Guest bat Posted January 27, 2004 Report Posted January 27, 2004 Originally posted by Peace@Jan 26 2004, 06:37 PM Maybe the sign you will be given in time will match the one given here:Alma 30: 49 49 Now Alma said unto him: This will I give unto thee for a sign, that thou shalt be struck dumb, according to my words; and I say, that in the name of God, ye shall be struck dumb, that ye shall no more have utterance. Peace, We've tried that one on antishock on this board before. It still has not come to pass. Quote
Guest bat Posted January 27, 2004 Report Posted January 27, 2004 Originally posted by Peace+Jan 26 2004, 06:38 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peace @ Jan 26 2004, 06:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -bat@Jan 26 2004, 06:37 PM <!--QuoteBegin--Peace@Jan 26 2004, 06:33 PM But when we present you with 'rock hard' evidence you refute it with your own brand of testimonkey....and we have to be wrong.There have been very educated people put forth very credible evidence and it isn't anygood. I must have missed it. Could you please cite the rock hard evidence for me, so that I may see the error of my ways? Thanks. I think Travelers post about steel is 'rock' hard evidence.... You're kidding, right? Please tell me you are kidding so that I might once again be able to take you seriously. Quote
Guest antishock82003 Posted January 27, 2004 Report Posted January 27, 2004 Originally posted by Peace+Jan 26 2004, 06:38 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peace @ Jan 26 2004, 06:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -bat@Jan 26 2004, 06:37 PM <!--QuoteBegin--Peace@Jan 26 2004, 06:33 PM But when we present you with 'rock hard' evidence you refute it with your own brand of testimonkey....and we have to be wrong.There have been very educated people put forth very credible evidence and it isn't anygood. I must have missed it. Could you please cite the rock hard evidence for me, so that I may see the error of my ways? Thanks. I think Travelers post about steel is 'rock' hard evidence.... Huh? Quote
Guest Starsky Posted January 27, 2004 Report Posted January 27, 2004 Originally posted by antishock82003+Jan 26 2004, 06:38 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (antishock82003 @ Jan 26 2004, 06:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Peace@Jan 26 2004, 06:33 PM I guess you put us in the same catch 22. If we believe ....we have a testimonkey and 'feelings' of our own making...If we can't come up with 'rock hard' evidence that will convince you...then we must be wrong ...and mislead...But when we present you with 'rock hard' evidence you refute it with your own brand of testimonkey....and we have to be wrong.There have been very educated people put forth very credible evidence and it isn't ever good enough for you....and many like you.And this is why the Lord...knowing the hardness of men's hearts, requires 'faith'...which by the way ... is the very essence of your believing you even exist on this planet...and are not just a figment of your own imagination. Without faith....you can't prove that you aren't just in some kind of dream....and can't wake up. What rock hard evidence? Rock hard means it has the properties of a rock...you can see it, touch it, weigh it...and oh yeah...IT EXISTS IN THIS WORLD!!!So, no. You're not in a Catch 22. Please google the phrase so you can increase your glory. I understand perfectly the catch 22...it means that you are thrown into the same place from both points of argument...We can't be right...unless we come up with evidence and yet the evidence is never what you want...We tell you that there must be a spiritual proof for sppiritual things and you say...no no no.....it has to be physical. Yet the God is spiritual and His works are spiritual and you deny all.Well I will pray for you that you receive a sign....like others of your kind....need. Quote
Guest Starsky Posted January 27, 2004 Report Posted January 27, 2004 Originally posted by antishock82003+Jan 26 2004, 06:41 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (antishock82003 @ Jan 26 2004, 06:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -Peace@Jan 26 2004, 06:38 PM Originally posted by -bat@Jan 26 2004, 06:37 PM <!--QuoteBegin--Peace@Jan 26 2004, 06:33 PM But when we present you with 'rock hard' evidence you refute it with your own brand of testimonkey....and we have to be wrong.There have been very educated people put forth very credible evidence and it isn't anygood. I must have missed it. Could you please cite the rock hard evidence for me, so that I may see the error of my ways? Thanks. I think Travelers post about steel is 'rock' hard evidence.... Huh? Oh you missed that one huh? Well I will bring it over here to this thread. Quote
Guest Starsky Posted January 27, 2004 Report Posted January 27, 2004 The early Spanish conquest never took place in the Americas? It is a well-known fact that the Spanish steel of Pre Industrial Ages was the most superior steel of Europe. Central to Spanish military strategy was the development and deployment of steel weapons. Superior steel was their tactical advantage and they would not go into battle without it.There has not been a single Spanish steel military artifact over 350 years old found by any recent excavations in the tropical rain forest of Central and South America. Nor has there been found any foundry for such steel in the Americas. According to the logic of the B of M critics of this forum we must not believe that the Spanish ever fought with or had influence on the Incas and Aztecs because there is no proof of Spanish steel in Central or South America prior to 1650. Two great civilizations arose in the Americas and are called the Pre-Classic and the Classic eras by the Experts. The timing of the rise of these civilizations match the time periods mentioned in the Book of Mormon for the Jaredite and Nephite migrations to the Americas. The evidence of civilizations in the Americas of these civilizations indicates that the technology of both the Pre-Classic and the Classic eras are most like the Eastern Mediterranean societies than any other society on earth for the same time periods.Some points to consider.Point 1: In the entire history of the world the rise of or major change based on technological improvement in a civilization has always occurred with the migration of people.Point 2: It is not unreasonable to assume that migrations originate from a place where same technology introduced into a new place already existed.Point 3: Since the publication of the Book of Mormon there has not been a reasonable counter theory stand for more than 50 years for the migrations of peoples to the Americas to account for the Pre-Classic and the Classic eras.Point 4: Proof and evidence is useless without proper interpretation or understanding. For example, for most of the 20th Century it was believed that dinosaurs were cold blooded reptilian related creatures. Now they are said to be warm-blooded creatures more closely associated to birds, not because the evidence has changed so drastically but because the interpretation of the evidence has drastically changed.Point 5: If you are going to come to an LDS forum and indicate that you are open to new ideas but that you are convinced that critics of the B of M are right on with their assessment of the Book of Mormon you better be prepared to prove you concepts are based on a much more reasonable theory. If you claim there is no evidence of the Book of Mormon you are wrong and indicate a strong lack of propensity to comprehend or deal with any artifact supportive of the Book of Mormon. Just to show my open mind – I would love to hear theories for the triggers of the Pre-Classic and Classic Eras of Civilization in the Americas that have stood as well as the Book of Mormon for the last 170 years.It appears to me that since the publication of the B of M that there have been excuses given not to accept or even consider the B of M as valid. Each time evidence has been discovered that indicates a B of M critic has made an irrational claim or jumped to conclusions the critics have simply moved to another claim jumping to another conclusion. The lack of some particular evidence is proof of absolutely nothing. If it is such a crime to lack conclusive proof of something then where is the conclusive proof of the critics?Final Point: The Book of Mormon and the Bible are to be used together to give witness that Jesus is the Christ – the Son of G-d. If you believe in one and not the other I would like to know why? Every argument that I have heard to believe in one, I find supports believing in the other. Every argument I find presented to not believe in one is just as valid not to believe the other. You are all welcome to believe whatever you want and make any excuse for your belief you want. But for me, I find the excuses against the B of M exactly that, excuses for the historical and present unkindness toward LDS most often displayed as an unwillingness to consider our point of view – even on an LDS forum. The Traveler  Quote
Guest antishock82003 Posted January 27, 2004 Report Posted January 27, 2004 Originally posted by Peace+Jan 26 2004, 06:42 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peace @ Jan 26 2004, 06:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -antishock82003@Jan 26 2004, 06:38 PM <!--QuoteBegin--Peace@Jan 26 2004, 06:33 PM I guess you put us in the same catch 22. If we believe ....we have a testimonkey and 'feelings' of our own making...If we can't come up with 'rock hard' evidence that will convince you...then we must be wrong ...and mislead...But when we present you with 'rock hard' evidence you refute it with your own brand of testimonkey....and we have to be wrong.There have been very educated people put forth very credible evidence and it isn't ever good enough for you....and many like you.And this is why the Lord...knowing the hardness of men's hearts, requires 'faith'...which by the way ... is the very essence of your believing you even exist on this planet...and are not just a figment of your own imagination. Without faith....you can't prove that you aren't just in some kind of dream....and can't wake up. What rock hard evidence? Rock hard means it has the properties of a rock...you can see it, touch it, weigh it...and oh yeah...IT EXISTS IN THIS WORLD!!!So, no. You're not in a Catch 22. Please google the phrase so you can increase your glory. I understand perfectly the catch 22...it means that you are thrown into the same place from both points of argument...We can't be right...unless we come up with evidence and yet the evidence is never what you want...We tell you that there must be a spiritual proof for sppiritual things and you say...no no no.....it has to be physical. Yet the God is spiritual and His works are spiritual and you deny all.Well I will pray for you that you receive a sign....like others of your kind....need. His works are spiritual? I thoughy your god created the earth? And rocks. Hard stuff. Which presents hard evidence of its own existence. Can you now prove that your god created all this non-spiritual stuff? Quote
Guest Starsky Posted January 27, 2004 Report Posted January 27, 2004 Originally posted by antishock82003+Jan 26 2004, 06:45 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (antishock82003 @ Jan 26 2004, 06:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -Peace@Jan 26 2004, 06:42 PM Originally posted by -antishock82003@Jan 26 2004, 06:38 PM <!--QuoteBegin--Peace@Jan 26 2004, 06:33 PM I guess you put us in the same catch 22. If we believe ....we have a testimonkey and 'feelings' of our own making...If we can't come up with 'rock hard' evidence that will convince you...then we must be wrong ...and mislead...But when we present you with 'rock hard' evidence you refute it with your own brand of testimonkey....and we have to be wrong.There have been very educated people put forth very credible evidence and it isn't ever good enough for you....and many like you.And this is why the Lord...knowing the hardness of men's hearts, requires 'faith'...which by the way ... is the very essence of your believing you even exist on this planet...and are not just a figment of your own imagination. Without faith....you can't prove that you aren't just in some kind of dream....and can't wake up. What rock hard evidence? Rock hard means it has the properties of a rock...you can see it, touch it, weigh it...and oh yeah...IT EXISTS IN THIS WORLD!!!So, no. You're not in a Catch 22. Please google the phrase so you can increase your glory. I understand perfectly the catch 22...it means that you are thrown into the same place from both points of argument...We can't be right...unless we come up with evidence and yet the evidence is never what you want...We tell you that there must be a spiritual proof for sppiritual things and you say...no no no.....it has to be physical. Yet the God is spiritual and His works are spiritual and you deny all.Well I will pray for you that you receive a sign....like others of your kind....need. His works are spiritual? I thoughy your god created the earth? And rocks. Hard stuff. Which presents hard evidence of its own existence. Can you now prove that your god created all this non-spiritual stuff? Yet you refute those as 'rock' hard evidence....LOL you can't have it both ways... Quote
Guest bat Posted January 27, 2004 Report Posted January 27, 2004 Originally posted by Peace+Jan 26 2004, 06:42 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peace @ Jan 26 2004, 06:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -antishock82003@Jan 26 2004, 06:38 PM <!--QuoteBegin--Peace@Jan 26 2004, 06:33 PM I guess you put us in the same catch 22. If we believe ....we have a testimonkey and 'feelings' of our own making...If we can't come up with 'rock hard' evidence that will convince you...then we must be wrong ...and mislead...But when we present you with 'rock hard' evidence you refute it with your own brand of testimonkey....and we have to be wrong.There have been very educated people put forth very credible evidence and it isn't ever good enough for you....and many like you.And this is why the Lord...knowing the hardness of men's hearts, requires 'faith'...which by the way ... is the very essence of your believing you even exist on this planet...and are not just a figment of your own imagination. Without faith....you can't prove that you aren't just in some kind of dream....and can't wake up. What rock hard evidence? Rock hard means it has the properties of a rock...you can see it, touch it, weigh it...and oh yeah...IT EXISTS IN THIS WORLD!!!So, no. You're not in a Catch 22. Please google the phrase so you can increase your glory. I understand perfectly the catch 22...it means that you are thrown into the same place from both points of argument...We can't be right...unless we come up with evidence and yet the evidence is never what you want...We tell you that there must be a spiritual proof for sppiritual things and you say...no no no.....it has to be physical. Yet the God is spiritual and His works are spiritual and you deny all.Well I will pray for you that you receive a sign....like others of your kind....need. Well since 6 billion people have all experienced the exact same "spiritual proof" except for me and antishock, I don't see how we can possibly deny it now. What fools we have been! Quote
Guest Starsky Posted January 27, 2004 Report Posted January 27, 2004 Originally posted by bat+Jan 26 2004, 06:47 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bat @ Jan 26 2004, 06:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -Peace@Jan 26 2004, 06:42 PM Originally posted by -antishock82003@Jan 26 2004, 06:38 PM <!--QuoteBegin--Peace@Jan 26 2004, 06:33 PM I guess you put us in the same catch 22. If we believe ....we have a testimonkey and 'feelings' of our own making...If we can't come up with 'rock hard' evidence that will convince you...then we must be wrong ...and mislead...But when we present you with 'rock hard' evidence you refute it with your own brand of testimonkey....and we have to be wrong.There have been very educated people put forth very credible evidence and it isn't ever good enough for you....and many like you.And this is why the Lord...knowing the hardness of men's hearts, requires 'faith'...which by the way ... is the very essence of your believing you even exist on this planet...and are not just a figment of your own imagination. Without faith....you can't prove that you aren't just in some kind of dream....and can't wake up. What rock hard evidence? Rock hard means it has the properties of a rock...you can see it, touch it, weigh it...and oh yeah...IT EXISTS IN THIS WORLD!!!So, no. You're not in a Catch 22. Please google the phrase so you can increase your glory. I understand perfectly the catch 22...it means that you are thrown into the same place from both points of argument...We can't be right...unless we come up with evidence and yet the evidence is never what you want...We tell you that there must be a spiritual proof for sppiritual things and you say...no no no.....it has to be physical. Yet the God is spiritual and His works are spiritual and you deny all.Well I will pray for you that you receive a sign....like others of your kind....need. Well since 6 billion people have all experienced the exact same "spiritual proof" except for me and antishock, I don't see how we can possibly deny it now. What fools we have been! Actually 1/3 the host of heaven were in the same group as you two are....It is a fact they these 1/3 were even in the very presence of God and still didn't make it..:Matt. 7: 14 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Quote
Guest antishock82003 Posted January 27, 2004 Report Posted January 27, 2004 Originally posted by Peace+Jan 26 2004, 06:46 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peace @ Jan 26 2004, 06:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -antishock82003@Jan 26 2004, 06:45 PM Originally posted by -Peace@Jan 26 2004, 06:42 PM Originally posted by -antishock82003@Jan 26 2004, 06:38 PM <!--QuoteBegin--Peace@Jan 26 2004, 06:33 PM I guess you put us in the same catch 22. If we believe ....we have a testimonkey and 'feelings' of our own making...If we can't come up with 'rock hard' evidence that will convince you...then we must be wrong ...and mislead...But when we present you with 'rock hard' evidence you refute it with your own brand of testimonkey....and we have to be wrong.There have been very educated people put forth very credible evidence and it isn't ever good enough for you....and many like you.And this is why the Lord...knowing the hardness of men's hearts, requires 'faith'...which by the way ... is the very essence of your believing you even exist on this planet...and are not just a figment of your own imagination. Without faith....you can't prove that you aren't just in some kind of dream....and can't wake up. What rock hard evidence? Rock hard means it has the properties of a rock...you can see it, touch it, weigh it...and oh yeah...IT EXISTS IN THIS WORLD!!!So, no. You're not in a Catch 22. Please google the phrase so you can increase your glory. I understand perfectly the catch 22...it means that you are thrown into the same place from both points of argument...We can't be right...unless we come up with evidence and yet the evidence is never what you want...We tell you that there must be a spiritual proof for sppiritual things and you say...no no no.....it has to be physical. Yet the God is spiritual and His works are spiritual and you deny all.Well I will pray for you that you receive a sign....like others of your kind....need. His works are spiritual? I thoughy your god created the earth? And rocks. Hard stuff. Which presents hard evidence of its own existence. Can you now prove that your god created all this non-spiritual stuff? Yet you refute those as 'rock' hard evidence....LOL you can't have it both ways... Honey,The rock is rock hard evidence of its own existence. I'm simply asking you to provide proof that you "spiritual god" who creates "spiritual things" created the rocks...that we can see, and touch, and weigh. Maybe a different example would help?A crime scene is proof that a crime occurred. It is not always proof of WHO committed the crime. A rock is proof that a rock exists. It doesn't prove who or what created it. If a cop asserted that "Joe Blow" committed the crime, the BURDEN OF PROOF is on him to find evidence inside or outside of the crime scene to certify his assertion. The fact that a rock exists doesn't prove that your god created it, or Mithra, or Zeus, etc...However, since you're the one making an ASSERTION the burden of proof is on you. YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS. You can't plausibly say that your god made the rock, but then say that there's no proof, and that is proof unto itself. So. Which is it? Is your god physical, or spiritual? Because that is what we have to work with...the parameters of your assertion. Quote
Guest bat Posted January 27, 2004 Report Posted January 27, 2004 Originally posted by Peace+Jan 26 2004, 06:50 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peace @ Jan 26 2004, 06:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -bat@Jan 26 2004, 06:47 PM Originally posted by -Peace@Jan 26 2004, 06:42 PM Originally posted by -antishock82003@Jan 26 2004, 06:38 PM <!--QuoteBegin--Peace@Jan 26 2004, 06:33 PM I guess you put us in the same catch 22. If we believe ....we have a testimonkey and 'feelings' of our own making...If we can't come up with 'rock hard' evidence that will convince you...then we must be wrong ...and mislead...But when we present you with 'rock hard' evidence you refute it with your own brand of testimonkey....and we have to be wrong.There have been very educated people put forth very credible evidence and it isn't ever good enough for you....and many like you.And this is why the Lord...knowing the hardness of men's hearts, requires 'faith'...which by the way ... is the very essence of your believing you even exist on this planet...and are not just a figment of your own imagination. Without faith....you can't prove that you aren't just in some kind of dream....and can't wake up. What rock hard evidence? Rock hard means it has the properties of a rock...you can see it, touch it, weigh it...and oh yeah...IT EXISTS IN THIS WORLD!!!So, no. You're not in a Catch 22. Please google the phrase so you can increase your glory. I understand perfectly the catch 22...it means that you are thrown into the same place from both points of argument...We can't be right...unless we come up with evidence and yet the evidence is never what you want...We tell you that there must be a spiritual proof for sppiritual things and you say...no no no.....it has to be physical. Yet the God is spiritual and His works are spiritual and you deny all.Well I will pray for you that you receive a sign....like others of your kind....need. Well since 6 billion people have all experienced the exact same "spiritual proof" except for me and antishock, I don't see how we can possibly deny it now. What fools we have been! Actually 1/3 the host of heaven were in the same group as you two are....It is a fact they these 1/3 were even in the very presence of God and still didn't make it..:Matt. 7: 14 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Let me guess. You have a book that says so, and that makes it true, because you believe that it is true. Quote
Paul Osborne Posted January 27, 2004 Report Posted January 27, 2004 I'm sooo tired tonight and I'm going to bed. Hi Bat! Goodnight everyone. Be nice. Paul O Quote
Guest antishock82003 Posted January 27, 2004 Report Posted January 27, 2004 Circular Reasoning is the Bestest!! I have friend named Bob...oh yeah...we did this one before...never mind... Quote
Guest bat Posted January 27, 2004 Report Posted January 27, 2004 Originally posted by Paul Osborne@Jan 26 2004, 06:54 PM I'm sooo tired tonight and I'm going to bed. Hi Bat! Goodnight everyone. Be nice. Paul O Hi Paul! Good to see you. :) Quote
Guest Starsky Posted January 27, 2004 Report Posted January 27, 2004 Originally posted by bat+Jan 26 2004, 06:39 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bat @ Jan 26 2004, 06:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Peace@Jan 26 2004, 06:37 PM Maybe the sign you will be given in time will match the one given here:Alma 30: 49 49 Now Alma said unto him: This will I give unto thee for a sign, that thou shalt be struck dumb, according to my words; and I say, that in the name of God, ye shall be struck dumb, that ye shall no more have utterance. Peace, We've tried that one on antishock on this board before. It still has not come to pass. Well you do have to be pretty high on the 'Lord's list' to get that kind of sign...otherwise we would have a huge number of 'dumb' guys walking around...Of course there is another kind of 'dumb' that could be a sign for all of us believers...LOLI think we see quite a bit of it here among the anti's. It is called spiritual blindness...drunkeness....confounded reasoning....lack of faith or belief in the power of faith. Quote
Guest bat Posted January 27, 2004 Report Posted January 27, 2004 Originally posted by Peace+Jan 26 2004, 07:17 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peace @ Jan 26 2004, 07:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -bat@Jan 26 2004, 06:39 PM <!--QuoteBegin--Peace@Jan 26 2004, 06:37 PM Maybe the sign you will be given in time will match the one given here:Alma 30: 49 49 Now Alma said unto him: This will I give unto thee for a sign, that thou shalt be struck dumb, according to my words; and I say, that in the name of God, ye shall be struck dumb, that ye shall no more have utterance. Peace, We've tried that one on antishock on this board before. It still has not come to pass. Well you do have to be pretty high on the 'Lord's list' to get that kind of sign...otherwise we would have a huge number of 'dumb' guys walking around...Of course there is another kind of 'dumb' that could be a sign for all of us believers...LOLI think we see quite a bit of it here among the anti's. It is called spiritual blindness...drunkeness....confounded reasoning....lack of faith or belief in the power of faith. Oh no, he once said "###### Jesus". If that didn't do it, NOTHING will. Stop hardening your heart to the simple and obvious truth. I'll even "translate" a scripture that says so, if it will help to convince you. Quote
Guest Starsky Posted January 27, 2004 Report Posted January 27, 2004 Originally posted by bat+Jan 26 2004, 07:20 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bat @ Jan 26 2004, 07:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -Peace@Jan 26 2004, 07:17 PM Originally posted by -bat@Jan 26 2004, 06:39 PM <!--QuoteBegin--Peace@Jan 26 2004, 06:37 PM Maybe the sign you will be given in time will match the one given here:Alma 30: 49 49 Now Alma said unto him: This will I give unto thee for a sign, that thou shalt be struck dumb, according to my words; and I say, that in the name of God, ye shall be struck dumb, that ye shall no more have utterance. Peace, We've tried that one on antishock on this board before. It still has not come to pass. Well you do have to be pretty high on the 'Lord's list' to get that kind of sign...otherwise we would have a huge number of 'dumb' guys walking around...Of course there is another kind of 'dumb' that could be a sign for all of us believers...LOLI think we see quite a bit of it here among the anti's. It is called spiritual blindness...drunkeness....confounded reasoning....lack of faith or belief in the power of faith. Oh no, he once said "###### Jesus". If that didn't do it, NOTHING will. Stop hardening your heart to the simple and obvious truth. I'll even "translate" a scripture that says so, if it will help to convince you. Like I said...confounded...LOL Quote
Guest bat Posted January 27, 2004 Report Posted January 27, 2004 Maybe you can persuade god to use her magic powers on him then. Quote
Guest Starsky Posted January 27, 2004 Report Posted January 27, 2004 Originally posted by bat@Jan 26 2004, 07:25 PM Maybe you can persuade god to use her magic powers on him then. Yeah I could....but then I would have to take the responsibility for that decision...wouldn't I....It must be up to God to decide how HE will use HIS powers....ultimately.I think it better to pray that God will have mercy on all those who see not. Quote
Guest bat Posted January 27, 2004 Report Posted January 27, 2004 Originally posted by Peace+Jan 26 2004, 07:46 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peace @ Jan 26 2004, 07:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--bat@Jan 26 2004, 07:25 PM Maybe you can persuade god to use her magic powers on him then. Yeah I could....but then I would have to take the responsibility for that decision...wouldn't I....It must be up to God to decide how HE will use HIS powers....ultimately.I think it better to pray that God will have mercy on all those who see not. Can't do it, eh? I'm shocked. Really. Quote
Guest Starsky Posted January 27, 2004 Report Posted January 27, 2004 Originally posted by bat+Jan 26 2004, 07:52 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bat @ Jan 26 2004, 07:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -Peace@Jan 26 2004, 07:46 PM <!--QuoteBegin--bat@Jan 26 2004, 07:25 PM Maybe you can persuade god to use her magic powers on him then. Yeah I could....but then I would have to take the responsibility for that decision...wouldn't I....It must be up to God to decide how HE will use HIS powers....ultimately.I think it better to pray that God will have mercy on all those who see not. Can't do it, eh? I'm shocked. Really. Really? Shocked? Why? Quote
Guest bat Posted January 27, 2004 Report Posted January 27, 2004 Originally posted by Peace+Jan 26 2004, 07:54 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peace @ Jan 26 2004, 07:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -bat@Jan 26 2004, 07:52 PM Originally posted by -Peace@Jan 26 2004, 07:46 PM <!--QuoteBegin--bat@Jan 26 2004, 07:25 PM Maybe you can persuade god to use her magic powers on him then. Yeah I could....but then I would have to take the responsibility for that decision...wouldn't I....It must be up to God to decide how HE will use HIS powers....ultimately.I think it better to pray that God will have mercy on all those who see not. Can't do it, eh? I'm shocked. Really. Really? Shocked? Why? I can't tell you. It's sacred. Quote
Guest Starsky Posted January 27, 2004 Report Posted January 27, 2004 Originally posted by bat+Jan 26 2004, 07:55 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bat @ Jan 26 2004, 07:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -Peace@Jan 26 2004, 07:54 PM Originally posted by -bat@Jan 26 2004, 07:52 PM Originally posted by -Peace@Jan 26 2004, 07:46 PM <!--QuoteBegin--bat@Jan 26 2004, 07:25 PM Maybe you can persuade god to use her magic powers on him then. Yeah I could....but then I would have to take the responsibility for that decision...wouldn't I....It must be up to God to decide how HE will use HIS powers....ultimately.I think it better to pray that God will have mercy on all those who see not. Can't do it, eh? I'm shocked. Really. Really? Shocked? Why? I can't tell you. It's sacred. <span style=\'color:red\'><span style=\'font-family:Optima\'>ROFL!</span> Quote
Guest antishock82003 Posted January 27, 2004 Report Posted January 27, 2004 Peace, I've tried to get various Priesthood members to use their priesthood against me, and when push comes to shove there's a lot of blustery huffle-puffing, but they don't produce the goods. Please use your perceived power of your god against me. PLEASE. When you do, please do the following: 1) Let me know what you requested from your god. 2) Please use a timeline of some sort so we don't get caught up in the "Lord's time" because Lord knows the Lord's time is very mysterious. 3) If possible, please do the cursing yourself. Or get your husband to do it. Or Snow. I'd like Snow to curse me. I bet he could vex the heck out of the best of 'em! What ever you do, don't get Proud Duck to do it. He scares the heck out of me. Oo. What about Paul? Paul would be Grrrrrr-eat! Quote
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