Fiannan
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Gotta disagree with you Jason -- one has to investigate motives of writers as an aspect of source criticism (one of the foundations of analysis). If someone writes an article about intelligence being higher in whites than in blacks, and you find out that beyond his PhD in neuropsychology he is a grand wizard in the KKK, would you trust his work is objective?
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I heard a town in Iowa claims to be the future birthplace of James T. Kirk.
Has anyone been to Wall Drug? Now that's a tourist trap -- complete with what, a thousand roadside signs?
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Serious, if a person is a devout fundamentalist in the LDS perspective of the word, are they on the same path as people in the regular LDS faith? I mean, yes, they are apostates in a sense (although they don't see it that way) and some might question them on that -- but doesn't that mean Emma Smith is in their same predicament then?
In a sense this has been debated in a non-Mormon manner for centuries. Some Christians believe Jews will go to Heaven while others say no way. Even Muslims debate on if Jews and Christians can make it to Heaven as they reject the Koran but still believe in the same God of Islam.
Mormon fundamentalists believe the Church has gone astray. They also believe in the same four books of scripture as the LDS Church and in the words of the same prophets (well, at least Smith, Young and Taylor).
Just throwing this out so see what people think although it's all in God's hands anyway.
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And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God
gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not
convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication,
wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate,
deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God,
despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to
parents, 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural
affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32 Who knowing the judgment of God,
that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do
the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.”
-- Romans 1: 28-32
Romans? I thought this was Ann Coulter's description of modern-day Democrats!
Just kidding, my wife is a big fan of Coulter and she has a spyware program on the computer (teenagers at home you know).
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Unless you are willing to take the chance that when your daughter marries she will be a virgin, and her husband will be too, then my suggestion is that such an immunization would be justified. I have three daughters and I will bring them up believing in the law of chastity 100%. Does that mean they will follow it? Hope so. And if they do how can I make sure their future husbands are going to follow the same commandments? Some of the most devout Mormons I know are converts, or reactivated, and took part in some pretty nasty lifestyles until the Goispel made an impact in their lives. What if your daughter meets a wonderful return missionary who, when he was 16, had sex with an infected female? This issue transcends morality -- it's a public health issue and must be seen in such a context.
The bishop asked me to find out what they wanted to know so they would not just yawn though a video on masturbation.
Winnie, what kind ov videos do they have in your stake?????? I was not aware such films existed except for late night on European cable networks. -
I think this is more of a free agency issue. Abel was innocent and doing what God wanted him to do but Cain still knocked his brains out. Bad things happen to good people -- that's just the way it is.
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Glad to see with agree again on an issue -- doesn't happen all the time but...
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Seriously, if any daughter of mine ever dicided on a mission, and was asked to go to South Africa, I'd be all over that in no time flat and demand that my daughter resign from that call.
South Africa is the rape capital of the world -- especially due to the strange myth many HIV infected men down there have that having sex with a virgin female (of any age -- including babies) will cure you of AIDS.
If a woman wants to go there on a mission then that's her business, but nobody from my family.
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Am I actually hearing people right here? What kind of parent would not get their daughter immunized for this family of virus? I think someone is on the verge of child agbuse if they would turn down this vaccination!!!
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A few early Christian writers questioned or even opposed the sphericity of the Earth on theological grounds, but these writers are not thought to have been influential in the Middle Ages due to a scarcity of references to their work in medieval writings. The dominant textbooks of the Early Middle Ages supported the sphericity of the Earth. Even before the translation of the works of Aristotle and Ptolemy in the 1100s, the geocentric model had supplanted any doubts about the Earth's sphericity in the minds of the learned people of Europe.
Jason, I generally do not like quoting Wikipedia but the URL you supplied gave this information. Seems that not many Christians supported the idea that the world was flat. Urban legends die hard though.
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One wonders, since so many kids are medicated out of their minds in the United States (ritalin you know) one wonders if families that do give spankings when their kids are unruly have as much of that "ADHD" thing going on.
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That is true. I knew a family in Sweden (well, they lived there -- his native country, not hers -- until they just couldn't survive the taxes and prices) and he was a train operator. Almost all of the train/subway personnel there have had what they call a jumper -- a person who ends their life by jumping in front of a train.
Every country has its problems and its good points. I would rather follow the good examples rather than the bad.
In fiarness, Sweden's educational system is far superior to the USA because they have a voucher system -- something President Bush gives good lip service to. Mexicans have a superior family identification ethic and tend to place family before materialism. I could go on and on.
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FWIW, I tried out your religion many years ago. The LDS are among the most outwardly kindest and helpful people I have come to know. But there were an awful lot of people like yourself who obviously didn't want people like me in your religion. Didn't fit the mold. And you know what? You usually get your way (it wasn't why in my case but it was with my ex). They leave..... and you then folks such as yourself often get superior by blaming it on them.
Why did you not fit the mold? I certainly am not the "average" Mormon, but I get along. I do say it is true that if you are different in some ways it can epset people. So what? Suppose people would freeak out a bit if J.Golden Kimble or Porter Rockwell came back to life and came into a testimony meeting to adress the audience?
Mormons aren't perfect -- heck most of them cannot even follow the spirit of the Word of Wisdom and work off some of the lard on their behinds a bit more. But if they were perfect they would wind up like Enoch. So this life is a learning experience, not an accident of evolution, and we have to allow for some people to be jerks -- maybe they can't help it, or maybe they'll mature past it in a few years.
We have to forgive them too -- not let them drive us from the Lord's church.
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If some "youth" tried beating up a guy in Texas, I can't help wondering if they would end up having a shootout, with 10 people dead, instead of one.
A family I knew a few years back heard a prowler in the backyard early in the morning. The wife was alone except for a 12 gage. She opened the main door (leaving the screen still latched) and pulled back the lever mechanism loading the shells (forgive me, I think you know what I mean if I'm getting any terminology wrong). The prowler (or who knows what the guy had on his mind) immediately flew over the tall fence. The sound alone did the trick.
If you had a gun (concealed weapons permit) and didn't do anything to help a guy being beaten to death I believe you could face felony charges in the state I am from. Many states have "good Samaritain" laws which might also apply if you did not have a weapon and did nothing.
Such laws would greatly confound most Europeans since the state does not want you to interfere. I don't think we want that to happen here.
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Excuse me sgallan, but this is just not the case:
Now that is funny. With this sort of "don't fool me with the facts because I can make stuff up to prove my point" type thing I can say virtually anything, and it's every bit as credible as anything you might have to say. It is the perfect debate position. You cannot win nor lose because nothing is real or unreal..... it is all just made up in the mind of the debators position.
Oh I guess I know nothing about Sweden, having lived there for many years, having a wife from the country and children with US/Swedish-EU citizenship. Guess I am just making things up. Did you know that cops won't go into large sections of Malmo (Sweden's third largest city) unless responding to an emergency call -- and that had better be quite an emergency? I have walked the streets of St. Petersberg and Moscow many times at all hours of the night but I would never go into that Swedish city after dark. Much of Paris is the same way and apparently Belgium has some problems as well.
But, alas, I'm probably making all this up as well.
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In speaking of Michael Moore PC states:
Despite his rhetoric, he is American too.
Yeah, and so are 300 million others. I hope you don't actually believe his rhetoric though.
A friend of mine (liberal at that) let me borrow his book "Michael Moore is a Big Fat Stupid White Man". A must read.
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Suppose Michael Moore has armed security?
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So CaptianTux, you see no connection to guns and a mob kicking an innocent man to death? Let them try that stuff in Texas and they'd look like one of those Tom and Jerrys where Tom gets into it and then drinks a glass of water and the water leaks out of him through all the holes. And there is plenty of connection to a population that has been taught to be passive and let the state do everything for them. Sheep, Borg call it what you like -- it's the ultimate goal of left-wing liberalism.
And Sgallen, don't buy into the idea that Europe has less crime. In Sweden you can have someone trying to break your door down, call the police, and they never appear. No appearance, no report to file, no crime.
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The Belgian state is no longer able to guarantee the security of its citizens. On Saturday afternoon Guido Demoor, a 54-year old Flemish train conductor on his way to work, was kicked to death by six “youths” on a crowded bus near Antwerp’s Central Station. The incident recalls the rush-hour murder ten weeks ago of Joe Van Holsbeeck, 17 years of age, in a crowded Brussels Central Station on 12 April.
Guido Demoor, a father of two, intervened when six “youths” got on bus 23 in Antwerp and began to intimidate passengers. There were some forty people on the bus. Demoor asked the “youths” to calm down, whereupon they turned on him, savagely beating and kicking the man. At the next stop thirty passengers fled the bus. The thugs kept beating Demoor. They then pulled the emergency brake and jumped from the bus leaving their victim to die.
Three Moroccans, two of whom are minors, were arrested today. The website of the Dutch paper De Stentor reports tonight that a fourth suspect, believed to be the ringleader, fled into a shop as the police were poised to arrest him. He managed to escape from the shop when dozens of “youths” came to his rescue. Witnesses had described the culprits as immigrant youths of between 18 and 21 years of age. During the weekend the police had called for witnesses as only four people had come forward. The police offered the witnesses absolute confidentiality and promised not to reveal their identities. “Obviously people fear reprisals,” Gazet van Antwerpen wrote today.
Belgians do not have a constitutional or legal right to bear arms, not even purely defensive arms such as peppersprays. With the police and the government failing to protect law-abiding citizens the latter are, however, totally unprotected. Saturday’s murder has shocked bus drivers and train conductors, but they stress that they are not in the least surprised. Violence on public transport has become a fact of life.
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1130
Note, in most of Europe (western) you are not allowed to own a gun to defend yourself. In Sweden a woman cannot even own peperspray to defend herself from rape. Just remember this story when you hear a gun grabber say that the only people who should be able to carry a gun are cops and the military.
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Interesting, another newbie with all kinds of difficult questions. Or am I just the suspicious sort?
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President Spencer W. Kimball taught:
Generally when we speak of the Word of Wisdom, we are talking about tea, coffee, tobacco, and liquor, and all of the fringe things even though they might be detrimental are not included in the technical interpretation of the Word of Wisdom. I never drink any of the cola drinks and my personal hope would be that no one would. However, they are not included in the Word of Wisdom in its technical application. I quote from a letter from the secretary to the First Presidency, "But the spirit of the Word of Wisdom would be violated by the drinking or eating of anything that contained a habit-forming drug." With reference to the cola drinks, the Church has never officially taken any attitude on this at but I personally do not put them in the class as with the tea and coffee because the Lord specifically mentioned them [the hot drinks]…. I might say also that strychnine and sleeping pills and opium and heroin are not mentioned in the Word of Wisdom and yet I would discourage them with all my power. (The Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, p.202)
President Heber J. Grant taught:
I am not going to give any command, but I will ask it as a personal, individual favor to me, to let coca-cola alone. There are plenty of other things you can get at the soda fountains without drinking that which is injurious. The Lord does not want you to use any drug that creates an appetite for itself. (Conference Report, April 1922, p.165)
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Shouldn't the United States be held to a higher standard than a bunch of terrorist thugs?
That depends, doesn't it? I'll bet that if a terrorist cell were raided and it was found that the members were going to shoot a stinger missile at an airplane your daughter was on you would be in favor of any sort of torture required to get the captured members to tell where the would-be murderers were at so they could be terminated.
And if we had to hire a group of head-hunters from the local Iraqi population to bring us the murderers of our servicemen then so be it.
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Israel would be great to visit. Turkey is a beautiful country (been there for a short time) and I would like to go back -- it's the only Muslim country I would feel safe visiting. I would also like to visit Cuba and Vietnam in the not-so-distant future.
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Gulliani stands no chance. Many social-issue conservatives vote Republican on issues that concern the family (abortion, marriage, etc.) and they would either vote Democrat or not at all if a liberal Republican ran.
The best ticket for the Republicans would be a McCain/Romney ticket.
Winnie, what kind ov videos do they have in your stake?????? I was not aware such films existed except for late night on European cable networks.
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Seems ironic doesn't it? If you investigate the guests on Jerry Springer they are pretty much legit.