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And let me be the first to congratulate you on that. I will look in to those things you mentioned. However as you can see some don't find those offensive. Merely educational. And again ITS NOT MY ARTWORK. I simply reposted it because I like it. I still have not said ANYTHING offensive to the Mormon or Christian community. Nor do I plan to. IF and I mean IF I EVER did it wouldn't be here. It would be face to face. That's how I operate.

Yes we are. And I thank you for making the attempt. Again I am aware of the garbage on the net about you people. That's why I came here. I didn't want to be unfair or biased

Thank you for the advice! Any way I could move the process along? I have LOTS of questions that nobody seems to be able to answer. That's why I started my website in the first place. To give others the answers I found and how I found them and also to receive other's answers and how they found them. I see you are working in a prison. That has to be difficult. How can you stay so solid in your belief knowing what else is out there? What do you say to Muslims? Or Hindu's? Or atheists?

I said the is the latest of many. As far as my character goes I retract that statement. I apologize. You did not attack my character. Just my intelligence. I was just a little caught up because as I'm sure you see I'm having to defend myself alot here. Not sure why other than my website offended some for a short period of time. Other than that I see no reason to play "kill the atheist" You are absolutely right though. You didn't attack my character. I'm sorry

How could I believe it? As soon as Vort said something your outlook about me changed dramatically. I don't know how much influence he has here but apparently with you it's huge. I did address your concerns. I still see no biased statement to date that I have made here or else where and have yet to have one pointed out to me. I appreciate your concern for me. I really do. But I'm ok I can assure you. I am happy with my life and who I am as I'm sure you are as well. I would never try to take that from you or even Vort for that matter. I do not agree with it and can explain why easily. I've never been asked why by ANY of you however I could do so. Do I hate religion? No. I don't. I hate what it causes ie. hate, terrorism, murder, racism, and the list goes on immeasurably but I also understand that for some it causes understanding, love, brotherhood, and so on. To me it is in the eye of the beholder. You hold religion close to you. So for you it causes the later of the two. I hold science. So to me it shows the primary. Again judging me will get you no where. I do not feel I have attacked anyone who did not attack me first. I came here asking simple questions and was jumped on. I responded after being poked and proded till I couldn't take it no more. Yes I may have went a little on the offense at some point. For that I apologize. But it never would have happened had I been treated fairly. If I would have been told "Hey superdad I find that offensive!" I would have replied "What do you find offensive" upon receipt of that answer I would have took down the offensive material immediately. But that is NOT what I was given was it? NO. So you keep your judgments. I'm happy being me

"I'm not so sure many "Christian" sects would fit into that narrow description anyway." How narrow is my thinking exactly? "You really, truly, can't grasp why that is not palatable can you? Perhaps you just need to have a tiny bit of faith," Again...how narrow is my thinking? Faith? I'm an atheist. I wouldn't ask you to have non-faith "Many community colleges offer basic courses that introduce people to the religions of the world" Do you think I'm not aware of this?

My cause has been helped. I got my information. You are just the latest in a string of ridiculous attacks on my character and my intentions. I apologize for the punctuation. To answer you NO i would not go to a quote "expert" I would go to the people milking the cows. I would go to the people feeding the cows. Why? Because generally EXPERTS are so caught up in being EXPERTS they forget the common things. On the other hand people doing it every day don't. Hence I came to believers who do it every day. Defy logic? And I guess your extreme hatred is?

I got a similar result at a Christian site I was posting on to write their general beliefs. Of course some of them are not happy. But in my opinion it does GENERALLY explain their beliefs. That is ALL I have been trying to do. If your intelligence is insulted I apologize. But these are just facts. Like I said...believe me or not. It is irrelevant to my work. I am still reading the second chapter of a book someone here gave me so I don't want to write the one on Mormonism quite yet. I want to have a better understanding of the general principle first. I'm sure when I finish you or someone else will probably say its to "narrow" or some other negative feedback but as I have said all I'm going for is a GENERAL UNBIASED description

I appreciate that. I really am not looking for help. I'm just trying to learn your belief system. I don't really feel like I need help. I'm a very happy well adjusted person. I'm just looking for answers. And to the other person who responded I wasn't only there for 45 minutes. LOL maybe I wrote that wrong. I was at the church for a long time. When I decided that I believed it and wanted to be baptized is when they said I was to receive the spirit before I was baptized in water. That's when my doubt took place. Sorry for the confusion

Narrow??? What did you want?? A small novel?? It's a BASIC concept!! No I'm will NOT have faith. Ergo ATHEIST!!!! I was simply trying to get a grasp on a subject! If I was asking you about milk and you where a dairy farmer would you bite my head off in the same manor if I was to say it is a white dairy substance that comes from cows? Come on people....it's GENERAL!!! It means GENERAL!!! If you want me to have "faith" your barking up the wrong tree.

Seriously?? Can you blame me for being just a little defensive? Lets look at some of the things that have been said to and about me and ask our self if that is REALLY a question you should ask...yes I have admitted COUNTLESS times that my site DID contain material that could have been offensive. AGAIN I will repeat myself...I DID NOT KNOW IT WAS OFFENSIVE OR THAT IT WAS THERE!!! As soon as I was alerted to its presence it was REMOVED!!! So how many times am I going to be asked this question? It seems to me the same comments are being made just re-worded to fit someone another person's attempt to attack me. Bottom line is the things you and others found offensive where removed. Forgive my ignorance of your customs and what not. Did you know that if you show the bottom of your feet to a person in Iraq its offensive? Or shaking their Left hand is frowned upon? Even if you did I didn't untill I went. How can I know what is offensive untill I'm told it is???

Ok but as I said earlier...what do you say to someone who DID believe but got nothing? I'm not the only one with this issue I can assure you. I have talked to two people here that had the same experience and has since turned away from this belief. I'm not saying they where right or wrong. I'm just saying it happens. You are correct. I do not believe in the existence of God. But I didn't just dream it up! It was shown to me by my own experience. So I ask again...how can I speak to God? Simply believing didn't cut it. Now what?

Well I can assure you we are one in the same. lol Those are my beliefs..and I don't see how you come to that conclusion... the following is a direct quote from my site. "The basic concept of Christianity in my opinion is that God was born to this Earth as Jesus. He taught man how to live by God's law and how to properly worship him. While doing so he was declared a heretic by the powers that be at that time which at that time was a crime. He was put on trial for his "sins" and found guilty. His sentence was death by crucifixion. Jesus believed that he was to die for all Man's sin so that whoever believed in him would go to Heaven when they died. Once crucified he was buried in a cave-like tomb. He then went to hell and defeated the devil and took the keys to hell's gates back to heaven. After 3 days he was resurrected and spoke to his followers. The Christian faith believes that if you follow Jesus and his teaching that you will go to heaven. You must EXCLUSIVELY believe in Jesus Christ as the son of God and that his father in the ONE true god. This was all written in a book (the bible) by average men who where guided by God on what to write. If you do not believe and follow the teachings within you are damned to hell eternally." Does that sound biased to you in anyway? Cause it sounds pretty clear to me. I think you jumped the gun a little. If you don't believe me here it is The basic concept of Christianity - Atheist's Corner

Thank you for that. Now just as a follow up...what about people who have had this belief in the past and then reformed? Take me for instance. I used to be a Christian. I was raised as one. My grandfather is a pentecostal preacher....imagine our conversations...anyway. So I was told once that I was to receive the wholly ghost. I really believed it. I tried so hard. They all prayed in a circle around me for half an hour to 45 minutes and I got nothing. I wanted it so bad but I got nothing. I thought at the time that it was my fault. I wasn't "good" enough to receive it. I was very upset about this. But then I joined the Army and found out there where others who believed strongly in COMPLETELY different religions. I actually had an 11 year old boy for example cry in Baghdad because in his word "I was going to hell" I had to examine this long and hard before I learned my truth. My truth is there is no God. That's why I didn't receive it. It wasn't there to receive. Even if it was I would want no part of it because people like the kid in Baghdad where going to hell if it did. That was my spiritual quest in a nut shell. Now I have become an atheist and I take a more scientific approach. Scientifically and logically speaking...how would I speak to God?

I'm gonna completely ignore the sarcasm of the other posters because I think I am above that. To address your questions if you read what I wrote then you would know what my intentions are. I'm NOT against religious people being religious. If you need religion so be it. However I AM in fact against religion as a whole. I don't think I endorse hatred of religion although clearly some here endorse hatred of those who choose not to participate. Personally I think that if you WOULD have read what I WROTE weather than take a look at the art work you would see that I am being as unbiased as I can with my descriptions of what religious groups are and what their and I will quote "basic concepts" are. As to why I didn't do research...well again if you would have read what I posted on the subject I WAS reading while posting here. The problem here is....well....have you ever googled your religion? Some very spiteful and mean things have been said of it and your whole belief structure. So being UNBIASED I came to actual believers to get the facts from you. The fact that you and/or others can not see that is no fault of mine. It's just simply the truth. I have been given some very useful information from some about your religion on the other hand. The thing that almost amazes me is that most of this information came from NON-BELIEVERS and Atheists. In my opinion yours and others here have the right to be a little paranoid that I'm here with some type on alternate motive than what I am claiming to have. But if I have learned anything about your religion it is that YOU or anyone like you (VORT) are not my judges. In your belief I can't be judged by you. So My question to you and people like you? Where do you get off attempting it? I did nothing wrong but ask questions. If that is wrong then please show me where your beliefs express that. If they do say that is wrong I will also apologize for that as well.

Lol none at all. Thank you very much. I think I have what I need. I really appreciate the response. I was really trying to get to the heart of it and now I feel that you all have helped me with that.

I agree with you totally. I have tried to manage this stuff and fix it but was not getting answers. Before he said anything to begin with it was worse! But since I wasn't being told exactly what the problem was I didn't change anything. Now that the atheist has told me what is offensive I will try AGAIN to rectify the problem. Thank toy for being unbiased and honest. I will make every effort to make others feel more comfortable with my sites content. Again the site is now 3 days old and the majority of my users are atheist so I have never had this problem. I will fix it. Thank you

I'm sorry. I have been educated now. I didn't know you where referring to that picture. I thought you meant the other one. Thank you for clarifying. Yes I'm almost done learning about OTHER'S beliefs. Your beliefs I'm not so sure about. If you would have read what I wrote about the others religions I tried very hard to be unbiased in their description. You can get mad at the pictures if you want but nobody there was EVER talked down to and THAT is what I assured. If you are offended by art work, again, I apologize. I assumed you where a woman. Again I apologize. Your opinion of the Presidents and others I mentioned is different from mine. Again I apologize. The fact that you can't read the same things I read and get the same information I got out of them is also a great regret of mine. I'm sorry. Persecute means to cause someone grief by the way and you where causing me grief but now that I know a little more about you I feel bad for you. So again I apologize. And I'm also very sorry that I typed p.s.s. rather than pps. I was in a hurry. I got kids to raise. For that however I am not sorry. Do I have a gun and is that relevant? No it is not but again I am sorry. Is there anything else you would like for me to apologize for in order for you to go away so I can finish getting my answers? Or is that good enough? Oh yeah and thanks for calling me sweet cheeks! lol that was funny! I apologize for laughing also if that offended you....

It doesn't compute because you didn't see how this person followed me to three different posts and has done nothing but degrade me and my beliefs while I have said absolutely nothing back. According to Merriam "to harass or punish in a manner designed to injure, grieve, or afflict; specifically : to cause to suffer because of belief" I'd say that is the right term my fellow atheist. How does that compute? Honestly if you didn't know the situation you shouldn't have got involved.

Thank you pam

I didn't ask for this pam. It has been reported to the admins

Yes sir or ma'am I am doing so now. I just wanted to get some direct answers in the process from believers.

You want an answer? Ok fine. There is only so much crap I can take from a fake internet bully. Sweet heart I have been to 2 wars and I am a cop. What exactly is it you do? Right....nothing. Eventually people like me get fed up with people like you and we tend to snap a little. You and people like you are the reason people like me have bad opinions of your belief structure. I try to get an answer and you persecute me for that. Way to go hunny. Find a life. Now to address your crap Great Minds: Atheist Quotes this is why President Franklin is viwed as an atheist Here is Lincoln Positive Atheism's Big List of Abraham Lincoln Quotations and if you can't use google I can find the rest for you. I took those cartoons off because it offended other people as well. I didn't know they where there. We also have admins. They are allowed to post stuff. Now I know that bit of logic may be beyond your simple mind but that is what happened. Now if you are done pestering me I'd like to get back to my research. Thank you and have a nice day. P.S. your rock is waiting to welcome you home P.s.s. scurry along little rodent friend

Yes I did and I am reading it in between posts here. Thank you very much Pam! You have been a great help!

Will you please sto following me like some kind of stalker?? I am getting good info from other people. Please crawl back under the rock you came from. Thank you and have a nice day