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Sorry, I still do not understand how to do it.

Sorry, I do not know how yet.

I think I should like to unsubscribe from this particular thread.

On the farm where I grew up, there just was not the oportunity, and I deathly feared my stepfather who I thought my actually kill me. It was very different times. Now days there is very suggestive TV (this when it could have been an educational tool), video games with women represented as lust crazed objects, inattentive, self absorbed, materialistic parents, and we are surrounded by scoffers. Though I find birth control for teens personally abhorent, I am not going to criticise any parent that uses it on their children. I do think that the parents and the child will lose Heavenly Fathers best blessings.

You're right, no one yelled at me, but I felt very insecure because I was going to say something that I knew would reveal my profound ignorance.

OK, don't yell at me please? So, in evangelical land, it was generally thought that the Bible was cannonized at the council of Nicea. Recently, I was watching a video, could have been an LDS video, and found out that the Bible in its entirety did not exist until Wycliff translated it into English. So, I am still sorting through all this, and may have made some mistakes in my conclusions.

If I remember correctly this knowlege about Thomas is recently discovered by the West; in the last 20 years. I personally don't place a lot of credence in the organisers of the NT because they did the council of Nicea after the great apostacy began, and I think they excluded books that should have been there. It is not actually a belief for me; rather more of a suspicion. Were Joseph Smith alive today, I wonder how he would have dealt with books like the Book of Nicodemus, the Book of Mary, and other "Non-Canonical" Writings. Please keep in mind that I am very correctable, and I am an amateur biblical history researcher, so I know that some of my conclusions may not be correct.

It is apparently the place where Thomas was murdered. It was discovered in the last 20 years that he went to India and started a church and it is apparently still there. Google returns Corehandal, East Indies, but not give a location.

Wow, this is a question I did not expect on an LDS board. I'm thinking, let her carry the baby. (the baby is not an "it") I raised a family and know how hard it can be. Abortion, absolutely NOT.

When I was a child, no female left the farm in anything but a dress, arms covered and scarf. Gee that was rural Oregon in the 50's. Now days, in the summer, I constantly see young women out in spagetti strap mini dresses that barely covers their utmost. Of course, being new to the LDS culture, it is pleasantly conservative, but no where near as conservative as what I just came out of. AND, males are conditioned from 12 (?) to be part of the priesthood; the guardians of the faith. So, college age makes this dude somewhere between 18 and 24? The peak years of serum Testosterone are probably on him and the weight of his responsibility is probably a bit overwelming to him. On the farm in the 50's he'd have been worn out from bucking hay, and Mom would have locked her in her room until she finished getting dressed. There was no FB or Twiddle then, only a 4 party line. I'll go to bed giggling about the folly of youth.

I never saw it as harassment, and I think that those who do are going a bit over the top. This whole matter is being blown out of proportion, and as one commentator mentioned, it is such a non issue that BYU is not commenting on it. I am sure that we all will be laughing about it in the years to come.

This is so funny! :) When I was much younger, um well I can't really say how much I wanted to be like totally wild, and by the mercy of Heavenly Father, I somehow survived the times when I wore only ounces of clothes. I mean I wanted to please God, but when a party came round, I really tried to be like all wanton and desirable. At one party, I knew there were drugs around, and asked someone for some LSD, but the two guys I was trying to impress looked at each other and shook their heads. "No, you are not getting any LSD". They and their dates took me out for breakfast right after. Apparently they thought I was too much the "church lady". Wasn't that long after the I converted to Islam and all thought of those things was smothered under an abaya and hijab. I imagine that this young lady will get through these times and hopefully she will continue to encounter people who are good and protective. Deep down, she has to realise, doncha think?

And yes, I was joking. :)

Well, I totally get the deodorant, cologne thing. I have big time breathing problems when I get around that stuff. It's like totally funny to find um "religious police" in the LDS University. In Saudi Arabia, they are called Mutaween. Hmmm. Maybe not SO much difference between Islam and LDS. LOL

Well, finally got motivated to actually go to FB and look her up an SEE the outfit. Hmmmm As a brand new member, with membership record number, :) , well I haven't seen anything that short in church. I did wear a pink and white shirt dress that was about knee length but with leggings; more the Salwar Kameeze look, and later got the talk about pants not being allowed in church. Hmmmm. It was a very indirect, um talkin to, so my feelings weren't hurt. I wasn't even sure it was about what I had worn. If she were my daughter, NOPE girl not to church, but that is just me.

There are so many factors in this... I am hoping that she learns from this. There really is little need to "push things" but we all do it. It's a good thing that I am too old to act on some of my clothing impulses. LOL Back in the day... NOPE! There are so many reasons that they guy did what he did. So, I forgot if this is college age or high school. At any rate youngsters that age are all about getting their brains to unfog. Personally a Mini dress with leggings? I couldn't make it work for me.

I don't wish to sound sacrilegious or anything. I don't understand the idea of the Temple or special clothing but I have learned that rather than say it is silly or I don't believe in it, I have learned to just put so many things on the shelf and wait until I do understand. Right now, I am struggling to addapt to a new cultural experence for me. Prayer is very special to me, as is service to others. The rest, I just do not know about. The LDS culture is very different to me; about as different as adapting to Muslim culture was. Of course, I was Muslim in America only, so did not experience some of the cultural/tribal things that Muslims in other countries do. So far, I have no issues with LDS culture and everyone has been gentle and kind, though I am warned that there are those out there who are "having a bad day".

Um, well that just shows you what I know. :) OK, so I don't know any name for them but some of the slang terms, but I thought that both genders wear tops and bottoms of spiritual significance, though no one has spoken of them to me yet. I almost always have my arms, neck and ankles covered, so no one would know anyhow.

I have a while to wait for Temple privileges:whip:, and no one has talked to me about the garments, but I thought I had heard that you only wear them at the Temple? In Islam, there was lots of variation around the "norm", as far as clothing. I saw it as a sort of game where the most conservative dressers were super spiritual. I always observed Hijab, but there was always someone who was "more perfect". :whip

There are some lovely Temple Dresses at DI for less than $10. It is what I will use. :)

In Islam, it is always the woman's fault if some man can not control himself. In Christianity 8.1 women are still being flogged over the apple incident. I think that she just needs to blow this guy off. He's probably not husband material anyhow. Maybe she should ask him if he would prefer she wear Burqua? Ooops sorry, now that I am a newly numbered member, I must behave. Lds is new to me. Women are not always the "fall women".

I am not sure how this thread popped up again. No one had replied to me. Hmmm perhaps I am supposed to say something, so I will sort of journal here for a minute. There is no more doubt about converting to "Mormonisim", because I have, in separate study, now learned more and find that Heavenly Father has me exactly where he wants me to be, finally I listened! Wallah (I swear it in the name of God.) There are far too many things happening right now to write them all down. It is too wonderful for me, and I know that I do not deserve to be treated so well...

I meet with him again on Thursday. :)

Well, that is a great suggestion, and I had the germ of an idea to approach him like that and I just hope that my emotions don't interfere. Part of this issue is that in Islam, women are not to argue with men because they say we get too emotional; it is forbidden. So there is that to overcome. Heavenly Father will guide us.

While reflecting on the incident, I realised that his voice sounds somewhat like my very abusive stepfather. The realisation has had the effect of giving me a bit of peace on the matter. I will do my best before Heavenly Father, and perhaps we shall both learn from the experience. :)