davidroscoe

Hello,, Everyone from the time their born, have it within their personality to discover what already there. I can remember discovering i wanted to walk for the attention, because where that attention came to me, when i couldnt walk. Then wanting to walk for more attention. Then when i was trying to walk, i couldnt understand what was being said untill someone pointed at something, and i got such a kick out of it, and started pointing at everything for the word. Then choosing from role models who i wanted to be like, and how i was going to get what i wanted from my surrounding. After that was more or less about what i thought was important, and what i wanted to ignore. I think thats basic for everyone though i dont think a lot of people spend time remembering their own choices that drove them to be who they are. Its not always easy to see what someone else is talking about because of their personal experainces or choices. If you like someone, it may be because your like them in a way, or they have something you dont have, like knowlege. Everyone basically becomes what they are like, what they like. So people tend to gravitate twards what they like. Forming different groups based on their likes and dislikes. Often leaving space thats hard to bridge and many times leaves people to use a type of understanding in order to do that. Thats more done when its benificial to co-exist with others who are different. When i spend time reading the bible and ever came across anything that was questionable, i would ask Heavenly Father, but also try and figure it out myself. That because i cared about what God cared for.(If i mention another G-d, and a understanding of a untrue charecter, then i wont spell it out). It always seems to work best when there is something God says or someone says about God, and i cant understand how it applys to life or how to use it in life. But in prayer i would always ask that i be shown it was Heavenly Father who gave the answer, and that seemed to help bring the answer in such a way that would prove what i wanted to know and how its intended purpose. So those building blocks of choices went in a total different way than most . But then seeing how that unfolded in such a way to actually live the part. With all that seeing God work in such a way couldnt figure out why he was showing me all this stuff, i mean there are others who are just as curious as myself, and didnt they deserve to know like myself. Then it came to me why, and thats to be like him. Then the worlds, systems, galaxys, and univers i understood better, as they were for us, and because of us. Created for our existance. In studying people, it also helped me to understand myself much better. I like to be asked for whats needed, and i like giving things to people who do what i want them to do by example, expecially if they use it for a good reason in the same manner i would. So when i think of God, i see him in much the same manner. When i do ponder things i like to think the answers lay within us, to unlock. I also understand everyone like to specialize in something too, though im not sure wich way is better, though i do know eventually everyone will know and be able to connect what they have learned with What God has to teach us later. Peace and Love in Jesus.

Hello, danceinthedark. I took the time to read all the post by everyone in this thread before putting in my two cents worth. I may be able to help some, at least its my hope. The bible for the most part, is about those seeking salvation from God, or at least working out their salvation with God. This only becomes evident by example with reading about Jesus Christ. Even Jesus had to work out his salvation with God. Most people read the bible and in their mind hear a story, that they can not figure out how those things were possible. Its left to mistery for most. God likes to make examples for everyone to see, and he does this with people who seek him out for their salvation. Its why they were written about, and why the storys wound up in the bible. If anyone else experainced those things seeking out God for their salvation they would recognize them in the bible. This being used for the sole purpose of conversion. Though i do not agree with the ones who put this together, God in his wisdom did allowe it. Those other denomination may change the wording of their bibles to fit what they think those things mean, add or remove parts, but they dont change the example. Like myself, Joseph Smith also wanted to make his own version of the bible, by reinterpreting it. I also started my version, and pretty much got the same answer he did when i asked God if i could do that. The bible is sufficiant as it is, because of the example. The reason it is, is because of how God created man, in his image. God not only made man in his image, but also with his basic personality. Thats passed down from male to male through the generations. One man thinks like another for the most part. So if one man does somthing for the same reasons another did them, he gets the same result. So with that If anyone looks for God and salvation for the right reasons, they will be able to duplicate those experainces in the bible. Thats because God knows the hearts of mankind and the reasons they do things. If a persons heart isnt in the right frame of mind to seek salvation for their soul, they wont find anything. For the most part, their has to be selfhonesty, and honesty with God. Then their has to be a willingness to explore where that salvation might be, because we do the work, and God helps us find our way. When the story of Joseph smith is read, many people just see a story, and they dont stop to see him as a example. When he went exploring his salvation and talking to different religons, he wasnt only seeking what was in his heart, he was made the example of what needs to be done, in order to figure out who was telling the truth. Anyone doing that finds out that each different church baptizes, even if you have already been. Thats because of athority, as another church wouldnt have any. Anyone doing this woud most likley understand they are in dispute, and dont really know anything. Then would boil down to understanding only God can show something like that. Since thats the example anyway. Which i have done. I think the bible says, faith without works is dead, meaning faith without action has no meaning. Fiath isnt believing, faith is what you do with what you know. Like faith in your family. You also saw something in your husband, and by some example chose him. Though the example he goes by that made him exceptable is not? Most wont find anything looking directley at the church, though they may see much more by looking at the people. And though there are some not so much the example, but there are some that are. Then just to mention the coffee thing, its more to do with intended purpose of that which God created it for. Hope i could help some, Peace and Love in Jesus.

Hello, Im new here, just found this web forum, and thought i would sign for something new. Im a bit backwards from most people, im very spirit filled, and have had very good luck finding the truth for myself. My history is a bit strange too. Durring my childhood my family lived on a farm, and when i was four years old my parents and other family members decided that everyone should go to church on a Easter sunday when i was four years old. Thats when i first heard about our heavenly fathers son, and what he did for us. I just couldnt get that off my mind, and even decided at the time, that if that were for real, thats what i wanted to be like. After my dad died at the age of eight years old, my mother had gotten remarried, and we moved to the city in a different town. But my life became difficult as my new dad was very harsh. Thats when i decided that our heavenly father was going to have to take the place of my dad, and show me what i would need to do. Then at the age of twelve a angel spoke to me about a event that was going to take place, which was a neighbor tree was going to fall. Later the tree fell, which i wasnt sure why this took place untill later. When i was fifteen years old, some interesting things started happening within my family. My grandparents, my dads mom and dad became saved. They totally changed and was a very strange experiance for me, and i wasnt really sure if i liked them that way. Then my own mom changed, and i found i did like her better that way. Then a good friend of mine told me that he had changed, and these changes were drastic in measure. Something i couldnt really get used too, though made me wonder if our heavenly father was real. After watching the news, about the different denominations fighting, i decided they must not know anything about how to be saved. I decided i would have to go directley to God for the answers i needed. I asked, and recieved a answer, after getting up in the morning found myself in vision standing and looking at a grove of trees. Thats were God and his son spoke telling me they were going to help me. This had something to do with a tree. I searched around durring the years after that, i talked to preachers, teachers, reverands, pastors, and you name it, but no one could give me a answer to what took place that day in my vision. It just seemed like if they really knew God someone would know what i was going through and the meaning to things. But no one did. Many things took place after that, as being visited. I had thought it really came together after i was twenty two years old, that when something happened to me i have a hard time explaining. I just know i had the desire to be like heavenly father, and thats where my love was. He seemed to be the only one who true cared for me, as my life, no other did. I was cought up in vision reading the bible, and had recieved something of love to change me. I had just gotten this bible, and was reading it for the first time, and i had found the first vision in first corinthians chapter three by being transformed. I couldnt help but notice that the people i was reading about were a lot like myself. After that i was cought up in severl visions within that year, one was because of my friend who was a JW and always had to debate everything and was never wrong about his interpretations of the bible. He made me very upset, and when i had asked God how i could help him, Heavenly Father told me of the agreement. Then in another vision Heavenly Father told me of marrige but with the heavenly side to it. Then in another was a circle of fire where i got the name of Joseph, but was about my dad dieing and how i felt about it and replacing God as my father. Then in the last vision was with a friend and he light up which i later found a picture of Joseph who looked like him. At the age of twenty three after asking heanley father if i could help, he told me i didnt know where anyone was so i couldnt have that. Then when i was having some trouble deciding what direction to go in my life, i gave into heavenly father and he put me in a situation like the last supper. Even a angel told me to look and see but i didnt think anything was going to take place untill the sean was set. After that not much took place though i waited and waited. I just remember heavenly father had promised me that if i didnt give up that i would get a reward. So i kept looking but didnt find anything. I had gotten hurt several times by people who i though liked me, though i even admit that what i say sounds a bit strange, so i cant really blame anyone for what they might think about that. But in getting hurt i saw a pattern, and asked heavenly father why a couple of different time and he showed me to understand the differane between people. Which i was really supprised at. Then it wasnt untill after i had to learn something about benifits that i finally asked heavenly father to take me to people who were like myself, and show them to me because i had been so alone for so long. Then he sent two brothers to my door, and so i decided to speak with them. It came out that i have received answers from Reading the bible and asking heavenly father for answers, so they were kind of supprised to hear that, and gave me the book of mormon. So i put forth the effort into reading that book, and praying, but got absolutley nothing from it, not even a clue. Then i was hurt once more, even crusified it felt like, it even came out with no differance between a common criminal and me but i have always been honest with myself and to God. It figured because thats how the story went in the bible with Jesus. So i figured that the next step was rezerection, and new that had to do with baptizm which i hadnt been yet. Thats when two sisters came to my door, and i spoke with them and told them that i had read the book of mormon and didnt get anything out of it. But they told me to ask heavenly father if i should speak further with them, and they would come back the next day to find out. That night i had a dream we were standing on the porch and one of the girls said, wasnt it nice to have such a loving heavenly father. Then a light grew untill we were all sanding within that light. So the next day i told them that heavenly father gave me a answer that i should hear what they have to say. You see, i knew nothing about the Mormons, they were alien to this area. But i was ready to hear them and what they had to say, mostley because God wanted me to. Light is Love symbolically. After waling with God, the side effect is understanding dreams, because dreams have a lot to do with things. I found out when they talk to you they find out what you believe and find out if you belong in the church. I didnt know there were several visits or meetings. But when the first meeting took place, Boy was i in shock. Do you know what is said in the first meeting? God droped that bomb on me from a mile up, and believe me when all you have worked for in life was to find God, and be like him, and you wonder if you ever will find what you looking for, and you have nothing but LOVE in your heart and that takes place, its a wowser. Just like me is all i could say. The rest of the meetings went the same way, were i had been shown something of it. They were all dreams, but the one about the lion in the dead woods that was gong to kill me came to mind durring one. The death before God comes. Now some people think its because i have a purpose, though what i do know is that LOVE is the greates gift of all, love in in the heart, its what goes in the eyes, and when Love is the gift looking at love(God), you get that love in return. Because i have such a powerfull testemony and is who i am, i often have trouble getting past that. So i have been working on getting over myself. It really hinders me, and keeps me from doing what i need to do. Im often a distraction, and people want to know more, and will talk with me about it. Mainley because im able to triangulate between the book of mormon, the bible, myself, and Joseph. I do know that God is in the people, and everyone i have met in the church are very nice people, and im very glad to be a part of that. Thanks for reading if you made it to this point. I was baptized at thrity seven years old, in the years 2000. Peace and Love in Jesus.