Aphrodite
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we are all different and have different opinions. Just because they are sleeping in the same bed doesnt mean they will necesarilly breaking the law of chastity tho. I 'slept' with lots of men before I got married thru camps, sleepovers etc. I shared a bed with my hubby before we were married when we got stranded in a city one night. I also shared a bed with my ex. I never 'broke' the law of chastity tho. Thats wy I dont have a problem with it. I think members think if u are sleeping in the same bed (even just one night) you must be having sex. However, I respect peoples right to prohibit this in theIr homes. I just said I personally dont have a prblem with it.
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I agree callings take an awful lot of personal time. DH is currently GD teacher and spends hours a week preparing his lesson. Last week he had an extra job on and was working from 7.30 am till 10pm. He literally barely had time to eat a meal never mind prepare a lesson so he aslked someone else to do it. The wife of the sunday school president got the right hump interrogating him as to why he wasn't doing the lesson. I thought, chill out love, we all have lives its not always possible. I think people need to be more understanding when it comes to callings.
That sometimes means getting creative or sleeping less, including getting up earlier, going to bed later, and making use of commuting time and breaks at work."
Is this writer kidding?? So you have to SLEEP LESS which is bad for your health, and cram in things to your precious breaks or commuting time? DH often says to me how much he enjoys his drive time as its his personal time to chill out and relax with his music in the midst of this busy world and life. But to say we need to forget that and try to fill it with something else 'worthwhile' I think is asking for trouble. That writer makes it sound as if you have to be on the go from dawn till dusk, constantly doing things. If I or my husband did that we'd be heading for a breakdown. You need time to chill out and relax, that is not wrong its NEEDED!!!
" “Life can be crazy,”
It certainly would be MORE crazy if we all followed this writers advice. There is also nothing wrong with MP3 players. I think that its misleading to put something in like that. I understand the point the writer is trying to make, but to say that MP3s etc are a negative thing is way over the top. Once again, I travel a lot and have an ipod. It keeps me sane. Music is a big part of me and hubby's life. If we put on our music it de-stresses us, and by the end of a few songs we're smiling and maybe having a dance round the living room or moving to the music in the car. If I didnt have my music, I would have gone insane by now with my thoughts, hashing over all our problems over and over. music stops that and chills me out. I dont know how anyone can say that is a distraction.
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I think it is called "rationalization".
I have never been so hot as these last few years in the sweltering heat of south Georgia. Hi 90's...no breeze...so humid that 5 minutes outside has me dripping sweat. However, I mow the yard with my garments on. I would rather wear them, than not.
That might be a little excessive. Even tho I dont wear garments any more my stake pres told me before I went to the temple that taking them off for physical activity is ok. Id say thats physical activity.
I don't think it's rationalisation to actually look after your health. I fainted at work in the blistering heat while I was wearing garments-overheating, methinks???? My hubby has stopped wearing his for work (he's a decorator) as he sweats so much it's causing him to break out in spots because of the dirt and grease associated with his work mixed with sweat, is being held in by the garments.
Also, he has some problems with ahem down below also due to sweating. He was wearing garments, joggers and overalls-3 layers. The doctor told him not to wear 'cheap' cotton or too many layers as overheating can exacerbate the problem. Judging by the cut and feel of the garments they are definitely not designer-they are cheap. So he has stopped wearing them. Since then no spots or problems-everything has cleared up. Plus being too hot down below for a man is meant to maybe make it difficult to have kids. Im sure no member would want ANYTHING to get in the way of them having kids. Even garments.
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This is quite a difficult situation as you are torn between keeping your standards, yet respecting your family's choices. I personally wouldn't want alcohol in my house or smoking. I wouldn't have a problem with anyone sleeping together if they weren't married tho, I dont see any problem with that. The alcohol and smoking may affect me directly, but sleeping in the same room as your partner-that does not affect me atall.
I think the way around it would be to be really open and approachable-like rather than just laying down the rule,saying something along the lines of, 'listen eceryone, I really have no problem with you doing X, Y and Z. However, I feel uncomfortable with it in my house. If you wish to do this, please feel free, but not in my home. Thanks for understanding everyone!!!'
It looks like this did not work with your Mum. People can be so rude. Yet if she puts her foot down she looks like the baddie. Its hard.
I think members are so hell-bent on people respecting their wishes that they forget they need to respect other people too! If the Uncle and the grown up kids have not been active for years, would it have crossed their minds you had a problem about them sharing a room? Were they warned before they came over? That way there's no misunderstandings.
My Sister and her boyf live together. My Dad is not happy about it but he accepts its her choice. Im not sure he would agree to them sleeping together under his roof tho. However, we are all thinking about going on holiday together and he knows he cant do anything about it then, he has to accept her choice. I think as long as members dont come across as preacy or demanding, just respectful yet firm-thats the way to do it.
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There two different forms of usage that aided Joseph Smith: Urim & Thummim [see Wentworth Letter] and later when he found a Seer stone in a local well, he used that instead. The Urim and Thummim was designed for people of larger statue, namely the people of Jared. [book of Ether].
A good start in understanding on how, who, when, and what was used is the PDF article you can find online - Joseph Smith: "The Gift of Seeing" by Packard Van Wagoner and Steve Waker.
HUH? He used a stone he found in a WELL? See this is why I have so many problems with the church-Why dont I know that? How dodgy does it make the whole translation process sound? Why was I taught he used the Urim and thummim but the whole seer stone thing was edited out? I just dont get it.
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JonnyLingo, I had a real bust up with a friend about 5 years ago. His behaviour was disgusting and I haven't spoken to him since. In fact if Ive ever seen him at church or whatever I would just give him these looks to let him know how I felt. About 3 months ago he messaged me on facebook saying why do you still hate me? I couldnt belive he didnt know so I went into a long explanation about it. He said, ok I was young and stupid and Im sorry. I thought about this and I said fair enough. However, I saw him at a wedding 2 weeks ago and neither of us approached each other. It was like an unspoken agreement between us that we dont hold this grudge anymore, but we dont necesarilly have to be friends either. So it worked that way for us. I lost a friend but it wasn't a big loss really as I found out. I respect him for apologising but I have no desire to be his friend anymore. So it is possible.
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It depends what context I hear it in. I dont know why but I have always felt really uncomfortable hearing either, even before I started losing my faith. If I hear it now used by a non member my ears will prick up as most people I know out of the church dont know im a member so I would wonder why they are gtalking about it as the church is still very little known here really-most people havent heard of it. Then I would start to panic, thinking about what they might say. id probably walk away if I could so I wouldnt have to be invilved in the conversation.
If I heard it from a member...I wouldnt think anything.
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I agree too. Scouting is an American thing anyway, its not a worldwide church programme, as far as I know its only the US that have it. The church is slightly different in America to the rest of the world. We have no scouting whatsoever connected to the church here in the UK. We do have camps tho.
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Yes, i said once, and will say as many times as needed: ANY PROBLEM CAN BE SOLVED THROUGH HUMBLE/MEEK PRAYER, ANYTHING CAN BE UNDERSTOOD!
Really? So why is there still illness and suffering in the world? Why is my father in law still ill? Prayer may help some people with comfort but it does not solve problems. If that was the case my in laws would have a much happier life to the one they have. And they have probably prayed enough for eveyone in the world twice over!! Im sure some people gain a degree of comfort from prayer but it does not solve problems. If I pray and say, God, why did Joseph Smith have so many wives? What sort of answer can I possibly get thats valid from a 'feeling' as how else is he going to answer me?
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I know a member that worked as a bar-tender, his stake president told him just as long as it isn't a temptation for him to drink, he'll be alright.
That being said.if you have any further concerns then maybe you should consult your Bishop or Stake President.
Really? I was thinking about getting a part-time job as a bar maid but my husband was dead against it. He said 'obviously thats a no-no'. I said why, its in the evenings, u can get tips and its not like id be drinking. Dont see it as any different to working in a film-rental place or a shop-I worked in a newsagents and sold cigarettes so whats the difference?
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I think when people worry too much and try to hard in the dating scene in the church. I was never bothered about dating or boys-I was always having too much fun with my friends and enjoying my life. Yet I had several boyfriends before I started dating my husband-who was in fact a long-time friend anyway. I think the reason for this was I didnt come accross as needy and desperate. I came across as a fun girl to be around who was feminine but not high maintenance-thats obviosuly what blokes were looking for-at one point I had 3 men all vying for my attentions! Just try to relax. Slowly get to know people and dont be thinking about potential dating all the time. Just get to know people as friends. Then the dates will come :)
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Ocean, my initial problems with the church did not begin with Joseph Smith, they began with the temple. It was only when I started to research the history of the temple that I came accross all the other problems with the church, including Joseph Smith.
It is probablky very difficul to gain an unbiased answer-on here members generally wont accept Jospeh was anything other than a wonderful prophet, and any doubts you may have can be solved by prayer. If you pursue it, they are likely to get angry and start accusing you of being anti or causing trouble. Ive seen it many toimes on here *sigh*
However, other non LDS sources are also likely tpo bend the truth and make things up to make the church look worse. So it is a difficult situation. Im sure you'll agre however, praying is really not going to give you the answer you need. What some people on here have essentially said is just ignore it, as long as you have a testimony thats all that matters. I really dont agree. If we believe in a church, do we not have the right to know its history?? I dont think anyone on the planet would disagree apart from the members themselves, desperate to uphold the churches reputation.
I too want to read rough stone rolling although Id have to order it online probably. All I can say to you is from my experience, gaining answers is a difficult and long process and Im still confused now. I frequwnt a really good site similar to this for people who have doubts and questions about the church but dont necessarilly intend to leave. Ive got some great answers there I think it might be better than here. They are always forthcoming with information and facts on topics such as this too. If you're interested, pm me and ill tell u the link. :)
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I am limimted to only 30 minutes on the computer per day. That is going to really suck. All well, it'll be worth it.
Uh why are you limited to 30 mins a day? Who has the right to impose such restrictions???
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I have a few questions:
* What doctrine is being referred to here?
The doctrine that God once lived as we do now. The LDS believe that 'worlds' like ours are created, serve their purpose and will then be celestialised. They believe that we are not the only, or indeed first world out there. There are many worlds, each with their own God. LDS believe that faithful members can become Gods one day and create their own worlds. So following this belief would mean the God we believe in is one of those individuals who has lived a life on earth, and become a God in his own right. It is quite heavy and complicated doctrine, but that is essentially what the LDS believe. I hope this is helpful.
* Is this a revelation?
The church does believe this is revelation, yes.
* Is this taught by the LDS Church?
Yes, we are taught that God was once a man, like us. Its all in the Doctrine and covenants I believe, some of the more scripturally minded people here can point in the direction of those scriptures if you wish Im sure!
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I testify to you that our Father in Heaven never will allow us to be tested more than we can bear. I can say with conviction that He will put us right up to the edge so that we can reach for Him when it feels like there is no hope left. It is then that He will show us His true power and that the power that we receive in overcoming the adversary and the world is greater than we can imagine when our hearts are fully turned to Him.
I know you probably mean well by saying this skalenfehl, but I think its a little presumptuous and patronising to say to someone who is obviosuly struggling, that they wont be tested more than they can bear. Its no comfort, in fact, it makes things worse when Ive heard it used before.
Its probably no small comfort to my MIL either who has basically a crap life. She has a terminally ill disabled husband who she cares for at home 24/7-she can hardly leave the house-a daughter who has mental health problems and has had suicide attempts, no money because she cant work-then her sister dies in january. then her mum dies in march. then her husband nearly died 3 weeks ago, and will die, altho we dont know when. When her husband was in the ambulance going to hospital she looked at me and said, I cant do this again, I WONT do this again I CANT DO IT! She was almost hysterical. Can u blame her? Are you saying that this is ok, that God's only taking her to her limits??? Some God in that case. And I dont actually think she can bear it-anything else and she will crack. Im sure the OP feels that he has been tested beyond his limits and he cant cope at times. So Im just making a point that that statement, is a fallacy. We can repeat it like a mantra over and over in our heads and convince ourselves its true, but it isnt.
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As a Mother of 4 and former Playground Supervisor at an Elementary School, I could only suppose you have very little experience with children to have made such an interesting comment...
Little children often make fun of those who are different from themselves in looks or behavior... They are young, and don't know any better... That is why good parents teach them not to...
Just something to consider before you judge another's children...
Silver Girl
I wasn't judging her children, it just sounded weird-but she explained herself and now I get it. And no I dont have a lot of experience with children apart from being in primary and my 2 step brothers. Children are scary I stay away from them where I can lolololol
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Absolutely! Thank you! I do, and have, taught my children that they are to live what they believe and know to be true, not what they see others doing. A dear family member of ours smokes. Not only have I taught my children that smoking is bad for their health and that they should never smoke, but I have taught them that they are not to judge or make fun of this family member who smokes. He is just as precious to Heavenly Father as they are!
This seems a bit strange to me-its as if they will automatically make fun of them and you ae having to teach them not to!!
I live in Georgia where the state lottery funds the Hope Scholarship. I have known MANY LDS faithful who have gone to college on this Hope Scholarship. Though they would never dream of actually buying a ticket for themselves, they went to school on the funds from people who did purchase a ticket.I dont see whats so bad about buying lottery tickets. It funds good causes and you can win some for yourself. Everyone wins!!!
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That is like saying, why can't men have child birth!
WHAT??!!! How in any way is that the same????? We are not talking about a physical impossibility, we are talking about a possibility that is a no no.
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Jena a post like this has been needed for some time. I have been questioning the church for some 3 years now. Initially I was shocked at the backlash I recieved. I too have been accused of reading anti-mormon literature, causing trouble and 'just looking for an argument'. I was so upset and surprised at this at first, fully expecting love and support. Sadly I have learnt this is not to be. In a way tho, these people, inclusind some on this board, have done me a favour as I now know how most mormons really think and feel about people going off the iron rod of mormonism. Im now very wary of members unfortunately, as there may be a self righteous, judgemental person underneath the charm offensive, just waiting for the oppurtunity to bite.
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Hi there gentle people of this wonderful new forum, i just found today.
As you may be wondering about the title, i will fill you in.
Im excommunicated from the church. But i want to get re-baptized and lead a full member life again. I want to go back to the temple. I want to sit in sacrement meeting and actually feel like i belong there.
I spoke to my Bishop about this and was told that, as long as i come to church every Sunday, i should be able to get re-baptized after about 2 years.
Well its been over 2 years and im still not re-baptized.
Reason is, the job i do means im working every Sunday. Sometimes day shift, sometimes night shift. This means that i should be able to go, every 2 weeks. The problem is, when i first got the job, i wasnt used to night shift, so slept all day. Ive now got it sorted and am able to get to church once every 2 weeks. But because of the way things worked in the beginning, the church see's me as less active, and i need to go 3 weeks in a row, in order to be classed as active.
So what happens if i manage to go 3 weeks in a row? Well, i have to be active for 2 years. And that 2 years starts from scratch, everytime i become "less active", so meaning that, non of the last 2 years count towards my 2 years active. That means, that if i happen to be ill on the week im supposed to go to church and cant go, im back to being inactive and have to start from scratch again, since i missed 3 weeks in a row.
I though that i could explain this to my Bishop and to get alittle help, or to prove myself some other way, But i was told no. It has to be this way or no way.
So although i love the church and believe in it with all my heart. Im not a member and probably never will be. I hope that you can allow me to be here and participate in your discussions. I will understand, if you wish to put restrictions on me and will gladly follow them. All i want is to be is part of the church and to talk to members. As i said, i will follow any restrictions you wish to impose.
Thank you
Lost_one
That doesnt seem fair atall cosidering I know several people who's work requires them to work sundays or be sleeping from shifts. Yet they're not ex'ed. Seems like a double standard to me.
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If being "cooler" is more important than the covenant you made at the Temple with God, what can I say? I am sad that you failed to recognize the importance of is after it has been given to you.
Dont be sad, Im not. Im happier.
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At work, my boss and coworkers and I were discussing alcohol and drugs. I brought up the fact that I believe alcohol should be outlawed, along with all illegal drugs.
If this is really what you believe then maybe your co-worker has a point. Just because YOU dont agree with alcohol doesnt mean it should be outlawed. Don't you believe everyone should have freedom of choice?? I would be cringing if I was there listening to that conversation as you can come accross as 'preachy' when things like that are said. Im extremely cautious with what I say to people. I dont agree with smoking or drinking, but I would never deny anyone else the choice to partake of these things. Do we not live in a free world???
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Im so sorry to hear about your sister. We have a lot of illness in the family too. Prayer has never worked. I have now given up praying for the reasons you stated-the outcome will be the same whether you pray or not!! It makes no difference. What will be will be. I sincerely hope your sister will pull through :)
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What I found out was that the Brits talk funny like that ALL THE TIME. And they spell stuff weird, too.
LOL No YOU lot are the ones who spell things wrong!!! haha.
I have heard that they sometimes have interesting 'articles' on page 3.
Ah yes that would be page 3 of The Sun-Its what my husband reads-very popular on building sites where he works!!!
What are your guidelines for purchasing modest clothing?
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I wasnt trying to convince anyone. I merely stated the facts. Its upto people to take what they want from it.
Maybe she cant remember. I certainly cant. I keep being told I made all these covenants and promised to do this that and the other-As far as I know I never did anything like that I just went and did what I was told. It was so long ago now tho that I cant remember. In fact its 3 years a week today!!