LLC4269

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    LLC4269 reacted to Rob Osborn in Repentance after death   
    They obviously didnt have a knowledge of the missionary work amongst the dead wherein "works" are possible after death. This was also given before Christ was born and thus the bridge from paradise over to the spirit prison was not opened. Section 138 clarifies that the spirits who did evil in mortality can repent and accept vicarious ordinances performed in temples in their behalf and be judged as if they had  repented and accepted in mortality.
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    LLC4269 reacted to classylady in Repentance after death   
    We do know “that same spirit which doth possess your bodies at the time ye go out of this life, that same spirit will have power to possess your body in that eternal world.” And, I’ve heard it will be very difficult to change once we’re on the other side. But, I also believe that repentance would need to be available to everyone, even after we die.  None of us are perfect.  When we die we most likely will have sins that we committed that we didn’t get a chance to repent from. For example, we could have lost our temper at our kids and spouse and said something we shouldn’t have, and then dropped dead from a heart attack before having a chance to say you’re sorry and repent of your mistake. “No unclean thing can dwell with God”.  So, in my opinion there must be a means for all of us to somehow repent of our sins that we didn’t get a chance to resolve before our death.  And, that ties back to whatever spirit possesses us at the time we die.  If we have a repentant spirit, and believe in Christ and his atonement, and would have repented if we had the chance while on earth, then I believe that is how we will be after we die. If we have an unrepentant spirit, then that is most likely how we will still be after death.
    In my opinion, I don’t believe after we die that we will remember everything from our premortal existence. Missionaries are still needed on the other side of the veil (D&C 138). If we all remembered our premortal life, there wouldn’t be any need for the gospel to be taught. Everyone would know it. So, in my opinion, we will probably still be walking in faith on the other side of the veil.  Those who are in Paradise will have more knowledge of the Savior, perhaps for some, firsthand knowledge. Those who are in Spirit Prison may need the missionaries and family members to help them on their road to knowing and accepting their Savior. If they then see the error of their ways, then I would be hopeful that repentance plays a part for them. And I assume we will rejoice just as the father did in the parable of the Prodigal Son when his son saw the error of his ways and returned home.
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    LLC4269 reacted to NeuroTypical in Setting aside the church to keep a career?   
    So, I was assigned to hometeach a crotchety old sinner, who returned to activity because his wife had about had it with him.  He told us about his smoking and drinking.  We invited him to church.  He told us about his sinful past, we called him brother and my companion bought a wood splitter with him and they worked together at it.  He told us he refused to go to Elder's quorum because of the stupid horrible things some past EQP had said to him.  We said we understood, and that we were grateful he kept letting us in every month.  I figure his wife was doing much in the way of pushing and whatnot, but we did little to none of it.  After he gained a little trust that we weren't judgmental jerks like so many others in his life, he warmed up to us.  We brought a message, and answered stuff as it came up.  He came back to church, even started going to Elders quorum.  He was trying to jump in with both feet and be fully active.  He wanted to keep his wife, live clean.  His sinful past and lifelong bad habits, coupled with PTSD from Vietnam, often got in the way.  
    He asked us for advice once.  He had an opportunity to buy a bar.  He was struggling financially, his veterans benefits weren't helping, he was still years away from the military realizing he was fully disabled and couldn't work.  But his buddy would let him have the bar cheap, and he could run it.  He wanted to know what that would mean to us, and to church.  I told him if he bought the bar, we would still welcome him at church.  I would still be happy to sit next to him.  We would keep coming to see him as long as he'd have us.  It would probably keep him out of the temple, and not sure how others would treat him.  I mentioned that God might have an opinion on the subject, and if he hadn't sought it out, he should. 
    Well, he didn't buy the bar.  His vet benefits eventually got to where they should be, with back benefits attached.  He and his wife eventually did a multiyear stint as temple workers.  He has his spiritual ups and downs.  He was a counselor in the High Priests until someone set him off and he started leaving after sacrament again.  The other month a new bishop caught him, now he and his wife are teaching primary.  He is a mix of sin and righteousness, gratitude and shame, weakness and strength.  Kind of like all of us I suppose, except more of his stuff is out there in the open for all to see.
    I guess if "encouraging someone to live righteously" falls on a spectrum, I took the shallow end of the pool.  Not sure the contribution I've made to his last 20 years, but I don't think I've done wrong by him or by God.
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    LLC4269 reacted to NeuroTypical in Setting aside the church to keep a career?   
    In my ward, there's a lady who occasionally figures it's her job to mention other people's sins to them.  She has urged fat people to do a better job of obeying the word of wisdom.  She brings it up when she sees a hymnal on the floor, asking us to be more respectful.  She approached one of our young women who was walking around barefoot in the foyer, and asked her to be respectful and wear shoes.  The young woman was a barely-active struggling person, there because her mom had begged her to go.  I've not seen her at church since.
    I measure efforts like these in the amount of damage they do to my fellow humans.  I must say, whenever I see someone sinning in ways differently than me, I'm a fan of John 8:7 and Matthew 7:3-5. 
    No really, hey everyone, go read the dang link.  This is what righteous judgment looks like:
    #'s 2, 3, 4, and 5 come by less often than we seem to think.