Guest Starsky Posted March 10, 2004 Report Posted March 10, 2004 First of all Brigham Young and John Taylor as well as Joseph Smith stated several times that the millenium was opened and going after Joseph Smith had his first vision.But inorder for the millenium to be in full bloom...we need to come back to the point where we can speak face to face with God...and not rely so heavily upon a prophet...here is a scripture which shows the beginning of the 'prophet' speaking with god for man situation:Exodus 20:18 And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it, they removed, and stood afar off.19 And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die.20 And Moses said unto the people, Fear not: for God is ccome to dprove you, and that his fear may be before your faces, that ye sin not.21 And the people stood afar off, and Moses drew near unto the thick darkness where God was.22 ¶ And the LORD said unto Moses, Thus thou shalt say unto the children of Israel, Ye have seen that I have talked with you from heaven.23 Ye shall not make with me gods of silver, neither shall ye make unto you gods of gold.24 An altar of earth thou shalt make unto me, and shalt sacrifice thereon thy burnt offerings, and thy peace offerings, thy sheep, and thine oxen: in all places where I record my name I will come unto thee, and I will bless thee.25 And if thou wilt make me an altar of stone, thou shalt not build it of hewn stone: for if thou lift up thy tool upon it, thou hast polluted it.26 Neither shalt thou go up by steps unto mine altar, that thy nakedness be not discovered thereon. Quote
DisRuptive1 Posted March 11, 2004 Report Posted March 11, 2004 Are you trying to prove a point? Quote
Guest curvette Posted March 11, 2004 Report Posted March 11, 2004 From what I understand, Satan will be bound during the millenium (and we KNOW that hasn't happened!) Also, it will come after the battle of Armageddon, there will be a world government presided over by Christ, and lots of other things that haven't yet come to pass. I think Brigham Young and John Taylor were secretly smoking the funny weed. Quote
Cal Posted March 11, 2004 Report Posted March 11, 2004 Actually, according to BY we are IN the millenium. He stated that Afro-americans (I'm sure he used a more perjorative term) wouldn't hold the priesthood until the millenium. Either BY wasn't a prophet, or...... Quote
Guest Starsky Posted March 11, 2004 Report Posted March 11, 2004 Originally posted by curvette@Mar 10 2004, 08:07 PM From what I understand, Satan will be bound during the millenium (and we KNOW that hasn't happened!) Also, it will come after the battle of Armageddon, there will be a world government presided over by Christ, and lots of other things that haven't yet come to pass. I think Brigham Young and John Taylor were secretly smoking the funny weed. I would think you all would have heard of this before...First of all...we all bind Satan when we commit to Christ 100%....Secondly...Christ does preside world wide in the hearts of those willing to allow Him to.If you remember right...not everyone will be members...and only the righteous can truly be ruled by Christ.We must prepare the bride(church/members) for the Lord to have the wedding feast...and that is a daily job...It is becoming born again...filled with pure love of Christ.being clothed in charity...is being properly clothed for the wedding feast...which is every sunday for the righteous.The wedding feast is nothing more or less than our being invited to take the Lord's supper with the properclothing..charity...(I can only imagine what you all are going to say...) Quote
Guest Starsky Posted March 11, 2004 Report Posted March 11, 2004 Originally posted by Cal@Mar 10 2004, 10:09 PM Actually, according to BY we are IN the millenium. He stated that Afro-americans (I'm sure he used a more perjorative term) wouldn't hold the priesthood until the millenium. Either BY wasn't a prophet, or...... you are right. Quote
Guest curvette Posted March 11, 2004 Report Posted March 11, 2004 Originally posted by Peace@Mar 10 2004, 11:10 PM (I can only imagine what you all are going to say...) Actually, I like your thoughts on this. It's refreshing to consider scriptural interpretation that is more symbolic than literal. I could never conceive of a world as literally written about in Revelations and I like the way you interpret these things. I still think Brigham Young and John Taylor were both off their rockers though. Brigham Young was a master in the physical realm, but absolutely lacked spirituality IMHO. Quote
Guest lt Posted March 11, 2004 Report Posted March 11, 2004 I think some of the things will happen in a lengthly time over 10-30 year period, what seems like forever to us is only a short time to the lord. So it may not be that the millenium hasn't started, it may just be we have only been in it for 2 secounds of the lords time frame lol Quote
Guest Starsky Posted March 11, 2004 Report Posted March 11, 2004 Originally posted by LaurelTree@Mar 11 2004, 10:19 AM I think some of the things will happen in a lengthly time over 10-30 year period, what seems like forever to us is only a short time to the lord. So it may not be that the millenium hasn't started, it may just be we have only been in it for 2 secounds of the lords time frame lol I agree. If a thousand years is a day...and we have only had the church/millenium going for less than 200 years...So...figuring that for every day in a thousand years is a thousand years...how long will this millenium take???LOLWould that be 365 X 1000 X 1000? Quote
Guest Taoist_Saint Posted March 11, 2004 Report Posted March 11, 2004 Originally posted by Peace@Mar 10 2004, 11:10 PM I would think you all would have heard of this before...First of all...we all bind Satan when we commit to Christ 100%....Secondly...Christ does preside world wide in the hearts of those willing to allow Him to.If you remember right...not everyone will be members...and only the righteous can truly be ruled by Christ. So the prophecies of the Millenium were largely symbolic (or at least can be interpreted in an alternative way).Seems to be compatible with my philosophy...except for the part about "members" being the most righteous.I think its a great idea...But have all the criteria for the Millenium been met...even symbolically?Israel is gathering (The Church is gaining converts and building stakes).But...the wicked have not been destroyed...and no one has been ressurected that we know of. Don't those 2 things have to happen before Christ rules the world? Quote
Cal Posted March 12, 2004 Report Posted March 12, 2004 Originally posted by curvette+Mar 11 2004, 09:07 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (curvette @ Mar 11 2004, 09:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Peace@Mar 10 2004, 11:10 PM (I can only imagine what you all are going to say...) Actually, I like your thoughts on this. It's refreshing to consider scriptural interpretation that is more symbolic than literal. I could never conceive of a world as literally written about in Revelations and I like the way you interpret these things. I still think Brigham Young and John Taylor were both off their rockers though. Brigham Young was a master in the physical realm, but absolutely lacked spirituality IMHO. curvy--some to think of it, I can't say I've ever read one thing by BY that was spiritual, comforting or anything but pompously didactic. Quote
Guest curvette Posted March 12, 2004 Report Posted March 12, 2004 Originally posted by Cal@Mar 11 2004, 07:31 PM I can't say I've ever read one thing by BY that was spiritual, comforting or anything but pompously didactic. Like they told us in Relief Society, "He was the Lion of the Lard!" Quote
Cal Posted March 12, 2004 Report Posted March 12, 2004 Originally posted by curvette+Mar 11 2004, 07:56 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (curvette @ Mar 11 2004, 07:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Cal@Mar 11 2004, 07:31 PM I can't say I've ever read one thing by BY that was spiritual, comforting or anything but pompously didactic. Like they told us in Relief Society, "He was the Lion of the Lard!" Are you sure that wasn't "The Lyin' of the Lard" Quote
Guest Starsky Posted March 12, 2004 Report Posted March 12, 2004 I think he did his best...after all he had a lot of people looking to him for guidance...on a spiritual level. Quote
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