Pahoran

So "instructions" = "revelations"?

Srm, You are twisting "From this time forth, Joseph continued to receive instructions from the Lord" and "He would describe the ancient inhabitants of this continent, their dress, mode of travelling, and the animals upon which they rode; their cities, their buildings, with every particular; their mode of warfare; and also their religious worship. " into "From this time forth, Josept continued to receive revelations about the ancient inhabitants of this continent, their dress, mode of travelling, and the animals upon which they rode; their cities, their buildings, with every particular; their mode of warfare; and also their religious worship. " Nowhere does it indicate that this is the case.

Peace is also posting under an assumed name. She should be banned.

You are being pigheaded and putting out your opinions as facts and then whining when somebody dares point out that your opinions are not based in reality. Grow up and join the real world. If you cared to show that you had even a shred of credibility, you'd stick to the argument and not refute it with "Joseph Smith said so, and that makes it true". Do you even know how stupid you sound?

Yeah, I am dying to hear that theory. What "rights" are you talking about. Where did they get those rights? That's right. Mormons are not humanists. I forgot. Please forgive my ignorance.

And there's another brilliant argument (note: sarcasm alert). Geeze Paharon, whoever you really are, instead of spending money on a computer and internet access, you could have fed a family of 4 in the Sudan for 3 years; instead of buying a leather belt, you could have used twine and spent the difference buying bus fare to spend a runaway back to Iowa... I spent that money supporting Christian terrorism. Doesn't that count?

As opposed to equal rights advocates? Yes.

Yes, and now they put out millions of dollars that could be going to feed the homeless people in Canada into opposing alternative marriage styles in an effort to appear mainstream Christians. Go figure.

Excuse me? What exactly is it that you are considering to be offensive? The fact that Moroni told Joseph things that just aren't so? Or what?Can somebody that isn't Peace please explain where Cal or I have stepped out of bounds on this thread by merely discussing facts?

LOL! Everything that he got wrong. Should we compile a list?

That sounds correct. Moroni lied to Joseph about who the Native Americans are, as evidenced by DNA testing. Moroni was obviously sent by Lucifer to lead Joseph astray, which he did quite sucessfully. Please continue....

Absolutely! What if Lucy Mack's father declared Joseph Smith to be a fraud? Would that be true too?

That was an awesome refutation! Great job! Way to go! Woohoo!

This is what we call "humor". Ha ha ha.

Why should Richard Abanes or his readers assume that Joseph actually received a revelation on the subject? Abanes is presenting his view, i.e. Joseph Smith wasn't a prophet and was therefore making up stories. How does that make Richard Abanes a liar? Could you cite dates for me then? A. Does that make it true? B. If you don't know the specifics of these visions or of the stories that he would tell, then how can you conclude that the stories were not fabrications? C. You said revelation before. Are you now claiming "vision"? Please clarify.