Behunin Posted March 14, 2004 Report Posted March 14, 2004 2 Nephi 12:2 And it came to pass in the last days, when the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills, and all nations shall flow unto it. Why is it that this scripture is only interpreted as the SL temple? (LDS interpretation) I believe it has other meanings. Does anyone else? Quote
Cal Posted March 14, 2004 Report Posted March 14, 2004 Originally posted by Behunin@Mar 14 2004, 02:07 PM 2 Nephi 12:2And it came to pass in the last days, when the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills, and all nations shall flow unto it.Why is it that this scripture is only interpreted as the SL temple? (LDS interpretation)I believe it has other meanings. Does anyone else? Out of context you can interpret it any way you want to. Who knows what was meant by "mountain", "last days","lord's house" and now days "all nations" flow everywhere! Just ask the boarder patrol. Quote
Guest Starsky Posted March 15, 2004 Report Posted March 15, 2004 yeah...mountain means priesthood authority/power. In the tops of the mountains would mean...fulness of priesthood power and authority...Melchezidec comes to mind... so the mountain of the Lord's house (meaning the priesthood power and authority as the foundation of the Lord's house (people)as well as temples... is established in the tops of the mountains...(it's authorized celestial knowledge....fulness of the gospel...and power)...and shall be exalted above the hills (lower laws, authority and priesthoods)....and all nations shall flow unto it..... Quote
DisRuptive1 Posted March 15, 2004 Report Posted March 15, 2004 Or you could always take the passage literally. Quote
Guest Starsky Posted March 15, 2004 Report Posted March 15, 2004 Originally posted by DisRuptive1@Mar 14 2004, 11:35 PM Or you could always take the passage literally. Actually....one night I was listening to a sermon on the Ever Lasting Hills....which referred to the Rocky Mountains...which continued from pole to pole or something like that... Quote
Cal Posted March 15, 2004 Report Posted March 15, 2004 Originally posted by Peace+Mar 14 2004, 11:38 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peace @ Mar 14 2004, 11:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--DisRuptive1@Mar 14 2004, 11:35 PM Or you could always take the passage literally. Actually....one night I was listening to a sermon on the Ever Lasting Hills....which referred to the Rocky Mountains...which continued from pole to pole or something like that... Bottom line is......it could mean anything or nothing. It is too vague for concrete interpretation--particularly without understanding the context and intent of the writer. For example, where is there any information about what he was trying to convey. It's all pure speculation. Quote
Guest curvette Posted March 15, 2004 Report Posted March 15, 2004 Originally posted by Behunin@Mar 14 2004, 02:07 PM Why is it that this scripture is only interpreted as the SL temple? (LDS interpretation)I believe it has other meanings. Does anyone else? I don't understand how anyone could connect this scripture to Salt Lake. The Isaiah quote is preceded by: "The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem." Whatever he was talking about was concerning the Jews (from the tribe of Judah) and takes place in Jerusalem. Most LDS have been proclaimed to be from the tribe of Ephraim. Quote
Cal Posted March 17, 2004 Report Posted March 17, 2004 Originally posted by curvette+Mar 15 2004, 10:38 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (curvette @ Mar 15 2004, 10:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Behunin@Mar 14 2004, 02:07 PM Why is it that this scripture is only interpreted as the SL temple? (LDS interpretation)I believe it has other meanings. Does anyone else? I don't understand how anyone could connect this scripture to Salt Lake. The Isaiah quote is preceded by: "The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem." Whatever he was talking about was concerning the Jews (from the tribe of Judah) and takes place in Jerusalem. Most LDS have been proclaimed to be from the tribe of Ephraim. Right on the point, curvy Quote
Guest Starsky Posted March 18, 2004 Report Posted March 18, 2004 Except we are taught for our day...: 1 Ne. 19: 23 23 And I did read many things unto them which were written in the books of Moses; but that I might more fully persuade them to believe in the Lord their Redeemer I did read unto them that which was written by the prophet Isaiah; for I did liken all scriptures unto us, that it might be for our profit and learning. 2 Ne. 6: 4 4 And now, behold, I would speak unto you concerning things which are, and which are to come; wherefore, I will read you the words of Isaiah. And they are the words which my brother has desired that I should speak unto you. And I speak unto you for your sakes, that ye may learn and glorify the name of your God. 2 Ne. 6: 5 5 And now, the words which I shall read are they which Isaiah spake concerning all the house of Israel; wherefore, they may be likened unto you, for ye are of the house of Israel. And there are many things which have been spoken by Isaiah which may be likened unto you, because ye are of the house of Israel. 3 Ne. 20: 11 11 Ye remember that I spake unto you, and said that when the words of Isaiah should be fulfilled—behold they are written, ye have them before you, therefore search them— 3 Ne. 23: 1 1 AND now, behold, I say unto you, that ye ought to asearch these things. Yea, a commandment I give unto you that ye search these things diligently; for great are the words of Isaiah. Morm. 8: 23 23 Search the prophecies of Isaiah. Behold, I cannot write them. Yea, behold I say unto you, that those saints who have gone before me, who have possessed this land, shall cry, yea, even from the dust will they cry unto the Lord; and as the Lord liveth he will remember the covenant which he hath made with them. Quote
Guest curvette Posted March 18, 2004 Report Posted March 18, 2004 I would take that to mean that these things can be applied to all of Israel unless Isaiah specifies otherwise. When a specific place and people are mentioned, how can it refer to all twelve tribes? Why not just say,"All of Israel"? That just doesn't make any sense. Quote
Guest Starsky Posted March 18, 2004 Report Posted March 18, 2004 I don't know...I find Isaiah extemely beneficial...and if the whole church would follow the counsel...searching Isaiah...we wouldn't be having as many problems as we are having... Quote
Cal Posted March 18, 2004 Report Posted March 18, 2004 Originally posted by Peace@Mar 17 2004, 10:56 PM Except we are taughtfor our day...:1 Ne. 19: 23 23 And I did read many things unto them which were written in the books of Moses; but that I might more fully persuade them to believe in the Lord their Redeemer I did read unto them that which was written by the prophet Isaiah; for I did liken all scriptures unto us, that it might be for our profit and learning.2 Ne. 6: 4 4 And now, behold, I would speak unto you concerning things which are, and which are to come; wherefore, I will read you the words of Isaiah. And they are the words which my brother has desired that I should speak unto you. And I speak unto you for your sakes, that ye may learn and glorify the name of your God.2 Ne. 6: 5 5 And now, the words which I shall read are they which Isaiah spake concerning all the house of Israel; wherefore, they may be likened unto you, for ye are of the house of Israel. And there are many things which have been spoken by Isaiah which may be likened unto you, because ye are of the house of Israel.3 Ne. 20: 11 11 Ye remember that I spake unto you, and said that when the words of Isaiah should be fulfilled—behold they are written, ye have them before you, therefore search them—3 Ne. 23: 1 1 AND now, behold, I say unto you, that ye ought to asearch these things. Yea, a commandment I give unto you that ye search these things diligently; for great are the words of Isaiah.Morm. 8: 23 23 Search the prophecies of Isaiah. Behold, I cannot write them. Yea, behold I say unto you, that those saints who have gone before me, who have possessed this land, shall cry, yea, even from the dust will they cry unto the Lord; and as the Lord liveth he will remember the covenant which he hath made with them. Your quote doesn't say what PARTS of Isaiah could apply to our time. Certainly they don't ALL apply--in fact in context, many couldn't. So how is anyone supposed to know which is which. Pretty confusing. It's all guess work. Quote
Guest Starsky Posted March 19, 2004 Report Posted March 19, 2004 It does have to be given to you by 'revelation'....If you don't have the need...you probably won't see what there is... So not to worry. Quote
Cal Posted March 19, 2004 Report Posted March 19, 2004 Originally posted by Peace@Mar 18 2004, 05:03 PM It does have to be given to you by 'revelation'....If you don't have the need...you probably won't see what there is...So not to worry. Give me an example of something received by "revelation" that couldn't be classified as either too general to be meaningful or specific enough to stand rational scrutiny as something that turned out to be true against insurmountable odds. Quote
Guest Starsky Posted March 19, 2004 Report Posted March 19, 2004 Originally posted by Cal+Mar 18 2004, 09:56 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Cal @ Mar 18 2004, 09:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Peace@Mar 18 2004, 05:03 PM It does have to be given to you by 'revelation'....If you don't have the need...you probably won't see what there is...So not to worry. Give me an example of something received by "revelation" that couldn't be classified as either too general to be meaningful or specific enough to stand rational scrutiny as something that turned out to be true against insurmountable odds. Okay.....the very first chapter of Isaiah...describes wickedness among the people and leaders and their failings. How they are going backwards....which we are emotionally, intellectually, and physically.People who don't forgive, don't make amends for offenses (law suites, killings, abuses......the people do not bind up wounds...cause people to suffer unneedfully....putrified wounds.Next...it says that the whole body from the Head/leaders to the feet/lowest have no soundness in them.... spiritual soundness....this again is speaking to the wicked people and leaders of our day.It states that the heart is faint. Meaning there is no charity, or very little...no one is really being born again and receiving this pure love of Christ to become strong.Later in chapter 3 ...it also tells how the rich grind the faces of the poor....(this where companies make millions/billions off of low paid employees...Well....you see what I was given via revelation one night while reading this chapter....You can choose the chapter and verse in Isaiah...and i can show you how it relates exactly to todays goings on.... Quote
Guest TheProudDuck Posted March 19, 2004 Report Posted March 19, 2004 Peace -- What time in the world's history were the things Isaiah talking about not happening? (Aside from a couple hundred years briefly discussed in 4 Nephi?)Is Isaiah prophesying, or just describing the general human condition? Was there ever a time when people didn't respond to offenses by killing or suing? Was there ever a time when merchants paid for labor more than they absolutely had to? (When you buy something, do you pay more than is asked, just out of the goodness of your heart?) If anything, today's society is far more generous to the poor than ancient Israel was on one of its best days. Quote
Guest Starsky Posted March 19, 2004 Report Posted March 19, 2004 Originally posted by TheProudDuck@Mar 19 2004, 12:59 PM Peace -- What time in the world's history were the things Isaiah talking about not happening? (Aside from a couple hundred years briefly discussed in 4 Nephi?)Is Isaiah prophesying, or just describing the general human condition? Was there ever a time when people didn't respond to offenses by killing or suing? Was there ever a time when merchants paid for labor more than they absolutely had to? (When you buy something, do you pay more than is asked, just out of the goodness of your heart?) If anything, today's society is far more generous to the poor than ancient Israel was on one of its best days. This is true...but this is for those who consider themselves God's people. When they become like the world....the Lord has a prophet call them to repentence...Knowing that all of the things given to us in the BofM was a type of things to come....and that several of the Prophets admonished us to search Isaiah ...so as to be a warning for us today.....Isaiah 1:1 THE vision of Isaiah the son of Amoz, which he saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem in the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah, kings of Judah.2 Hear, O heavens, and give ear, O earth: for the LORD hath spoken, I have nourished and brought up children, and they have rebelled against me.3 The ox knoweth his owner, and the ###### his master’s crib: but Israel doth not know, my people doth not consider.4 A sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of evildoers, children that are corrupters: they have forsaken the LORD, they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto danger, they are gone away backward. Quote
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