Faith_Grace

Almost every statement could be handled with humility by the wife, if she's humble enough and willing to really communicate. Without the wife's humility and meekness to take them in, nothing will change by these statements, they will just go on in the circle and find no way out. But the last statement is just a hard blow. Why can't the husband just leaves his sweet mommy alone, why why why?? As a wife, I'd hate to hear how great my mother in law is in the area that I'm seen as a total failure by my husband. As a mom, I'd never want to be mentioned in a fight between my son and his wife! (though my son is just 6 months old, I wish he'd never get me involved in his relationship with his wife. I gotta pray for that.haha). I will try to stay as far as possible.

"Comparing the experience they have with the Spirit with the LDS experience is like comparing a breakfast of donuts to a full and healthy meal. They are filling their bellies with things that are sweet to them, but it does not compare to the nourishment found in a real and complete meal. " I love this!!

I certainly read this scripture, but I've never noticed the reason it was given! Thank you very much! together with the scripture Moroni 10, it explains everything about HG perfectly then, I think. :)

Irishcolleen, Thank you very much for your neat and well organized reply! I love it. It makes sense! I generally don't like TV preachers neither, but this one was quite special. He was the one that practiced some "dark" mental power, that when he fight with others, he doesn't feel any pain. And he heard voices telling him to steal, and to do whatever that was bad. He hated himself, hated all people, and he actually planned suicide. Then, he said, in the interview, because of what he practiced, he could not understand Bible at all, not at all. (his mom was a believer). He one day was so angry, that he teared the Bible and stepped on it, spitted on it, and cursed God. He then felt someone hit him, physically, though he was alone in his room, and he fell, and he felt his heart beating really slow, like dying, then he heard someone saying "Forgive him, I forgive him." That's the first time, he witnessed Jesus. He went on with his experiences in the interview, it was just fascinating, that's why I searched to see what he'd been preaching. And then I saw this sermon, I love it, but the end just shocked me!

I would love to hear your opinion about this scripture. :) Do you think it's the Holy Spirit that got into the people that they would even fall, and they could unconsciously "speaking tongues"? Do you think it's the gift God gave them? I remembered this scripture, that's why I was so curious to know if it's really the Spirit. To me, when I was watching it, I didn't feel the same purity as I felt while watching the General Conference. But I definitely love the sermon, and their zeal and passion towards Jesus. I even got some "aha" moment. It just bothered me a lot at the end to see everyone fell...as they "received" the Spirit.

I got your point, but it was a general gathering, it's not just from one church, I would have went there too if I had been in Taiwan. There were popular singers and actors there too. It was really general. I don't think it's Satan of course, because it was really a good sermon. I was just really shocked by the scene. Everyone that was touched by the pastor fell on the floor! hehe And I never heard anyone from Taiwan in our church had this kind of experience with the HG.

I just watched a sermon that was held in Taiwan, it was a general christian gathering, from all different christian churches. The sermon was great, the pastor seems so passionate, and really devoted to the Lord. Then, at the end, there was something strange to me. People came to him, and as the pastor touched them, they all fell to the floor, and it was explained that they were touched by the Holy Spirit. I'm just curious, is it really possible? seriously? I don't know any LDS that was knocked off by the HG like that:p To me, when I feel the HG, it's always calm and peaceful and lovingl, I love it, I don't think I'd fall to the floor with this feeling. Does anyone know? I'm sure the pastor was good, he seriously preached for Jesus. This is what I like most from his sermon. "to feel the power of God, it not only depends on how much faith you have, but also how much you are willing to surrender to Him." Well, does anyone know about Holy Spirit knocking off people??

I'm just feeling insecure... when it comes to being loved, I'm always feeling insecure. greedy

That's a wonderful perspective to look at it! :) Thank you Traveler. This makes me feel better. :)

that's what I felt just now! Now I feel better, thank you! :)

To tell the truth, I was like your friend before, nobody can really help me, anything would just sound like an argument for me. Sometimes somethings no one can really help. You can bear your testimony, and you can pray for your friend, but she will not accept or appreciate anything you say or do in regard of religion until she herself is willing to truly investigate and pray for the help of the Lord to understand the scriptures. That's how it is for me. The moment I was willing to understand the scriptures, I prayed and I can see them as "they really are". ---every word testifies God is love. But I can't understand until I'm willing to understand. :)

LiterateParakeet (((hugs))). Thank you. I do feel better now after reading others replies, and receiving hugs. :) I'm just far from selfless... hehe

Thank you, annewandering, for replying. Wow, it sounds like you've got a lot to take in for your PB. Thank you for sharing this! Thank you. And thank you for your advice. :)

I truly agree with Sharky. I think those who are not the member of the church wouldn't understand why making a big deal of buying beer. Here is the most important issue. Your husband has been supportive of you attending the church, and he is interested himself. Making a big deal about beer at the moment really isn't wise. He would feel judged or forced by your standard which he doesn't share at the moment. This issue will definitely disappear on its own when your husband truly gets his own testimony and be converted. :) All the best to you and your family! Hold on. I understand it's hard. Love is the only key to bring someone to Christ. :) Don't let him feel judged.

Thank you, Sharky Maybe I'm just lacking of humility while reading it. I'm looking too much for proof of the Lord's love and care for me in my own way. I'll try to read it more humbly and prayerfully. Like you said, I've heard stories of others PB, so loving and sparkling, mine is just kind of humbling... and I don't sense the love I'd like to feel or hear. Thank you, I'll try to be more patient...