Jenifer

Bat wants to know why it took well over a year for an LDS member to even admit that there was such a teaching in Mormonism known as "The curse of Cain". He thinks some members (he calls them internet mormons) who are aware of the doctrine are ashamed of it and that is why they won't admit to it out in the open where potential converts might be repulsed by the teaching.

So, did you ever call back and talk to the Historical Department?

And, they look like this:

Where is the "edit" button?

BTW, Lindy is my favorite poster too.

Dude, you crack me up.Best post of the day! Err.....ever, really.

I use the Google toolbar. It works well for blocking popups. http://toolbar.google.com/

I didn't see the episode, so I am curious as to what was offensive. Was it the fact that mormon underwear was displayed? Was mormon underwear displayed inaccurately? Was mormon underwear displayed inappropriately, in some manner? Maybe a woman was shown wearing her secret mormon underwear (bra) UNDER her garments? Do tell.

Bat votes that he not be reinstated here. He says he's having too much fun posting under anonymous usernames and IP's. Keep up the good work, Spencer!

I agree, although I think that the Southern California desert would be a much better place to store nuclear waste. It's only a matter of time until that s***hole falls into the ocean anyways.

Are you kidding? A REAL antimormon doesn't care about such technicalities. A real antimormon is free to confuse doctrines of any church ever associated with mormonism into one big, horrifying, satanic cult to be feared by real Christians... Which is stupid to be confusing, because the current Brighamite sect of mormonism is EXACTLY like Joseph Smith's version of mormonism.

Again, you are letting him post under his wife, or letting him speak thru his wife. What is the difference? The difference is that bat's wife's stance regarding the church is not well known. We don't want to drive away potential tithe payers, making us failed-every-member-a-missionaries. We only want to silence those that would openly divulge facts that don't show mormonism in a positive light.That is why this is a pro-mormon (we're not anti-gay, we're pro family!) website.

Think of the VAMPIRES! They have feelings too! Don't murder the poor VAMPIRES!

No kidding. What is the use in living, if one is not living? Personally, I'd rathar be dead than living in a lifeless shell.The next thing you know, people will be campaigning against killing vampires and zombies. DON'T murder the poor ZOMBIES! We can make them not empty shells again!

Again, you are letting him post under his wife, or letting him speak thru his wife. What is the difference? I voted "No." I also think you should ban anyone assisting him to post here. I recommend he posts at RfM. Not that they actually need an extra injection of unbridled hatred, but he would probably feel more comfortable grazing among his own herd mentality. Also, look what he managed to accomplish as a monitor on your message board, Marsha. It sorta, kinda disappeared, didn't it? What is RfM?

This is Jenifer, the real Jenifer. Lindy, you rock. Just had to say that. Geesh, I didn't know I'd become so active on this board! :) And Amillia, it's JeNifer. One N. :)

Only if a strawman argument is actually present. For example, the famous FAIR argument:"Well if that makes the BoM false, then the Bible is also false". First of all, this argument is a strawman, as is my example, but I assure you, that if pressed, I could validate my examples. Second, making an attack against The Bible doesn't empower the Mormon Apologist. It weakens him/her. The Bible is considered as much of a divine scripture as Joseph Smith's Gold (but maybe they were plastic) plates. My arguments are more tenable if I use the words "straw man", if a straw man logical fallacy is being employed. Which is almost alwaysl. The answer to your question is, Tapir.

Disbelief in the implausible is equally or less tenable than belief in unlikely superstition?Really?

Just in case you missed it, Bat is requesting that any non-conjecture defenses for the anachronisms of The Book Of Mormon be validated by actual factual scientific evidnce that is contemporart with the BoM.

Bat asserts that using logic and not appealing to The standard works or The Bible or any other ahistorical documents, that the COJCOLDS is false and untenable. Refutations by FARMS, FAIR, and Jeff Lindsay articles are welcome, but will be taken with a grain of salt, due to their biased nature. Bat has decided that these Ad Hoc Hypotheses are based solely on the affirmation of faith in the implausible, and desires your non-conjectuatory answers.

Bat has been banished from ldstalk.com.

I've taken a break myself and may have missed something or maybe it's news to everyone but did some kind of honest-to-goodness nuptials happen to you (bat) and Jenifer recently? M. bat: Yes, we were married on the 108th floor of the Stratosphere Temple on December 30, 2004. It was the perfect wedding. Jenifer announced it here mid-December. Now, g-d sanctions us having sex, as opposed to if prior to our wedding we would have engaged in immoral sex and be thrust down to hell. It's weird how a piece of paper typed by a room full of monkeys over the course of a million years in a room full of typewriters determines whether one will spend the rest of eternity (which is a REALLY REALLY long time) in heaven or in hell. The g-d's must be really buerocratic, or even worse, lawyers.

bat: I don't understand your complaint. Are you complaining that some churches pay people for their services? Do you complain about the dudes at General Conference that rehash the same old same old, that are paid to have the positions in your church that they have?Perhaps you are trying to make a distinction between LDS and people that used to be LDS, but left because LOTR has a greater chance of being "true". I saw a midget on the teevee the other day. That proves that hobbits are real. Please clarify. BTW, I previously prophecied that this board would suck without me, and it would appear that I was correct. PM me and I'll tell you where you can send me $. Perhaps someday, the admin of this board will unharden their hearts (unlike the lamanites that aren't Native American Indians thanks to DNA research) and remove the abomination before the l-rd that is the gag order on my account. PD, lighten up. You sound like a lawyer. (bat applauds himself for applying the world's biggest insult.) I've considered creating different accounts so that i can still post here, but what's the point? There are those here that don't want my POV to be heard, and have gone to great lengths to make sure that they aren't. Whether it be my mocking and ridicule of implausible beliefs, my debunking of apologetic ad hoc assertions, or my criticism of the deformed, biased, and hypocritical way this board is run, I'm not welcome here. Which reminds me of why I think I would never be welcome in the lds church. "If you don't think the way we think, and believe what we believe, and do what we tell you to do, you're not welcome here." I don't think that is what g-d wants. G-d wants all of his children/monkeys to be happy. Not just an elite select few that wear special underwear. If g-d really wanted me to belong to his one true church, he wouldn't have made it unbelievably implausible, and he wouldn't have made all of the scientific evidence contradict his one true church. Perhaps g-d hates me for not having unquestioning faith in xtian fairy tales.

I wondered if it might have been Harvey, though last time we talked we were on pretty good terms so I didn't know if it would have been him or not. Say hi to the batman. bat: Hi. I was going to write something more lengthy, but there are those that would banish my wife from this board for the simple fact that I'm posting from her account, which may still happen, so I'll leave it at that. Were we talking about Nazis, and supression of speech and ideas? I didn't think so.

Sorry. No need to be sorry...they drive me nuts in a good way. Know what I mean?