Fiannan
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The family I illustrated in the beginning of this thread must have a mother who loves and sacrifices for them.
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If a man didn't want just ME, then he wouldn't be worth wasting my time on.
You seem to confirm Freud's view that our marriage relationship is merely a projection of needs created when we were 4-6 years of age. Your husband therefore represents your father (and one would assume at the age of 4 you want everything for yourself).
Perhaps the people who CAN and WISH to practice plural marriage are not as attached to that particular stage of life and can progress. To be able to live in such an environment requires a spirit not focused on the self and focused more on the community you have created.
Also, bizabra, you list your religion as humanist. I would then assume that you must leave all issues of "morality" and what is "right and wrong" up to the individual. So you must have no problems with polygamy being allowed as an option for those wishing to participate in it.
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Deuteronomy 21: 15-17
21:15
If a man have two wives, one beloved, and another hated, and they have born him children, both the beloved and the hated; and if the firstborn son be hers that was hated:
21:16
Then it shall be, when he maketh his sons to inherit that which he hath, that he may not make the son of the beloved firstborn before the son of the hated, which is indeed the firstborn:
21:17
But he shall acknowledge the son of the hated for the firstborn, by giving him a double portion of all that he hath: for he is the beginning of his strength; the right of the firstborn is his.
"And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things."
2 Samuel 12:8.
So, uh...who blessed David with his WIVES?
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Matthew 25:1-13
"Then the kingdom of heaven shall be likened to ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. Now five of them were wise, and five were foolish. Those who were foolish took their lamps and took no oil with them, but the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. But while the bridegroom was delayed, they all slumbered and slept. And at midnight a cry was heard: 'Behold, the bridegroom is coming; go out to meet him!' Then all those virgins arose and trimmed their lamps. And the foolish said to the wise, 'Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.' But the wise answered, saying, 'No, lest there should not be enough for us and you; but go rather to those who sell, and buy for yourselves.' And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding; and the door was shut. Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, 'Lord, Lord, open to us!' But he answered and said, 'Assuredly, I say to you, I do not know you.' Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming."
So...?
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http://www.startribune.com/stories/1526/5783040.html
Okay, I myself do see the hypocracy of feminism. When I went to college a popular men's magazine advertised for young women wanting to pose on their pages. Feminists protested. Yes, they had the audacity to protest. These same feminists would probably say a woman has the right to sleep with another woman or, if she does stoop so low as to have sex with a man, and gets pregnant, she should be allowed to have an abortion. But pose naked for male (and I suppose a significant number of female) readers? How horrible.
However, it is interesting that 60s/70s era feminism (your body, your rights) has evolved into stripping, porn and other "female expressions of self-empowement". Gotta admit, this article does bring up some interesting points.
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Mongol conquests -- 40 million dead. Was this religiously motivated?
Also, please try to back up the claim that Christianity has been the force for killing more people than any other religion.
How many have died at the hands of atheism?
How many have died at the hands of Islam?
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Islamic perspective:
Let's now tackle the important question of polygamy. Polygamy is a very ancient practice found in many human societies. The Bible didn't condemn polygamy. To the contrary, the Old Testament and Rabbinic writings frequently attest to the legality of polygamy. King Solomon is said to have had 700 wives and 300 concubines (1 Kings 11:3) Also, king David is said to have had many wives and concubines (2 Samuel 5:13).
The Old Testament does have some injunctions on how to distribute the property of a man among his sons from different wives (Deut. 22:7). The only restriction on polygamy is a ban on taking a wife's sister as a rival wife (Leviticus 18:18).
The Talmud advices a maximum of four wives [12]. European Jews continued to practice polygamy until the sixteenth century. Oriental Jews regularly practised polygamy until they arrived in Israel where it is forbidden under civil law. However, under religious law which overrides civil law in such cases, it is permissible [13].
What about the New Testament? According to Father Eugene Hillman in his insightful book 'Polygamy reconsidered'," No where in the New Testament is there any explicit commandment that marriage should be monogamous or any explicit commandment forbidding polygamy" [14].Moreover, Jesus hasn't spoken against polygamy though it was practiced by the Jews of his society. Father Hillman stressed the fact that the church in Rome banned polygamy in order to conform to the Greco-Roman culture (which prescribed only one legal wife while tolerating concubinage and prostitution). He cited St. Augustine, "Now indeed in our time, and in keeping with Roman custom, it is no longer allowed to take another wife" [15].
African churches and African christians often remind their European brothers that the Church's ban on polygamy is a cultural tradition and not an authentic Christian injunction.
The Quran, too, allowed polygamy, but not without restrictions:
"If you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, marry women of your choice, two or three or four; but if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with them, then only one" (4:3).
The Quran, contrary to the Bible, limited the maximum number of wives to four under the strict condition of treating the wives equally and justly.
It should not be understood that the Quran is exhorting the believers to practice polygamy, or that polygamy is considered as an ideal. In other words, the Quran has "tolerated" or "allowed" polygamy, and no more, but why? Why is polygamy permissible or allowed? The answer is simple, there are places and times in which there are compelling reasons for polygamy. Islam as a universal religion suitable for all places and all times couldn't ignore these compelling reasons.
In most human societies, females outnumber males.
1. In the U.S. there are, at least, eight million more women than men.
2. In a country like Guinea there are 122 females for every 100 males.
3. In Tanzania, there are 95.1 males per 100 females [16].
What should a society do towards such unbalanced sex ratios?
http://www.themodernreligion.com/women/w_c...rison_full2.htm
Very interesting and intelligent perspective on polygamy.
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Because it is politically incorrect to bash Catholics and Jews nowadays. Mormons are considered a legitimate target. When Mormon numbers grow (along with economic and political clout) anti-Mormons will, for the most part, ignore Mormons altogether out of fear of social condemnation.
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My understanding is that traditional Jewish thought on the commandment to be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth meant just that -- one son and one daughter is not even replacement in real terms, much less multiplication.
Here's some sites that might show what traditional Jewish life patterns were like (and are like for the orthodox believers):
http://www.somethingjewish.co.uk/articles/...ul_and_mult.htm
http://www.birthsource.com/scripts/article.asp?articleid=60
http://www.angelfire.com/ca2/NipponDawn/torah.html
Strange, Protestant Christian thought was pretty much in concensus on the desirability to raise large families and avoid birth control until the general secularization of Protestantism in the mid 20th. Century.
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Leaders of Russia, Sweden, Spain, Italy, Japan, Singapore, South Korea, Germany, Australia, Estonia, and even former Fed chairman Alan Greenspan have warned of dangerous consequences if birthrates don't rise.
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I believe what Jesus was referring to was that children naturally accepted him -- so in a sense he was talking of children in a universal form.
By offending, the traditional interpretation has been to harm the child -- and in a manner that I believe would be considered criminal -- not feed him so much sugar that he looks like the fat boy on "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory".
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Mark 9:42 And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.
So would Jesus actually condemn our criminal justice system for not allowing execution for adults who rape children?
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Because if a family can make it with 17 it is an inspiration to those who question being able to make it with 4 or 5 or even more.
I do not have 17 kids, but I respect this family for doing so.
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He murdered 4 people in cold blood.
The blood would have been warm at the time of the murder.....
Eew, sgallan I cannot even believe you would say such a thing.
Taoist Saint, I understand what you are saying, but I will note that Jesus never actually condemned the use of the death penalty -- just its use as a method to punish someone for sins that the persons holding the rocks had actually taken part in themselves. I do not believe Arnold or any member of the California criminal justice system that sentenced Tookie has ever committed murder.
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Well, funkyfool416 should not be burnt at the stake. She's more than welcome to post here and all. I've seen some dumb comments here and some brilliant comments here on this forum. Everyone should be welcome.
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He murdered 4 people in cold blood. That settles it in my books. He was given a fair trial, appeals and in the end even Arnold said he had to pay the price.
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Never said you should have 17. All I said was this is a remarkable family and that the birthrate might rise if people saw such families as examples of what can be done.
Why be so defensive? Also, this is an LDS oriented forum and I believe the position of the LDS Church is such that large families are a blessing (just the same position as the Bible).
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And if such a life is worse than death, why did Tookie fight so hard to get away from execution?
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"Grandma got run over by a riendeer" is pretty good. Wierd Al's "The night Santa went crazy" is a hit as well.
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Hoax:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/quran911.asp
Sorry -- sounds neat and all but it just isn't true.
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How many people in and out of prison are at risk of being killed by Tookie at this time?
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http://www.kxtv.com/storyfull2.aspx?storyid=14826
Hey, they even have the family I linked to a couple of months ago beat. I was just in Russia -- it would be great if people there (and in the Ukraine) followed this family's example -- the birthrate there is way too low, as it is in the USA, Europe, Japan and Australia. Putin is doing his best to institute pro-natalist policies and the birthrate is finally rising. More power to Russia at success at this goal!
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No really, I don't think you are a nice person. I wouldn't want to meet you in real life and I try to protect my kid from folks like you. I am serious about that.
Again, you appear to be projecting all your motivations upon your child. I really hope that you are not turning him into a mirror image of yourself. Judging from your posts you appear to show certain signs of narcissisistec personality disorder (nned for constant affirmation, alothough on a superficial level, lashing out at anyone who disagrees with you -- in a nasty way I might add, as well as dispensing with the "us v. them" and making your posts seem like an "I vs. them". Please, Sgallan, try to lighten up and maybe not take yourself so seriously, if that's possible.
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Ever read Paul Vitz's "The psychology of atheism"?
The Results Of Feminism.
in General Discussion
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Feminists paint themselves in the corner. Why? Because they have no foundation by which to base their standards on except a vague notion of "equality".
Of course, this equality gives women choices that many feminists don't like.
One could say the ultimate expression of feminism is to be a stripper. Sure some feminists might say the job is exploitive, yet who is exploiting who? A woman can move around (doubt many have professional dance training except for the ones in eastern Europe) on stage and make lots of money from guys who can watch, but have no emotional attachment. She exploits his urges and drives so he will part with his hard-earned money.
I suppose this exposes the weakness of humanistic feminism. Without moral standards many women will take their "freedom and equality" to the extremes and one can even question who is exploiting who in many instances. Ever stop to think that when women were burning their bras in the 60s that it was doubtful too many men were crying over this development?