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National Geographic April 25th 2013 Takeshi Inomata, professor of anthropology at the University of Arizona and a National Geographic research grantee, disagrees with both theories. In his work at the archaeological site of Ceibal in Guatemala, he has unearthed evidence for a more complex origin story.

This was a very smart an well thought out response, thank you.

I had earlier acknowledged that the plagues, red sea, ect weren't proven. All I am saying is that there is proof a bunch of ppl left egypt around the time of the biblical exodus. I just did a google search on it and linked some websites to show the amount of information out there on this subject. I don't need any classes to know that there is egyptian records that tell of a mass amount of ppl leaving egypt. Are you disputing that there is written egyptian record of a population leaving egypt at the time of the exodus? Cause if your not, that was the only referrence I intended. Now this has gotten so picked at, we are totally off subject. If you disagree that there is evidence of this, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

They have found evidence of a mass exodus of eqypt. They even found where the people lived before the exodus. And eqyptian writings record this event. I think the eqyptians record the people leaving eqypt as the Hyksos. I am no egyptologist for sure! hehe But I know they have found a city abandoned around the time of the exodus and they have found writings that record this event. That is fact.

Hmm I think alot of the "no proof' posts I have seen are talking about that there is no evidence of how the Exodus occured,i.e.parting the red sea ect. But there is Biblical record and egyptian written records of a mass amount of ppl leaving egypt around the same time as the biblical event. Here is a link that will explain how I Learned of this find. The Exodus Decoded /\ Pictures of the show Upon searching, I discovered hundreds of websites dedicated to this subject. Here's another good one ->Amazing Discoveries It IS FACT that an exodus occured in egypt.

Umm, I saw it on the history channel. And I think an internet research on your part would reveal the commonality of this knowledge.

It seems science has dismissed the possibility that the book of mormon is true. In the egyptian record of the exodus it refers to the people of mosses by a different name than the bible. I wonder if researchers consider this when easily dismissing the BoM.

I believe that if you meditate and fast, the lord will answer your question if you 'try' hard enough.

Well we have a society of 100,000-500,000 people that are extinguished at the same time the BoM states the nephite society was destroyed. I don't know how many societies are being destroyed in the americas at this time but I would certainly point out that this is a dramatic world event. When moses lead his people out of egypt they were able to find egyptian writings and biblical writings of the same event to substantiate it. I believe we've just done the same thing with the BoM and the Mayan records.

Well, as discussed in a later posting, Joseph Smith would have thought horses had always been here but science states that they were not here between 10,000BC and 1400AD. But if I were an ancient person first seeing the new world, I might call Alpacas and Llamas - horses and jack-asses. Specially since the maya domesticated and used them in some of the same fashions as horses and asses. I posted the two timelines so that readers could draw their own conclusions. As for offering 'FACTS', I think comparing the two timelimes of records both being of the same area you might find some pararels. And comparing the two timelines it is clear that a social change happened about the time the nephites arrived. This was the mayan's reinensance, they began writing about spiritual matters in their records at this point. There is far more detailed accounts of the ancient mayans all over the place if your looking for more specific information than what I am providing.

Going with simple blanket claim without sustantiation. :) Faded did a good job of pointing out some similarities. I would be interested in someone's research on this matter as I stated earlier. BTW, the links were great. Unfortunately I found some of the publications alittle hard to read. Disappointed in the metalurgy article, I realize metal working and horses have yet to be discovered in this time period/area. Although there is no current evidence of metalworking or horses in the americas at that time, it doesn't mean we won't discover science is wrong in the future.

thanks, alot of good responses! Really, Faded should write up an article. He is more educated than I in these subjects. Well the arrivial to the americas coinciding with the "Classic" period of the mayas touched me the most. I feel that cultural influence bought to the mayas is vastly apparent here. Their records of purely wars and noble events evolved at this point to include spiritual insights and stories. The maya went into a period of cultural growth at this point. Their craftsmanship and artistic abilities increased exponentially. If this is true information, we can identify the the civilazation that is the Nephites. It would be great to get nephites artifacts into a museum so all LDS could see some of our spiritual heritage. Could it be possible to identify the place where Jesus stood in the americas? That would be really great to visit the same earth where he stood. Could lamenites and their descendancy have any significance today?

Many archaeologist devote their lives to proving events in the bible actualyl happened. Facts have emereged, proving the exodus, jesus' travels, and biblical cities. Faith should be your ultimate decision making tool when believing in the scriptures. However, I find archaeological proof of scriptural events very exciting! Until recent times, we did not have an archaeological record of ancient times in the americas. Now we have the Maya civilizations records and dates available since we have cracked the graphical writing system. In my amazement, I was astounded how the mayan and mormon timelines lined up. Source Wikipedia 1 Jaredites 1.1 I. Pioneering Phase (3100-2920 B.C.) Years 1.2 II. Formation Phase (2920-2320 B.C.) 1.2.1 A. Early Formation 1.2.2 B. Late Formation 1.3 III. Disruption Phase (2320-1720 B.C.) 1.3.1 A. Early Disruption 1.3.2 B. Late Disruption 1.4 IV. Elaboration Phase (1720-1120 B.C.) 1.4.1 A. Early Elaboration 1.4.2 B. Late Elaboration 1.5 V. Decline Phase (1120-570 B.C.) 1.5.1 A. Early Decline 1.5.2 B. Late Decline 2 Jerusalem and environs 2.1 600 BC, Jerusalem 2.2 Between 600 and 592 BC, In the wilderness 2.3 592 BC, Bountiful 2.4 About 591 BC, Bountiful 2.5 About 590 BC, on the sea 3 The land of Nephi 3.1 About 589 BC, in the promised land 3.2 Between 588 and 570 BC, the land of their first inheritance 3.3 Between 588 and 570 BC, the land of Nephi 3.4 569 BC, the land of Nephi 3.5 559 BC, the land of Nephi 3.6 Between 559 and 545 BC, the land of Nephi 3.7 544 BC, the land of Nephi 3.8 Between 544 and 421 BC, the land of Nephi 3.9 420 BC, the land of Nephi 3.10 Between 420 and 400 BC, the land of Nephi 3.11 Between 399 and 361 BC, the land of Nephi 3.12 361 BC, the land of Nephi 3.13 323 BC, the land of Nephi 3.14 317 BC, the land of Nephi 3.15 279 BC, the land of Nephi 3.16 Between 279 and 130 BC, the land of Nephi 4 Zarahemla 4.1 Between 279 and 130 BC, Zarahemla 4.2 About 200 BC, Zarahemla 4.3 About 200 BC, land of Lehi-Nephi 4.4 About 188 BC, land of Lehi-Nephi 4.5 About 187 BC, land of Lehi-Nephi 4.6 About 177 BC, land of Lehi-Nephi 4.7 Probably about 160 BC, land of Lehi-Nephi 4.8 About 150 BC, land of Lehi-Nephi 4.9 About 148 BC, land of Lehi-Nephi 4.10 About 147 BC, the place of Mormon 4.11 About 145 BC, land of Lehi-Nephi 4.12 Between 145 and 122 BC, land of Lehi-Nephi 4.13 Between 130 and 121 BC, Zarahemla 4.14 About 121 BC, land of Lehi-Nephi 4.15 About 120 BC, land of Lehi-Nephi 4.16 About 120 BC, Zarahemla 4.17 Between 120 and 92 BC, Zarahemla 4.18 About 92 BC, Zarahemla 4.19 91 BC, Zarahemla 5 The reign of the judges 5.1 91 BC, Zarahemla 5.2 About 90 BC, Zarahemla 5.3 About 90 BC, among the Lamanites 5.4 Between 90 and 81 BC, among the Lamanites 5.5 87 BC, Zarahemla 5.6 Between 86 and 84 BC, Zarahemla 5.7 Between 83 and 81 BC, Zarahemla and environs 5.8 Between 81 and 77 BC, among the Lamanites 5.9 Between 76 and 69 BC, Zarahemla 5.10 Between 68 and 67 BC, Zarahemla 5.11 Between 66 and 63 BC, Zarahemla 5.12 Between 62 and 60 BC, Zarahemla 5.13 Between 60 and 53 BC, Zarahemla 5.14 Between 52 and 39 BC, Zarahemla 5.15 Between 38 and 30 BC, Zarahemla 5.16 Between 29 and 24 BC, the lands of Mulek and Lehi 5.17 Between 23 and 14 BC, Zarahemla 5.18 Between 13 and 7 BC, throughout the land 5.19 Between 6 and 5 BC, Zarahemla 5.20 Between 2 and 1 BC, Zarahemla 5.21 1 BC, Zarahemla 6 From the birth of Christ to His death 6.1 AD 1, Zarahemla 6.2 Between AD 3 and 15, throughout the land 6.3 Between AD 15 and 21, Zarahemla 6.4 Between AD 21 and 33, throughout the land 7 The coming of Christ 7.1 At the commencement of AD 34, throughout the land 7.2 At the ending of AD 34, near Bountiful 7.3 Between AD 34 and 35 7.4 Between AD 36 and 321 8 Mormon and Moroni 8.1 Between AD 321 and 328 (Mormon's Youth) 8.2 Between AD 328 and 350 8.3 Between AD 350 and 360 8.4 Between AD 360 and 385 8.5 Between AD 385 and 421MAYAN TIMELINE Source MexConnect B.C.1000-1000 Olmec 1800-900 Early Preclassic Maya 900-300 Middle Preclassic Maya 300 B.C. - A.D. 250 Late Preclassic Maya A.D.250-600 Early Classic Maya 600-900 Late Classic Maya 900-1500 Post Classic Maya 1521-1821 Colonial period 1821- today Independent MexicoCloser examinations of the historical changes in cultural and social events in the lives of the mayan people coincide with events in the Book of Mormon. Changes like the decline and increase of war, city abandonment, and power changes. I challenge those of academic prowless in this area to investigate further. It is impossible for Joseph smith to know anything about the mayans, quite remarkable.