Moving to Independence?

[Hemidakota]

I concur with Joseph F. Smith remarks since I have witnessed that one myself. I was the rear defending guard element.

[MrNirom]

A vision recorded by a LDS woman:

She was shown Missouri and saw that it was nearly completely desolate, though she did see a few people there.

She saw the march of Saints to the New Jerusalem that would now be headquartered there. She saw way stations along the trek to administer to the saints as they made their way to the New Jerusalem. She saw the gathering of righteous people from all over the world to that place of safety.

[Hemidakota]

Additional information from Howard and Martha Coray Notebook. Accurancy of this written journal entry is given also with a grain of salt.

19 July 1840

A few Item from a discourse delivered by Joseph Smith July 19 1840

Read a chap in [Ezekiel] concluding with this saying and when all these things come to pass and Lo they will come then shall you know that a Prophet hath been among you

Afterwards read the parable of the 12 olive trees and said speaking of the Land of Zion that It consists of all N. & S America but that any place where the Saints gather is Zion which every righteous man will build up for a place of safety for his children that The olive trees are 12 stakes which are yet to be built not the Temple in Jackson [County, Missouri] as some suppose for while the 12 olive stakes are being built we will be at peace but the Nations of the Earth will be at war.

our cry from the 1st has been for peace and we will continue pleading like the Widow at the feet of the unjust judge but we may plead at the feet of Majistrates and at the feet of Judges At the feet of Governors and at the feet of senators & at the feet of the Preidents for 8 years it will be of no avail. We shall find no favor in any of the courts of this government. The redemption of Zion is the redemption of all N & S America and those 12 stake must be built up before the redemption of Zion can take place and those who refuse to gather and build when they are commanded to do so cease to be Saviours of men and are henceforth good for nothing but shall be cast out and trodden underfeet of men for their transgression as Reed Peck was when he aplied in the name of an apostate for business in a store in Quincy They told him that they wanted no apostates round them and showed him the door At this same store the Authorities of this Church could have obtained almost any amount of credit they could have asked;

We shall build the Zion of the Lord in peace untill the servants of that Lord shall begin to lay the foundation of a great and high watch Tower and then shall they begin to say within themselves what need hath my Lord of this tower seeing this is a time of peace;Then the Enemy shall brak come as a thief in the night and scatter the servants abroad when the seed of these 12 Olive trees are scattered abroad they will wake up the Nations of the whole Earth Even this Nation will be on the very verge of crumbling to pieces and tumbling to the ground and when the constitution is upon the brink of ruin this people will be the Staff upon which the Nation shall lean and they shall bear away the constitution away from the very verge of destruction Then shall the Lord say go tell all my servants who are the strength of mine house my young men and middle aged &c come to the Land of my vineyard and fight the battle of the Lord—Then the Kings & Queens shall come then the rulers of the Earth shall come then shall ail saints come yea the Foreign saints shall come to fight for the Land of my vineyard for in this thing shall be their safety and they will have no power to choose but will come as a man fleeth from a sudden destruction—But before this the time shall be when these who are now my friends shall become my enemies and shall seek to take my life and shall be m there are those now before me who will more furiously pursue me and the more dilligently seek to my life and be more blood thirsty upon my track than ever were the Missouri Mobbers You say among yourselves as did them of old time it is I & is it I But I know these things by the visions of the Almighty.

But brethren come ye yea come all of you who can come and go to with your mights and build up the cities of the Lord and whosoever will let him come and partake of the poverty of Nauvoo freely for those who partake of her poverty shall also shall also partake of her prosperity. And it is now wisdom in God that we should enter into as compact a city as posible for Zion and Jerusalem and must both be built up before the coming of Christ This will near a half of a century How long will it take to do this 10 years Yes more than 40 years will pass before this work will be accomplished and when these cities are built then shall the coming of the Son of man

Now let all who can coolly and deliberately dispose of their property come up and give of their substance to the [poor?] that the hearts of the poor may be comforted and all may worship god together in holiness of heart Come brethren come all of you; And I prophecy in the name of the Lord that the state of Illinois shall become a great mountain and mighty mountain as a city set upon a hill that cannot be hid and a great that giveth light to the world and The city of Nauvoo als[o] shall become the greatest city in the whole world;

Curse that man who says to his neighbor you are a mean man because you do not believe as I do I now invite all liberall minded men to come up to Nauvoo and help to build up the city of our God We are not greatly distressed no nor ever will be This is the principle place of gathering therefore let the brethren begin to roll in like clouds and we will sell you lots if you are able to pay for them and if not you shall have them without money and without price

The greater blessing is unto those who come in times of adversity. For many will come to us in times of prosperity that will stand at the corners of the street saying with long pharisaical faces don to those that come after them dont go near Bro Joseph dont go near the authorities of the church for they will pick your pockets they will rob you of all your money Thus will they breed in our midst a spirit of dissatisfaction and distrust that will end in persecution and distress;

Now from this hour bring every thing you can bring and build a Temple unto the Lord a house into the mighty God of Jacob. We will build upon the top of this Temple a great observatory a great and high watch tower and in the top thereof we will Suspend a tremendous bell whi that when it is rung shall rouse the inhabitants of Madison wake up the people of Warsaw and sound in the ears of men [in] Carthage Then comes the ancient records yea all of them dig them yea bring them forth speedily

Then shall the poor be fed by the curious who shall come from all parts of the world to see this wonderful temple Yea I prophecy that pleasure parties shall come from England to see the Mamoth and like the Queen of Sheba shall say the half never was told them. School houses shall be built here and High schools shall be established and the great men of the [earth] shall send their sons here to board while they are receiving their education among us And even Noblemen shall crave the priviledge of educating their children with us and these poor saints shall chink in their pockets the money of these proud men received from such as come and dwell with us

Now brethren I obligate myself to build as great a temple as ever solomon did if the church will back me up. Moreover it shall not impoverish any man but enrich thousands I prophecy that the time shall be when these saints shall ride proudly over the mountains of Missouri and no Gentile dog nor Missouri dog shall dare lift a tongue against them but will lick up the dust from beneath their feet and I pray the father that many here may realize this and see it with their eyes. And if it should be (Stretching his hand towards the place and in a melancholly tone that made all hearts tremble) will of God that I might live to behold that temple completed and finished from the foundation to the top stone I will say Oh Lord it is enough Lord let thy servant depart in peace, which is my ernest prayer in the name of the L Jesus Amen on this day the Stake of Macedonia over which Father Jhon Smith presided was publicly appointed.

[Hemidakota]

A vision recorded by a LDS woman:

In my younger years, while vacationing in England with my parents, I had a vision of that land being desolated.

Edited November 14, 2008 by Hemidakota

[Hemidakota]

A vision recorded by a LDS woman:

I just remembered, there is another group from the north that is expected during that period of event known as the people of Enoch. Yes?

[MrNirom]

I just remembered, there is another group from the north that is expected during that period of event known as the people of Enoch. Yes?

Yes.. far north and deep inside from what I hear.

[deseretgov]

Yes the City of Enoch will come back to make up half of New Jerusalem.

[japacific]

Sorry where is the city of Enoch at the moment?

[Hemidakota]

Somewhere north, if I can say that term being a speck in our own galaxy, residing with the terrestial worlds at the moment. There are not here on this earth.

[japacific]

Where did you learn that?

[Hemidakota]

Which part?

[japacific]

That they are 'north in our galaxy residing with terrestrial worlds. And how does north work in the galaxy.

[Hemidakota]

Good question, since, what is north to an observer not of this earth? If we can view the heavens from our own observation point, looking north into the sky, what would we be looking at?

I will need to find the exact location, what Joseph Smith indicated was the earthly location of the City of Zion or Enoch. If my memory serves me right, it was the Caribbean area, while the lost ten-tribes were taken to the north where currently John resides with them. As Nirorm stated, the ten-tribes will return from the northern area when the New Jerusalem will be built.

Why terrestrial worlds? We do know from revelation, all immortal beings reside in a terrestrial state and not our current physical state called telestial. We do know by further revelation in D&C, they cannot reside in the same sphere since there is a vast difference of glory. I suspect, even the frequency of physical visional lightwaves are a lot higher than our in order to view them. If that is the case, they do not reside here at all but can minister onto those who are telestial beings consider being heirs unto salvation.

Edited November 14, 2008 by Hemidakota

[Hemidakota]

It is interesting that the city of Enoch will return to the earth. Of this President Smith has said: "In the day of regeneration, when all things are made new, there will be three great cities that will be holy. One will be the Jerusalem of old which shall be rebuilt according to the prophecy of Ezekiel. One will be the city of Zion, or of Enoch, which was taken from the earth when Enoch was translated and which will be restored; and the city Zion, or New Jerusalem, which is to be built by the seed of Joseph on this the American continent."

Then President Smith quotes this scripture:

"And righteousness will I send down out of heaven; and truth will I send forth out of the earth, to bear testimony of mine Only Begotten; his resurrection from the dead; yea, and also the resurrection of all men; and righteousness and truth will I cause to sweep the earth as with a flood, to gather out mine elect from the four quarters of the earth, unto a place which I shall prepare, an Holy City, that my people may gird up their loins, and be looking forth for the time of my coming; for there shall be my tabernacle, and it shall be called Zion, a New Jerusalem.

"And the Lord said unto Enoch: Then shalt thou and all thy city meet them there, and we will receive them into our bosom, and they shall see us; and we will fall upon their necks, and they shall fall upon our necks, and we will kiss each other;

"And there shall be mine abode, and it shall be Zion, which shall come forth out of all the creations which I have made; and for the space of a thousand years the earth shall rest. (Moses 7:62-64.)" (Joseph Fielding Smith, Jr., comp., Answers to Gospel Questions 2 [Deseret Book, 1958]: 105-6.)

Is it harder to accept the flood as a fact than to believe these scriptures regarding the city of Enoch? What a miracle it was when this whole city, with its entire population, was taken into heaven, actually physically lifted off this earth! And what a miracle it will be when that city and all of its inhabitants return!

Which is the greater miracle: covering the earth with water, or the removal of the city of Enoch to heaven and back again?

[deseretgov]

The City of Enoch will descend from Heaven. he lost ten tribes will be gathered from the North.

I know there's a scripture about New Jerusalem coming up from the ground and the other half coming down from the sky.

[Guest Alana]

When I lived in Missouri they talked about it all the time. Now that I'm in California, it's never mentioned lol. But yes, Missouri it is. Beautiful place, if you can handle the bugs and weather.