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Can you share the relevant scriptures and how you reconcile James 1:5-6 please? Thanks.
this excerpt says it best:
James 1:5 was written to those who already were Christians, not to those seeking to become Christians or seeking to find truth in a book. This verse has been taken out of context. The context of James is clear when James 1:1 is read: "James, a bond-servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes who are dispersed abroad, greetings."
This is obviously written to those who are Jewish Christians scattered abroad. They already knew the truth of the Word of God. James instructs them to ask for wisdom from God.
Wisdom is the proper use of knowledge and truth. We need wisdom to know what to do in certain situations. If you receive counsel that is contrary to the Word of God, then it is obviously false. All counsel must be in agreement with the Bible. Nowhere in God's Word does it instruct us to pray about a book to see if it true. This leads us to the next point.
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I know a prophet is necessary because Christ says it is necessary.
Because of the way I feel when I hear or read his words.
He is accountable to God. Yes, that would include God's word.
Because (to my sorrow) I have experienced the consequence of my evil acts. Without exception, I have always been warned against those things by a prophet of God. That is how I distinguish the difference. When I read or listen to the prophets words, I feel peace and unity. When I stray from that, I feel alone and not at peace.
"The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it?" (Jer. 17:9).
The Holy Spirit Bears witness of Jesus (John 15:26) and Jesus sends the Holy Spirit (John 15:26).
If your Jesus is not the same Jesus as the Bible, then couldn't we also conclude that the "spirit" being encountered is not the same "Holy spirit" as in the Bible?
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Only God can reveal to us "a correct idea of his character, perfections, and attributes".
That is what I am saying. God HIMSELF has revealed it to me.
I don't know why He reveals Himself differently to other people. I can't get into their heads and experience the feelings and emotions they are feeling.
All I know is my own experience.
The Book of Mormon "feels good and right" to me. That is a big reason why I feel the LDS Faith is unique and alone in the correctness of its doctrines. The Book of Mormon is the KEY.
The Bible tells us our hearts are deceptive, and we cannot rely on our "feelings"
How do you think Satan will decieve many of "Gods people" as it states in the Bible? Don't you think it would be using our own untrustworthy feelings?
Im seriously asking because I imagine his DECEPTION would be so that it might appear to be "good"?
Just as you said, you do not know how he reveals himself differently to others, is it possible not everyone who claims a divine revelation in fact actually had a divine revelation?
What about all those other religions? They all claim divine revelation too
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His character as can be supported by the Bible: He is a man, glorified and exalted and of flesh and bone. He has a body as we do, only perfect. We are still mortal. He is immortal. Those are the physical characteristics.
Please support them
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yes we both agree he exists, we both have faith in that, but then again so do Muslims.
Thats why Joseph went on to say that our salvation is also dependant on "A correct idea of his character, perfections and attributes"
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1835 Doctrine & Covenants (D&C) Joseph Smith further said,
2 Let us here observe, that [three things are necessary, in order that any rational and intelligent being may exercise faith in God unto life and salvation.
3 First, The idea that he actually exists.
4 Secondly , A correct idea of his character, perfections and attributes
I agree with these.
We both agree on the first one, the second is of paramount importance, and indeed as Joseph stated our very salvation is dependant on.
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All I can speak to is what I believe, personally. That might be why you get so many different opinions.
I will say that if anyone claiming to be LDS has told you they don't believe in the foundational truth that the Godhead are three seperate beings -- then that person is not acquianted with our actual beliefs. I can say that much is true of the LDS Faith.
I did get that impresion from a few posts so I have been trying to understand the real LDS beliefs here...
I guess that is the ONE THING that people don't understand who are investigating our beliefs so thoroughly and candidly as you are.
I don't believe the things I do because I have been convinced logically or in any other way other than GOD HIMSELF has revealed it to me. THAT is the reason I believe the way I do. THAT is how I came to these ultimate conclusions about the Godhead.
My question is, if you do not have a firm foundation of truth as the Bible claims to be, then how do you know that a prophet is nessessary?
How do you know that he speaks the truth?
What is he held accountable to? The Word of God?
Joseph claims to reconcile his beliefs with the Bible, so obviously he saw it as an important thing to do, and he recognized the Bible's authority.
If God himself has revealed this to you, my question is how do you know it is really not what the Bible warns about that false teachings can come from satan disguised as an "angel of light" and further, the teaching in the Bible that we are not to trust our hearts or feelings of truth but rather to test them against the word?
I do not mean to offend you with the question, but respectfully, I must ask.
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But Skalen, Joseph smith said in the above quote, that "the first principle of the gospel is to know for a certainty the charachter of God"...
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This quote From Joseph Smith is what i am trying to investigate, show me from the Bible
...."for I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see. These are incomprehensible ideas to some, but they are simple. It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the Character of God, and to know that we may converse with him as one man converses with another, and that he was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ himself did; and I will show it from the Bible. (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345; Journal of Discourses, 6:3)."
He said it can be shown from the Bible, that's all I'm trying to see...
If you feel this was taken grossly out of context please feel free to post the full context and where it changes the meaning of this excerpt...
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I guess I should have qualified my statements, especially the first line. The Bible as we understand it supports our doctrines, which are based on further revelations than what our prophets of old have revealed. My apology.
Ok, i understand that part, but then my question becomes, is the Bible the authoratative means to knowing a true prophet?
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xan:
LDS Theology says that God, The Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost, are all seperate and distinct beings...one in purpose, yes, but not ONE combined being. The Father and the Son have bodies of flesh and bone.
That is our stance. Where is your confusion?
How many ways can we say the same thing? Obviously you do not agree. Obviously we are not going to convince you otherwise. Obviously you are not going to change our minds.
Just trying to get to the bottom of this.
I am trying to reconcile this belief with the Bible since all LDS people I have spoken with claim they believe in the Bible, and that The Bible supports this.
There have been a lot of thigs said, none of them have been the same.
Since I believe and you believe that Jesus is of central importance, can we not look together at what the scriptures say about him?
I think this is a wonderful conversation, with all parties giving respect and further enlightenment. If you are not enjoying it, remember, you do not have to read it
I'm not trying to change your mind Tom, I'm having a conversation about how your mind came to these ultimate conclusions.
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Ok the website contains nothing that isn't in Latter Day Saint theology.
Again, this confuses me, some say yes, some say no.
I was warned when I posted an excerpt that I am not allowed to post things contrary to the teachings of the LDS church.
Can someone please better explain that?
I think maybe you did not notice all the links to different subjects?However I personally found it cold and devoid of Jesus Christ really - this is why I just looked it and thought yeah I believe that but didn't see the real Jesus in it.
For me Jesus is above all else, saviour, lord, confidante, always there, my brother, my protector, friend, guide the qualities that come to mind first are mercy, love, great listener, sense of humour and fun, excitable at times, wise, strong and beautiful - long before I start thinking about who He has been for eternity its who He is to me now that is more important. To see it laid out like that with cold hard facts rather than love is like looking at his medical or government records or a potted biography of the Queen.
When I think about Jesus/Jehovah in the scriptures and who He is I don't think of those scriptures as much as the stories about Him - I also feel the site downplayed His humanness on Earth in Latter Day Saint theology He was fully God but also fully human. And that makes the New Testament more powerful to know He suffered as we do - it makes my relationship stronger.
In the New Testament when I think of who Jesus is in scripture the following come to mind - working with his Dad as a carpenter (I love that picture of Jesus and Joseph working together), teaching in the Temple at 12, standing upto Satan in the wilderness, His love and respect for small children, calling Zacheuus out of the tree, His baptism and Heavenly Father's parental love and pride, saving the wedding at Cana by turning water into wine, His obvious love and friendship with His apostles, sitting with Mary and Martha, helping the woman about to be stoned, clearing the Temple and his anger at His Father's House being mistreated, His loneliness when the apostles slept in Gethsemane, His fear, but ultimately giving His will entirely to the Father, healing the sick and the soldiers ear, remembering His Mum on the cross and forgiving the soldiers, His glorious resurrection coming quietly to Mary M that scene for me is so powerful. I think of Him returning to Earth with His arms open wide more than anything I want a hug and a blessing I am excited about that.
In the Old Testament when I think of Jehovah - I think of Him with Adam and Eve in the garden, in the Burning Bush, helping Noah build the Ark, Guiding Israel, My favourite is the story of Gideon and the cloth. And Jael and the tent peg - the Talking Donkey (now that shows His Humour)
In the Book of Mormon I love the story of the Brother of Jared, helping but at the same time teaching Him reliance, the same with the Nephites, the way He guided Nephi is amazing, His appearence and sermons to the Nephites.
To me this teaches me far more about Who our Lord and Saviour is than individual scriptures it is His personality and this is how we can recognise Him when He calls.
The scriptures also teach us through stories how to recognise Satan because his personality is described. I was fortunate I was given the Bible story tapes from the Jehovah's Witnesses when I was a child, and whilst I may not believe everything their religion teaches I am very greatful for the way they taught me to study the Bible I listened to the stories everynight going to bed and have come full circle I used to quote scripture a lot as I know my Bible and my Book of Mormon quite well, but then I learned the stories teach us more without contention than picking individual scriptures I find it sad that in discussions the stories that are so amazing and beautiful get lost when just a verse is picked out. The stories are what give us context and teach us not what Jesus is but WHO Jesus is, which really is more important, because we can comprehend WHO He is but really we can't comprehend WHAT. Below I have included some pictures that for me are who Jesus is.
When I think of the Father - I think of the beauty around me, and His love reflected in the world around us, and I think of His parental pride in the Saviour and I want that for me, I want Him to be proud of me too.
When I think of the Holy Ghost I think of John 14:27 and of peace and wisdom because it is through Him the Saviour teaches me and guides me
When I think of the Godhead together the Baptism of Jesus and Joseph Smith's vision are what I see the Baptism is particularly beautiful as in it you see Heavenly Father's parental love, the Saviour's submitting to the Father's will, his friendship with and respect of John the Baptist and setting the example for us and the Peace and guidance of the Holy Ghost. As I grow I realise all stories are a shadow of things to come and love the image of Noah and the dove leading the people out of the water and onto a new life. And this to me is where the Bible evidence for Joseph Smith, the apostasy and church begin to come in when you see the cycles and patterns in the scriptures. The Word of God is Jesus, and the scriptures come from Him - the Bible for me is one source of knowledge of the Word of God
This to me is the nature of God
-Charley
Personally I think it is JUST as important to know the nature of Jesus today, and understand who we worship. After all, our very lives depend on that right
Jesus' nature as divine is pertinent to who I worship. Scripture is ALL about him, from the old testament propheseys to the new testament revelation, it is ALL about him, therefore it is in my personal best interest to study everything scripture says about him, because the very fact that it talks the amount it does about WHO Jesus is, in and of itself is a testimony to the importance of that understanding.
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This may have already been said, and I know that you already understand this xan, but in my mind it bears reminder for us all.
The LDS understanding of the nature of God does NOT come from the Bible. Joseph Smith reported that he saw and visited with our heavenly Father, and with the Son of God, our Savior, Jesus Christ.
This was confusing to me, thank you for clarifying. I have heard repeatedly that it in fact does so now I understand your understanding of God comes from LDS doctrine and NOT the Bible, thank you for clarifying that.
I believe this report. So, then, when I then go to read the Bible then I see all the verses that both you and Skal have taken a great deal of effort to present, and I see them through the lense of believing what Joseph Smith said happened to him. No Bible (or Book of Mormon for that matter) verse is going to violate -- for me and for most (?) LDS -- that immediate experience had by a prophet of God in these modern days. I am going to read all scripture about the nature of God as needing to go hand in hand with what was seen and heard on that day in the Sacred Grove, and understood in that context.
I am not ashamed of this lense of belief. :) It brings me a great deal of relief that I do NOT have to rely on an ancient text only, albeit definitely a godly one, but that I can have that ancient text and the interpretations of what it must mean be confirmed and enlightened by a more recent experience by a prophet.
Well, xenli, it is certainly your perogative to believe whatever you want
I will submit to you this: God never changes, therefore his word would be as true today as it was when written. If the Bible is true and was "breathed upon" by God -as the derivitive word "inspired" means, as it claims, then I believe it's worth a look at what it actually says vs. what something else says. But alas, this is my personal conviction in my spirit to earnestly seek out the truth in all things.
That experience in the Sacred Grove teaches me that there are two men, one is the Son and one is His Father. It teaches me they look like men, like the bodies of men (rather that we are created in THEIR image). It teaches me that they answer prayer; that they speak to men (prophets); that they love us and that they (as Father and Son) love each other (the Father and the Son love each other! :) ). It teaches me that they are glorious and full of light. It teaches me that they are involved still in the personal and collective matters of men (their children). It teaches me that they know what they want in a church/ organization and are completely capable of organizing what they want in the present as they have in the past. It teaches me that they are One God because they have one work and one power and the Son represents the Father. They have one 'face' as they deal with their children on this earth. The Son does what the Father would do.
Since I do believe that God did visit Joseph Smith in the manner that Joseph said they did, then I know all of these things, and I can now recognize similar experiences of other men (prophets) as recorded in scripture (skal and you both presented them, with differing interpretations); and other descriptions given of the nature of God -- Father and Son -- in scripture become clearer to me as well, at least according to a belief and faith that I hold and have come by not by any means that I would take for granted, but by my own prayer, study and direct personal revelation, and by the experience of living daily life and receiving the fruits of my faith.
I have no interest in convincing you that I am right in my belief, xan. I have no interest in telling you that you are wrong. In fact I actually don't think you are wrong. About all I could say is that you are learning and God is teaching you; the same as I could say that I am learning and God is teaching me. We each will continue on this journey of faith until we understand perfectly, if not in mortality, well then in eternity, and perhaps it will be something more than either of us could have conceived of as we perceive through a glass darkly at the moment. :) I believe that I will be in the presence of my Father in heaven and in the presence of my Redeemer in eternity, and I daresay I will see you there too. :)
Xanali, I respect your religious beliefs, I seek to better understand them as I have from the beginning as to why you believe in the Bible but then in some occasions do not. Some say they believe it as much as the BOM? I admit I am still a little bit confused, but I am confident this conversation will help with that.
And I appreciate you taking the time to help me better understand you :)
This particular conversation was started to better understand where you get your basic beliefs about God. Some have claimed they are in the Bible, and I just thought at a minimum that claim deserved a good look
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I see one more trouble for Trinitarianism. Did Jesus have a spirit body? (Luke 24:39) It does not say Jesus found his spirit form was different from that of other spirits. It is problematic to say they are one in essence if their was a personage of spirit in the Trinity. The creedal idea of God is based on the idea that vast differences existed between creature and creator.
One illustration in my Understanding The Trinity book compared Jesus to a sample of moon rock. In Jesus would be a tiny bit of God like the sample of the moon would be a tiny bit of the moon. But that God is bigger than can fit into Jesus body. So he allows us to sample what God is like.
Here is some clarificationon that Biblically said much better than I ever could...quoted from "The oneness of God":
"John 1 beautifully teaches the concept of God manifest in flesh. In the beginning was the Word (Greek, Logos). The Word was not a separate person or a separate god any more than a man's word is a separate person from him. Rather the Word was the thought, plan, or mind of God. The Word was with God in the beginning and actually was God Himself (John 1:1). The Incarnation existed in the mind of God before the world began. Indeed, in the mind of God the Lamb was slain before the foundation of the world (I Peter 1:19-20; Revelation 13:8).
In Greek usage, logos can mean the expression or plan as it exists in the mind of the proclaimer - as a play in the mind of a playwright - or it can mean the thought as uttered or otherwise physically expressed - as a play that is enacted on stage. John 1 says the Logos existed in the mind of God from the beginning of time. When the fulness of time was come, God put that plan in action. He put flesh on that plan in the form of the man Jesus Christ. The Logos is God expressed. As John Miller says, the Logos is "God uttering Himself." [10] In fact, TAB translates the last phrase of John 1:1 as, "The Word was God Himself." Flanders and Cresson say, "The Word was God's means of self disclosure"
Also, I think this is a better answer to a-trains' question: again from "the oneness of God":
"In His divine nature, however, Jesus is a Spirit; for Romans 8:9 speaks of the Spirit of Christ. In His divinity, Jesus was and is omnipresent. For example, in John 3:13 Jesus referred to "the Son of man which is in heaven" even though He was still on earth. His omnipresence explains why He could say in the present tense while on earth, "Where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them" (Matthew 18:20). In other words, while the fulness of God's character was located in the human body of Jesus, the omnipresent Spirit of Jesus could not be so confined. While Jesus walked this earth as a man, His Spirit was still everywhere at the same time.
Jesus is also omniscient; for He could read thoughts (Mark 2:6-12). He knew Nathanael before He met him (John 1:47-50). He knows all things (John 21:17), and all wisdom and knowledge are hidden in Him (Colossians 2:3).
Jesus is omnipotent; He has all power, is the head of all principality and power, and is the Almighty (Matthew 28:18; Colossians 2:10; Revelation 1:8).
Jesus is immutable and unchanging (Hebrews 13:8). He is also eternal and immortal (Hebrews 1:8-12; Revelation 1:8, 18). "
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Here is where modalism and even trinitarianism gets into trouble: the body of Jesus. If the Father has no body but the Son does have a body, then They are physically seperate. If the Father and the Son are one Being, if Jesus is His own Father, then He (the Father) has a body.
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If the FATHER is spirit that is omnipresent, why would a spirit need to exist physically seperate?
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Only those of God have seen the Father.
John 6: 46
46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.
This verse proves my point skalen
here it is another way... "No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father. " ( John 6:46, NIV)
That is describing instances where people have seen God, the son.
Ex. 24: 9-11
9 ¶ Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel:
10 And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness.
if we look in the Septuagint version we read the following:
"And they saw the place where the God of Israel stood."
When I have more time I will look into this further.
Ex. 33: 11
11 And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.
Moses did not see God's face, read further in that chapter- the use of "face to face" was to put it into human terms. Joshua was also there but he never left the tent, he remained inside while Moses went out to talk with the LORD to be in His presence, but did not look into His face.
For God when he passed by Moses covered Moses' face so he would not die.
Ex 33:23 "Then I will take My hand away and you shall see My back, but My face shall not be seen."
Since God is omnipresent, He can manifest Himself to different people in different places at any time.
Gen. 32: 30
30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.
Jacob’s “seeing” God as he wrestled with an angel .... He wrestled from night until daybreak with a heavenly being and eventually said: “I have seen God face to face.” He did not see God but instead witnessed a manifestation of God
The Hebrew term “face” has often the meaning of “presence.” like in the psalm, where it says, “Enter his presence with singing,” (Ps. 100:2) the original would read literally, “Come before his face with singing”; and “seek his presence continually” (Ps. 105:2) would be “seek his face.”
Again you must search scripture in it's entirety to get an answer to these questions.
I would reccommend a Strongs Conc. to look up original language whenever possible. Also keep in mind full context, here again the full context shows you he was wrestling with a manifestation of God.
Only those of God could see God. Even though God was a spirit, He still had a body, only not of flesh and blood. He was still corporeal in nature and not invisible. Our spirits are finer matter, for lack of a better term.
(cont....)
I disagree with this Biblically. If this is your belief from the BOM, I respect it but it cannot be reconciled with the Bible.
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You're right. Our religion isn't based solely on that verse. But you gotta admit, it is reasonable to say that when the children of Israel heard a voice come from Heaven when Christ was baptized, the voice came from someone other than Christ, who was coming up out of the water down here on earth. For the sake of argument, this is a reasonable statement.
About Jesus going to the desert to be tempted of the devil, I submit to you that no righteous man or woman seeks out temptation.
Right Skalen
I meant that, I used the wrong word, I was focused on the other matter.stay focused!
In this case it would also be reasonable to argue the point that God is omnipresent and since Jesus was God manifest in the flesh then it would not be difficult for the Spirit (that is omnipresent) of Jesus to speak from heaven and to send a manifestation of His Spirit in the form of a dove
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yeah, i agree that will be better :)
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Yes, we believe that Jesus is God, He is the Father and the Son as you believe and as I have so far read in your web page. We also believe that He has a Father in Heaven. There are also scriptures to support this, such as when Christ was baptized and a voice came from heaven saying, "This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased".
I don't see this as concrete proof, certainly not a verse to base a religion on.
I personally see it as more of a reason to study the word and see what else the Bible says about the Nature of God. God being omnipresent and omnipotent, could certainly do anything, even encourage the physical manifestation of himself, especially since right after that Jesus went to the desert to be tempted by the devil.
Also when Stephen was martyred in the New Testament, he saw Christ and God, His Father, before he died.
This verse says that Stephen saw the "glory of God" and Jesus at the right hand of the father- Not that he actually saw a distinct person that was God.
What do you say to the other verses that say that No man has seen the father (John 1:18)
such as-- "NO man has seen God at anytime" (John 1:18; I John 4:12).
--God "The Father," is a Spirit and as such is invisible (Colossians 1: 15; I Timothy 1:17; Hebrews 11:27).
Stephen did not see two Gods... He did not say, "I see Jesus standing beside God." The term, "right hand of God" is from Exodus 15:6-- Moses and the Israelites claimed to have "seen the right hand of God." But God is a Spirit with neither right nor left hand; what they saw was a manifestation of God's power and glory. As an Israelite, Stephen knew what "the right hand of God" meant. He saw the Son of Man in power and glory.
Also in John chapter 17 when Christ offers His intercessory prayer to His Father He prayed that his disciples would be one also as Christ and the Father were one. That was also to mean one in unity and purpose (man's salvation). Verses 20-23 more specifically:
John 17: 20-23
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
I do not see how that verse proves that they are seperate personages?
When there is a confusing verse, you must search the rest of scripture to clear up the confusion. The FULL weight of scripture must be applied. There is nowhere in those verses where it states there are two or more gods. These instances, ilbeit difficult to understand, in no way prove a 2 or more god theory.
So we believe that Christ is Jehovah and our Father, but we also believe that Christ has a Father in Heaven and that they are two separate and distinct personages.
Is that belief based on these scriptures alone?
What about all the other scrupture I quoted on the other page?
this is interesting though, thanks for discussing your beliefs with me :)
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I too love Isaiah :)
Let me ask you, did you finish my post in the apology thread? Can you tell me what you disagree with?
Or Maybe z-todd can?
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In the page I just posted in the Apology thread?
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Good point. Let's make this thread about Jesus being God and Jehovah. Is that ok xanmad or you can start a new thread?
done :)
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I posted int the apology thread my beliefs about God/Jesus
I'm not going to repost them here because I was warned that they are opposed to LDS teachings therefore they really should't have been posted.
Can you clarify the points that are opposed to lds teachings? and why?
P.S. I looove to talk religion, I am loving but I am also blunt in my delivery, please do not read my lack of emotion as anything other than my attempt to discuss things without hurting feelings :)
Thank you for everyones love and honest answers in posts past, I would love to build friendship with you all through good, honest, thought provoking conversation, thank you!
PSS--I would also like to stay on point if we can thanks :)
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Xan-i have a suggestion for you. Why don't you post a short post with a few top of your questions for us? Instead of debating back and forth let everyone as a group simply work on answering your original question post. That way it won't be as a chaotic, or contentious of a discussion.
I really hate you to leave the discussions here.
to leave them in this thread?
The Nature of God
in Christian Beliefs Board
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see my above post, I disagree Biblically
I agree these are a few ways, and I agree your church is not immune
How do you know which is which?
First of all, God never says to pray about truth. He says to search the Scriptures to find truth (Acts 17:11; 2 Tim. 3:16).
so then if what you feel contradicts the Bible, then what you feel is wrong, is it not?
Why are you supposed to pray about the B.O M to see if it is true?
The Bible says to study God's word for truth, not pray about it.