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Hi Carborendum The LDS version of Adam is or is not the exact version of traditional Christianity ?You said "pretty much" which leads me to believe that the two are not . Simply put ,do you know of any THING other than man that has the capacity to hate? I do not know of anything other than man that has the capacity to hate. No one has come forward and showed evidence that animals has the capacity to hate.No animal has came forward and demonstrated that it has the capacity to hate.Do you know of any? Just a yes or no will do.Not a "could be." Another said ,as an example,"an animal will have a great aversion to a master that beats it,,therefore ,it could be said that the animal hates it's master"."Could be " is not an answer.But it is asserting knowledge of the matter which did not provided an answer or prove "could be",where a yes or no answer would have been just fine.. I am not on the end of proving the "can't".What suitable animal subject would you suggest I question?But all of this said so far is not answering my question. It is a simple yes or no,end of story question and this has already had over 100 views and not a yes or a no answer. At this point I believe the response will only grow and grow with out a simple answer for a simple question which it is beginning to do. For everyone who responded to this condensed paper,Serpent Is His Name, I wrote last year, thank you.

personO But is the Adam you speak of the Adam of the Bible or the Adam of LDS Definitions of hate is from Webster . Do not you use it too?. If animals can hate then can you prove it. What do the scientist say? Well, they cannot conclude I checked.Will you check too? Then you say "it could be said that the animal hates it's master"-that is not conclusive.

anatess2 My reply to your statement You did not say,from my previous post, if there were more than one Adam,a LDS Adam or Biblical Adam So ,from my paper Do you know of any THING other than man that has the capacity to hate? This is an easy yes or no question If your prophets were here I will ask them the same.Will they come? Thanks for your reply

anatess2 Unless there is more than one Adam.,the LDS Adam or the Biblical Adam

hi anatess2 I have read Moses 1.34 I have demonstrated there was man before Adam God created man at Gen. 1.24 they were called ,by the Jewish historians ,beasts of the Earth Man, like Serpent, was created earlier than Adam but the historians did not recognize them and called them beasts. So this paper does affect Moses 1.34 in that he was not the first man regardless of pre mortal existence,as well as the Christians,Jews and others who use the Bible Thanks for your reply

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This posted so I will continue. References to man being called beasts. Jer.12.9-17 v9-animals cannot know God v17 a nation is called beasts Num.31.11 possessions taken from beasts-spoils Num.31.26 the sum of possessions taken from beasts.Beasts owned property Ex.19.13 not a hand touch it,wether man or beast.Beasts have hands? Deut.7.22-25 beasts of the field have kings and carvings of their gods Jona 3.8 man and beast wear sac cloth and pray loud to God Lev.20.16 At first it seems like immorality with animals howevertheir blood shall be upon them is a reference to breaking a law.Capitol punishment.What does an animal know about capitol punishment? 2 Pe.2.12-14 What animals have eyes full of adultry? Isa.43.20 beasts of the field cannot worship to honor God unless they are man Jer.31.27 The beasts will marry into the house of Israel and Judah.This will make many people half Jew Ezek.36.11 beasts will increase and bring you fruit Zech.8.10 how much would a beast charge for a day's work? 2Pe.2 12-14 beasts riot ,talk and deny God.Animals cannot know God Yes there is more than these To show there was racial slurs going on in Jesus's day Mk.7.25-30 and Mt.15.21-29 "cast it unto the dogs"(Gentiles) This "saying" was being used in Jesus's day.It reads he said a racial slur.He got tagged for saying it.If Jesus would have spoken this he too would be saying recist remarks.It is not his nature or God's. A reply to Christians who know the Bible Four points to consider 1-Some say Satan was in the garden manipulating Eve.Untrue.It specifically states Serpent is a beast of the field .And Satan if an angel Jesus said angels cannot reproduce therefore Satan does not have seed as Serpent does. 2-The Jewish historians traced their lineage back to Adam and stopped 3-Racial slurs covered up the existance of man and Serpent was a man 4-Only man can hate.This qualifies Serpent as a man who lived during Eve's life.Serpent had family .He could not be born without them

In a previous thread I stated that Adam was not the first man.I stated I have written a paper giving proof collected from the KJV. During the discussions I was asked to share this paper so I will.The foregoing is condensed ,it is not the full paper.This is being stated in the Christian section however Christianity use the same Bible ,the KJV but has yet to discover this I am about to show,as well as all other groups who use the Torah or KJV in their religion.. Title :Serpent Is His Name. It goes as follows,the current written record that Adam was the first man is not true.The Jewish historians covered up the truth.The Torah which covers the history of man and his creation has been in the possession and has been maintained by the Jews since it was first inked into written form.Therefore it is by them the creation story was modified to read Adam was the first man. The Jewish historians however failed to cover up how they did it.They only trace their history back to Adam and stop.They left important pieces of the puzzle allowing their modified story to someday unfold the real truth. They knew Serpent was a man. There are two major points that seperate man from animal. 1--animals cannot worship,only man can know God. 2--Only man can hate,animals cannot Do you know of any THING other than man that has the capacity to hate? Gen.3.1 KJV ONLY Uncovering Serpent's name. "Now the serpent was more subtile than any beast of the field." Clarification "Now Serpent was more subtile than any beast of the field." Now we have his name Sarpent is a man in that 1-speaks Eve's tounge 2-Knows how to manipulate 3-knows about God 4-Knew God's law 5-Capacity to hate- Capacity to hate Gen.3.15 KJV ONLY "And I will put enmity (hatred) between thee and the woman and between thy seed and her seed" Again, only human can hate Define seed----descendants,offspring,progeny,family,ancestors and extended family So Serpent had family as well as Eve and both had hatred for the other's family. For Serpent to born he had parents and his parents had parents.And seed implies Serpent had offspring.This is called seed and is called family. Eve could only go foward with offspring or extended family Gen.4.14-This hatred is the reason why Cain was afraid to leave home.Someone ,he said may kill him.The hatred from Serpent's seed. Beasts of the field Serpent meets all the qualifications of a human man,just as Adam.He was however called a beast of the field,a racial slur to this people he was .The Jewish historians left a consistent pattern ,trail of racial slurs or disparaging names to people not of Adam's blood. (The people who modified the creation story lived long ago.Those who they may be related to today should not be reflected upon) Other variants of beast of the field are beast beasts beast of the Earth and brute beasts Hebrew or other is not reliable in determining a quadraped or biped human.The historians made no distinction between the two , both were animals,beasts as they were called. One must consider the content in the verse and see if it is describing human or animal actions,conduct ,etc. I am going to stop here at this point to see if this much will post and will continue after that

And from the input given I have listed this information on the sealed portion. And am asking if any one has got a possible hit on the descriptions while searching the world for it. Does LDS search or wait for it?

Thanks , Ill refer back to this post for continued clarification

Heiio Carborendum New member here ,Non LDS I am referring to what contains the history of the world that is not yet revealed. And which one do you say it is? THanks

So far there are 5 identifiers to recognize the 'greater portion. Shall be read Shall be read from the housetops Contains history of the world Cause men to do good Will be revealed to the LDS servants of the LDS prophets.This would seem to me that authentication will only come from LDS

Jane Doe, Ill Say it this way The LDS prophets discover the greater portion. How will I ,non LDS, get access to it and read it

Thanks Jane Doe for your reply. Is "his servants" lds prophets or is there other prophets ? #4 again differently. Does Lds copy the greater portion and distribute it to the world or will the world go to LDS to be taught it?

Thanks for the replies Traveler From what I read from your reply is that revelations will occur only in the confines of the LDS temple or temples. Therefore revelation will only come through LDS.. Which leads me to believe LDS will be the authenticator of these revelations. And the greater portion is not material which someone like me could receive but must be taught. But Jane Doe, Is the greater portion to you a material with revelation in it ,on it ,etc.unlike Traverler's views. And to some questions 1--2Nephi.27.11 shall be read from the house tops-two parts here-(Notice housetops and shall be read)-This would seem to indicate the greater portion will be a material that one can be read by anyone and second part ,that we have our satellite dish as well as internet and other communication devices attatched upon the house tops 2--Nephi 27.10 history of the world(This would seem to indicate the material will reveal various of histories and origin of our Earth . And what takes place if someone claims the greater portion is discovered? The only mark of authenticity at this moment I have read is that it can be read from the housetops (we have that) and it contains the history of the world. Skalenfehl read it will cause men to do good.Anything else other than these three elements as validation? 3-Does LDS authenticate the greater portion ? 4-Does LDS distribute to the masses or does the masses come to the LDS to receive it?

New member here Honest Inquiry from non lds and from no lds book of Mormon knowledge I thought I would have received a good response last night . So Ill continue with a few more questions. 2Nephi27.11-shall be read from the housetops 2Nephi 27.10-history of the world I have read one lds member stated the sealed portion was advance and would cause confusion and because of that the sealed portion is being currently withheld. If the sealed portion is currently being withheld then can the portion be revealed to non lds so that the world may know? What if others are prepared for it? Or must the world be prepared for it too?Two clues I have are 1-read from the house tops.Is this not our internet,Tv,radio,etc 2-history of the world-Is there any material currently being published that provides material on the complete history of our world or possibly our universe since the world is contained therein?

It ha been a few days since I asked these 3 questions. The closest I got with question #1 was 'those who believe' but which believers? Are they answerable ?

personO I would have thought you would have caught that I I did not believe all of christianity's tenants early on in my posts. Anyway God is not omnificencent -He does not do all that is done This opens the door for all those who work for him to voluntarily make choices based on his will God's will is unchanging A choice means that things can change The Bible reads God is changeless This is my understanding Until next time,thanks for the docttrinal information

This has been a good evening Knowing you are west of me The sun will see me before you tomorrow so ill catch you on your ,as they say ,next post

A computer cannot love.A machine cannot love.Neither one can create ,they are at the mercy of a human and neither can love his children

personO The atonement from a christian perspective,not mine, is that it was necessary for ,the short version,to enter heaven once the remission of sin was complete. I believed LDS called themselves christians and since the atonement is a major tenant of christianity I would have never known there was differences. Is God Omniscient-All knowing If we believe God knows all things there will be no choice to make.A choice is based on two or more ,either or When one is Omniscient things are cut and dried, no options necessary,no decision has to be made simply because God knows the outcome in advance .

personO As I said Perfection does not need to ponder a choice Thank you also for you answer this is a wrap folks

personO Well your question was where i broad banded an answer till you became extremely specific since i do not know how much you follow chtistian atonement doctrines It is clear to me that you see the atonement was unnecessary since all will see resurection,as I understand it.

Perfection does not need to ponder a choice If God cloned himself there will be two Gods

Vort, nice to meet you, I dont understand you . I would like to receive an answer from personO about past answers.Did he study them or just do a fly by on them? I do not find my question offensive. And am I replying to a moderator?