off on the pharisees? I suppose in a sense he was, he did tell them they shouldn't have a problem with it, that they as the spiritual leaders of the people should be amongst those who need it most, at least that's the impression I always got.

The interesting thing is I don't think if I maintained I'm not serving them coffee and I don't buy it because I'm too cheap to purchase something I'm not going to use personally people would simply be calling me rude and Scrooge-like , not pushing my beliefs of frugality at them.

* I am not saying this is a church standard, all of us have are own standards completely seperate from the Church, Think of keeping the Sabbath day Holy, I've never seen anyone to agree aside from no shopping or working. One says watch the game, the other says don't. One says play board games with the family don't run off with your friends, another said, sure why not?

[Dravin]

And yes, I think I understand your position. That society has an expectation for me and unless it is a direct commandment from God not to do so that I should do so and not doing so is pushing my beliefs on people. I just don't agree.

I'm curious though why God commanding has anything to do with it, as far as society at large goes they don't think God has told me anything about coffee, so even if the expectation was to actually drink it myself I should just go ahead and do it (from their perspective) and stop having all these quirky ideas and trying to foist them off on them by not participating in they coffee party.

P.S. As to the actual reasons you won't find coffee in my house, one is a bit frugal, I don't drink it, not gonna buy it for random people, and partially the appearance of evil aspect (also 1 Corinthians 8), you won't find a six pack of Bud in my fridge either.

You may or may not agree with that, which is fine, but there it is.

[Stampede]

So, to revive an old thread....

I found out for sure that we will be hosting Mcdonald's Content right alongside Content for hugh Hefner.....

It's not just using Microsoft's silverlight but rather our Datacenter specifically is hosting it..... i really don't like that.