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He can. Never forget God the Almighty has left him, Satan, all his power and ways of doing to attempt this, to derange men and nto bring them onto the wrong rail. His power is immens. He is an Angel and the son of the Allmighty. No man could resist to his power, only his faith was strong enough. Be aware of him. Once in one of my dreams he came, but I did not take one step back. Behind me I felt the support and power of my belief. I smelled his breath. He wanted me to get frightened as a raptor came on me. I did not went back. I stayed. Could I have any chance to escape? And I prayed to our beloved God. And I stayed. And Satan disappeared. I woke up. But I'm sure he can imitate peace, too, as he is a master of disguise, a master of beguiling and bluffing. He may act, as long as God will analyze each of ours and keep calm ...

And I don't like dogs. As in your avatar. Where a dog is, an angel could not be present. This should be easier to understand than your trying me not to understand your language - but I will. do you understand a single word in German? Verstehst du Deutsch? Nein? Das ist doch auch etwas defizitär? Oder nicht, plumpudding?

In your view? This is fight. This is not joking around. This is the Allmighty's will, to bring someone into here who accepts that the Allmighty's word has been brought to an illiterate. Yeah, but this is not fun. Dies ist kein Spaß - dies ist Wahrheit und die Verteidigung des Wortes Gottes, wie Er es den Gläubigen kundgetan hat. Auch mir, im Namen Jesu Christi, durch die Bibel, clever one.

They might be. but your posts sometimes are also "a little hard to deciper". And take a view to he Bible, whitch might not always easily to get "decipered". Learn foreign languages, and things might get to get easier "decipered". And, by the way, don't applaud to me. I wouldn't like it. I'm going my way, as the Allmighty has told me, and I'm being aware of ones like you. Einmal in meiner Sprache, und ich würde dich glattmachen. I would bring you down. Offender.

You've heard right well what I 've said. I'm not speaking Chinese.

That's what you might think. But I won't let me get blinded and I will learn the language of a man was a prophet and who restored the Allmighty's truth. When Elder ... was here, he gave me the BoM in english, as I required for, and I will continue to read each page of it in English as I promised. And you should not behave such arrogant as you're doing. As you're offending me and the Lord. Go ahead with this. Learn German, little one, a language you should take a life time to learn, and don't try offending me in this little way.

Forget it. I don't let myself get blinded by you. And if my abilities in English even should arrive my speaking level in Geman, I would have tought you a better lesson. And this is why the Lord has brought me to this site. And this is why I have to learn English.

You might be obliging, but never your words could blind me. Never.

And there is one story I can tell you: when I was about seven years of age, I just wanted to leave my parent's home. My father was a saylor and not at home . My mother was at home. We lived in the second floor in a house in Hamburg-Altona. As I wanted to get out, there was a kind man who was in the floor of the house and asked me to show him something down the cellar, because he didn't know how to get in there and I should show him how to open the door and all bloody things like that. But I was clever enough not to show him that and not to follow him downstairs to the cellar, and I rapidetly went up to my mother. She went out, ringing at the neighbour's, and I remember within not time all adult men w went out and called others and searched for that bloody guy. God might have saved him not to get found by the men. It was in 1963, when it was a criminal delict in Germany to be homosexual and you couldn't joke around with growing-ups. This is my story, and it is true. It happend the way I am still remembering it.

I have read the letter at the beginning of this thread. And I must say that I found it worth to read it and I want to say: yes, this is the only one explanation one who believes in God should give against homosexuality and not fooling around with the law of Germany or the United States or whatever. They will win, as long as we are not honest enough to declare: homosexuality is against the will of God. -ok- let them do their monkey buisiness departed from those ones who don't like it and abuse ist and reject it at all. But don't allow them to become legitimized their doings by the law and the society. Who of us was not a young boy who felt in love with a young girl, but as we were too young we had to forget about it, and the tiny flame of our little love to that girl lapsed, and later we found to our real beloved girl and woman and wife. In that critical pase of uncertainty homosexuality might influence a young man - and he might get desorientated and became near to homosexuality, when others might animate him into this direction. So, I know this thread is not about talking homosexuality itself, but about the BYU letter. But let me say that why hasn't been homosexuality accepted by our forefathers and their forefathers? Were they quite wrong? Are we more liberal and more "christian" like than they were? Or are we more decadent and more offenders in view of our faith?

ok - but no one can say I haven't tried it. It's only one, but strong enough for eight - agree?

I think your translation is much better than mine. But I surely found it funny (Missouri sounds like misery, but I didn't catch it was because of the climate there). But I found the state device (when I looked for Springfield and read s.th. about the history) so obviously profane that I wanted to joke about it. That's all. There are good jokes and not so good ones. That's a real misery.

The official device of the State of Missouri is Salus populi suprema lex esto; that means the salvation of the people is the highest national objective. Not misery.

One question: how did you locate it? By inspiration or science? And it's also 2 miles below sea level? It might be the hell? So the hell is under Missouri?

I wouldn't agree. But at least it might be possible that one is one's own center of his own universe.

Not exactly. As far as I know there might exist eight different ones of them. (See under quantum field theory). So he worships eight instead of one, and that's what will make it more difficult for the clever electrician.

And I say unto you again that he cannot save them in their sins; for I cannot deny his word, and he hath said that no unclean thing can inherit the kingdom of heaven; therefore, how can ye be saved, except ye inherit the kingdom of heaven? Therefore, ye cannot be saved in your sins. (Alma 11: 37) I wish I could give a better answer to you, but it seems to me that God wouldn't grant forgiveness without some important things you should do before coming unto him. There must be some understandings and avowals coming from you before God can give forgiveness, and this is something one might believe or not. And how should forgiveness work without the atonement? The only thing I can say and what I have learned from LDS is that this is part of the plan God has made for us to lead us back to him. I think, not to believe that atonement is necessary or it should not be necessary to hold on atonement would seem like turning away from belief, from an essential base of belief. A person who does not really believe would say: what about all that? If God exists he will certainly forgive automatically what I've done wrong. So why should I care about all this now? And this is not what I would define as a real Christian belief. You see what I mean? It's the unbelievers and offenders of God who reject any kind of atonement. That's the difference one should be aware of, to say it in my own words.

Seen from our point of view the Earth might even be the center of the universe ... and by the way who could exactly define where the center of the universe should be located?

And even if the gluons were responsible for keeping the nucleus (including the positively charged protons) together, and they were not only a "made-up dream", I wouldn't mind or reject this scientific realization. It wouldn't affect my faith. Researches on quantum field effects and phenomena still are going forward, and there will even be more answers given to the scientists of fundamental research stepwisely, but constantly (remember CERN in Switzerland, which is the worldwide biggest and efficient particle accelerator, where important experiments will be carried out). One might be a good electrician ("Like charges repel each other!") but a bad scientist - why should not even equally charged electric particles love each other and hold desperately together, when they are so immensely tiny within the nucleus of the atom? They might be afraid of loosing themselves in the untold space.

I wouldn't think people believe that all Australians are like that and use holy scriptures for making cigarettes. And I don't think people believe that kangaroos could speak or use their bags for shopping.

I think it came from the Latin American indians, when the Spanish "conquestadores" landed there and saw how they smoked tobacco and tried it, too, and then brought it to Europe. But don't ask me why the indians did it. Perhaps it once came from the Lamanites, who might be assumed to have done many evil things, and therefore why should not be assumed to have invented rolling up tobacco leaves and inhaling the smoke? "And druggies claim pot is "natural" ... but it surely is in some way, as bad things (and I would say smoking "pot" is not a good thing at least) might have its own source in some kind of (super-) natural origin, that might be called "evil" ...

No, I guess you don't have to worry about that. But even if it was like that, what could be worse than being imprisoned and impelled to use pages from the Bible as cigarette papers? Could there be any "fatwa" to make the situation even worse ...?

I would like to suggest Gospel Boards: "Learn about the Mormon Church".

That's exactly the point. I agree to this in a hundred per centual way.

Ha, ha. Good statement. :) (not ironic)