AFDaw

There ya go.

My husband and I have a story sort of like that....without the dead deer and all. One day I was figuring out our expenses and it was literally, we had enough money to pay all of our bills and to pay tithing, but that was leaving us NOTHING left over. So we went ahead and paid the tithing and my husband was taking the rent check up to the the office one day and him and the guy started talking and the office manager asked him what happened to our dog. He said that unfortunatly, we had to get rid of him. Well we had paid an unrefundable deposit, and the manager said "Oh...well then just take 250 off of this month's rent." So even knowing that we wouldn't have a lot of money left over, we paid our tithing anyway and we were basically given an extra $250 to hold us over til next pay day.

Hmm... First off, I'm not a long time married couple, I've only been married a little over 3 years. I have a few questions for you. Define "check out other woman" Were these woman his friends before you met/married?

Oh man...aren't you just the regular funny man.So...where is the answer to my question? Who's avoiding questions now? You practically threw a hissy fit cause you didn't think we were answering your question. If you don't have an answer, just say so Cal. Say "AFD..I don't have an answer" Then I'll leave you alone.

I started to say. Peace and I haven't been saying different things. You're just chosing to see it that way. In fact..Peace and I have both talked about the work being done for families. Many of whom are NON-MEMBERS. Soooo...yeah, I'm not understanding your assumption that we have differing opinions. See, maybe if you actually KNEW the Mormon doctrine then you could understand why our posts read the way they do. Also, you want to complain about people not answering your questions, when in fact we were answering them from the get-go. Where is the answer to my question?

Because unlike many other church's, we don't care what other's believe. We don't sit in church and say "Hey..do the Baptist down the street believe in baptism by immersion?" 11th Article of Faith. Families are a huge part of our faith, why wouldn't we advertise it? So what if other church's believe it too, we're saying "SO DO WE!" My question to you is why if "everyone" believes it too, why do they marry "til death do you part?"

Cal - I am not ignoring your question, you're not accepting our answers. And I think it's very relative whether or not you believe in "Mormon Scripture" (as you've pointed out) If you don't believe in it, then you don't accept it. If you don't accept it, then you won't accept whatever we tell you as an answer (again, as you've point out) example: I don't believe in the Church of Satan and it's teachings. Therefore you can't come to me with their "Bible" and say "Right here it says that Mormons are going to hell." Why? Because I don't accept it, I don't believe in it. We've told you that we believe that so-called non-members will be able to be with their realitives in the hereafter. In fact...read a post of mine prior to this. I also wasn't the first one to state it. So obviously Cal you need this stated in BIG BOLD LETTERS. So here you go. WE DO NOT BELIEVE THAT NON-MEMBERS WILL NOT BE ABLE TO BE WITH THEIR FAMILY IN THE HEREAFTER I hope that answers the question for you (FINALLY). I hope you accept that (FINALLY). I can't give you a "Mormon Scripture" that says we don't believe that non-members won't be able to be with their family, because that's not a belief we have. Maybe what you should do, since you seem so set that we do believe in this, is show me where in "Mormon Scripture" it says that all non-Mormons will not be able to be with their family in the after life. I believe the burden of proof is on your shoulders.

It's also been stated that we don't believe that non-members won't be able to be with their realitives in the afterlife. We believe that the work can be done for those that have passed on. (as was stated earlier) and we also believe that everyone will be given the chances to accept the gospel.

Cal - Our scriptures don't only pertain to the Bible, BoM, D&C, & PGP. Modern scripture isn't set in a little leather bound book divided up into chapters and verses. Not only that, but you obviously don't accept "Mormon Scripture" so why are you asking for one to prove a point you don't even believe in?

More than you know.

Is your community mainly LDS? I won't even go into the female roles of the church thing.

First off...where do you live? Second off...are you saying that if you were given a talented girl then she shouldn't be raised in the church?

Yes...I only care about those who think like me. I have no desire to meet anyone who could remotly disagree with me in any way shape or form....you hit the nail on the head [sarcasm off] I know we only know each other from forums, but I could get my husband to attest to the fact that I THRIVE to meet people who believe differently from me. I honestly love to discuss issues. (Not mudsling or namecall) And in fact, I've been told by several people that I'm one of the few people they can talk about anything with and they can walk away not feeling hurt or offended. When I ask a question, it is usually because I am honestly curious. I can be a smart butt though, and I will turn that on in a heartbeat if I feel someone is being sarcastic with me as well. And truly, I don't understand all the church and the political talk. Which is strange because I am really interested in politics.

Hey...that B) is suppose to be a B and then a ) Interesting side effect :)

But obviously what has been said to your wife by those who are in her church have made such a negative feeling that she A) doesn't want to go and/or B) has reservations about having her kids raised in the church While I truly know you are not sterotyping the entire church, for it to have such an effect as A and B, then I would think there are some resentful feelings to even other members who may not feel that way. As for the conservative remark. (This only applies if you are referring to the political standpoint) My stake has many liberals in it, and in my old stake, as well. In fact, I've been in quite a few discussions with others in the church because we don't see eye to eye on many issues.

My point about what are you doing here was that you obviously don't agree with the church, so why are you here? Even if you are "technically" a member. I don't agree with homosexuals, with the Catholic church, with Nazi's...but I also don't go to their little gathering places either. I'm just trying to understand why anyone who doesn't agree with someone feels the need to meet up with them. This isn't an insult...I was honestly asking what your point of being here was and what you hoped to achieve by participating in these boards. Honestly. The honest to goodness truth is I don't care how you raise her. That's not because I don't care for her wellbeing, yours or who evers, but I am a parent. I will raise my child (soon to be children) the way I want them to be raised and the way I think is best for them. I don't care if others disagree with me or not, it's none of their business. So you can't ask me why I wouldn't have you raise her in the church. That's your choice and your wife's.

sgallan - I have no doubt people in the church say things that can make others feel bad. I've had them said to me (like a woman in RS once said that those who marry a convert shouldn't get married at all), and I've been a member my whole life. But I've also had non-members say things that have hurt me as well. (like when I was 8mos pregnant and a woman at work said "Black is a sliming color, but it's not working on you!") I don't think that's limited to just the church, as I don't think you can sterotype the ENTIRE church because of what some people say.

Oh yes...I'm sorry. I missed the last "Stoning of the Homosexual" party that the church threw. Thanks for reminding me. I see how you would compare our stance on homosexuals to those who decided to fly planes into bldgs killing 1000's of innocent people. We after all have a belief and stick to it, and these people decided to actually harm and kill people for being Christian. Yes...it's all so very clear to me.

First off...I really don't know what you're implying to with the whole 800lb gorrilla political standpoint thingy. Sooo...don't know what to say to that. What am I beating you over the head with? Your post left me a little more confused. And I don't see how I'm giving off the vibe of being prideful. That would be if I were to say such ridiculous things like "All woman who are not mothers are horrible people" or "Being a daughter is the best thing that anyone could be, so all men are little pigs who deserve to burn in hell" Also, you say that as long as people keep to themselves about the religion, you don't mind. So what exactly is it you're doing here? Wouldn't that be YOU trying to beat us over the head with your beliefs and what not? I doubt you come here to gain understand as to why we believe what we do, so I would think the only other explanation is to possibly "save" us from what you consider to be wrong. Which would in turn actually make you the prideful one.

Then don't worship him, I promise not to lose sleep over it tonight Uhm...wrong. I said "Keep in mind I'm referring to those who have received testimony through the Holy Ghost that he does exist." The Holy Ghost can manifest the truth to you without a vistation from God himself. And honestly...do you have a butt kissing fetish? Or do you like to just mention that whenever possible? Be careful...you know what they say about those who assume. Where in what I said did I even remotly imply that the 9/11 terrorist attacks were ok? I'm not doubting that they believe that their God told them to fly those planes into those buildings. Just like I don't doubt certain "Mormons" feel that they are called of God to take on more than one wife. Doesn't mean I have to agree with it. Then you ask "What would be the difference." Are you serious? How about the difference is that while I know what I believe to be true, I don't go around murdering innocent people who don't agree with my beliefs. How about, I don't have a murder training camp where I have other fellow Latter Day Saints practicing ways to kill off woman and children and men who are of another faith. How about, I'm not so blind to think that others in this world need to agree with my beliefs and if they don't, they should die. I can't honestly believe you would have asked such a ridiculous question...in my opinion. Being prideful is a sin. However, being prideful is not the same as being proud of who you are or what you believe. And I think you realize that too. I'm a woman, I'm a mother, I'm a daughter, a sister, a wife and I am proud of all these things. But I am not "prideful" that I find those who are not like me are inferior.

The Gospel according to AFDaw The scriptures say that God is a jealous God (among many thing), wanting us to put no others before him, so why would it seem odd that our God might not be happy with us if we openly denied him? Keep in mind I'm referring to those who have received testimony through the Holy Ghost that he does exist. I think it only makes sense for God to be upset at his children who know full well he is God and reject him knowing this. sgallan - You ask if "arrogance" is considered a value in our faith. I can't answer for Peace (since it would seem that's who you were asking) but as for myself, wouldn't it make sense that we believe our faith to be true and right? And wouldn't it make sense that we are proud to be who we are? And could it be that you are mistaking that pride for arrogance?

Very interesting questions Wiggins. All I can truly say is that the BoM will not be re-translated because there is no need for it. The Bible was translated many times, and many times by political money to have it suit the needs of the king. Many truths were changed or lost. The BoM only has 1 translation, so there are not different variations out there to confuse people, therefore no need to try to find the most accurate one.