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[Jenda]

First off, "severe vomiting" in the FIRST TRIMESTER is normal. SEVERE VOMITING throughout an entire pregnancy is called hypermesis, which can be a very deadly disorder. My very good friend Stacey is on her 3rd pregnancy and she has suffered hypermesis with each child. Her first two she ended up in the hospital for dehydration and had to be on bed rest for weeks at a time.

Faerie, hyperemesis gravidarum is an emotional/psychiatric problem. It should be treated with more than just rehydration and bedrest. If your friend is still planning on having more babies, I suggest she see a psychiatrist first, because it is more than just severe morning sickness. I am being serious. The best thing you can do for your friend is to talk to her about needing to see a psychiatrist if she plans on having more kids.

[Jenda]

Originally posted by DisRuptive1@Dec 20 2004, 03:43 AM

Another thing. Inducing labor is against how the body works. You are forcing your baby to come out early, rather than just let it be. Rather than induce, why can't you just sit around the house and wait for your water to break?

In case you don't know (and you don't sound like you do, no offense), but when a woman goes into labor, it is not her body that started it, it is the fetus that starts the woman's body into labor. That is to say, that when it is time for the baby to come out, the baby will signal to the mother's body that it is ready and that the mother's body should begin to prepare to expel the fetus. Forcing labor by inducing it, means that you are going against the wishes of the baby and not giving it time to finish growing. Sure it might be a couple days, but imagine how you feel without your last hour of sleep, having to wake up early. Man, I'd be pissed if someone woke me up early.

In my opinions, inducing is almost like an abortion, just without the killing. Also just because you are able to have kids, and just because you have already had kids and maybe screwed up a bunch of them, doesn't mean you're a good parent. And while I'm on the topic, don't spoil your children. If they are in a toy store and start crying, either give them five across the face or take whatever toy they are holding away from them, and leave the store without buying anything. A woman bought her kid an extra $20 video game today, because she wanted him to stop crying.

Disruptive, here is a medical lesson.

There are many reasons to induce. It isn't about forcing your baby out early, it is about either saving the baby's life, or saving the mother's life. Nobody wants to be induced, but at times it is necessary.

You suggest just lying around till the baby's water breaks, well, sometimes the water breaks, and the mother doesn't go into labor. The baby is only allowed to remain inside the mother with the water broken for 24 hours before it becomes unhealthy in there and the mother and baby become susceptible to infections. That is one reason they induce labor.

Sometimes, a woman goes into labor, and the labor just doesn't progress. The contractions are not strong enough to push the baby out. That is another reason to induce labor.

Sometimes the mother has a medical condition that is caused or exacerbated by pregnancy. Diabetes is a big one. When a mother with diabetes is pregnant, the baby often has side effects of the diabetes that warrant inducing labor a couple of weeks early, the biggest one being that the baby often is much larger, creating very difficult labor. Another medical condition which would warrant induction would be eclampsia. Eclampsia is a condition that the pregnant woman develops which includes, but is not limited to, high blood pressure, kidney changes and seizures. When the eclampsia becomes severe, the mother retains significant amounts of fluid, causing even greater hypertension and increased risk of seizures. It can be fatal.

(I suggest that you study up more on medical procedures and their necessities before venturing further into making yourself look foolish. This is not being said maliciously, just for you to understand that nobody undergoes medical procedures that they don't absolutely have to.)

[Faerie]

jenda do you have scientific backing for that?

i'm googling:

CAUSES

Unknown, but theories abound. Common ones are

Multiple pregnancy (more than one fetus) and a condition called as hydatidiform mole, producing high levels of human chorionic gonadotrophin - a hormone.

Inflammation of the pancreas.

Bile-duct disease.

Psychological factors, such as depression or poor adaptation to stress.

I know in Stacey's case, she has high levels of HCG in her system...they did not test her for this w/ her first two because she was not actively trying to get pregnant...but this time she was tested early and her levels were so high they thought she was carrying twins or more..she only has one baby in there, but has the levels of someone pregnant with triplets...

from http://www.hyperemesis.org/hyperemesis-gra...earch/index.php

It was first thought to be related to a physiological cause such as toxins, ulcerations or an infection in a related organ. A physical cause such as abnormalities of the female reproductive system was also suggested. Early in the 20th century, a psychological cause was proposed by those subscribing to psychoanalytic theories. Unfortunately, despite the lack of evidence in these biased studies, their assumptions have persisted to this day. Every type of medical professional from pharmacist to nurse, and allopathic to naturopathic physician, are typically taught that HG is a psychological disorder. Many textbooks and published medical research still erroneously suggest HG is psychosomatic as well. It is no surprise that women suffering from HG are often left untreated or not taken seriously. This belief has been passed from generation to generation of health professional, despite the multitude of evidence showing many contributing factors unrelated to psychological conflicts.

the most commonly thought cause listed on that site is high levels of HCG as well as high estrogen...which corrolates with the friends i've had who suffered from it...i've also been told by my friends that it gets worse w/ each pregnancy...

but again...what does that have to do w/ tourette's syndrome? the "study" that disruptive pasted simply said 51 children had mothers who had bad m/s in the first trimester...who did this study? how many children were tested? how long ago was this study?

and again..

WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH INDUCTION!?!? roflmao...

[Jenda]

Originally posted by Faerie@Dec 20 2004, 08:28 PM

jenda do you have scientific backing for that?

i'm googling:

CAUSES

Unknown, but theories abound. Common ones are

Multiple pregnancy (more than one fetus) and a condition called as hydatidiform mole, producing high levels of human chorionic gonadotrophin - a hormone.

Inflammation of the pancreas.

Bile-duct disease.

Psychological factors, such as depression or poor adaptation to stress.

I know in Stacey's case, she has high levels of HCG in her system...they did not test her for this w/ her first two because she was not actively trying to get pregnant...but this time she was tested early and her levels were so high they thought she was carrying twins or more..she only has one baby in there, but has the levels of someone pregnant with triplets...

from http://www.hyperemesis.org/hyperemesis-gra...earch/index.php

It was first thought to be related to a physiological cause such as toxins, ulcerations or an infection in a related organ. A physical cause such as abnormalities of the female reproductive system was also suggested. Early in the 20th century, a psychological cause was proposed by those subscribing to psychoanalytic theories. Unfortunately, despite the lack of evidence in these biased studies, their assumptions have persisted to this day. Every type of medical professional from pharmacist to nurse, and allopathic to naturopathic physician, are typically taught that HG is a psychological disorder. Many textbooks and published medical research still erroneously suggest HG is psychosomatic as well. It is no surprise that women suffering from HG are often left untreated or not taken seriously. This belief has been passed from generation to generation of health professional, despite the multitude of evidence showing many contributing factors unrelated to psychological conflicts.

the most commonly thought cause listed on that site is high levels of HCG as well as high estrogen...which corrolates with the friends i've had who suffered from it...i've also been told by my friends that it gets worse w/ each pregnancy...

but again...what does that have to do w/ tourette's syndrome? the "study" that disruptive pasted simply said 51 children had mothers who had bad m/s in the first trimester...who did this study? how many children were tested? how long ago was this study?

and again..

WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH INDUCTION!?!? roflmao...

Hyperemesis Gravidarum is waaaaay more than just morning sickness, though some of the sites that I searched didn't seem to differentiate. HG is considered only when physical causes have been ruled out. So, those people with high HCG levels wouldn't fall into the category of (true) HG.

See this site. http://www.surrogacy.com/medres/article/hyperem.html

And the friends I've had with it would fall into the psychological problem pathology. LOL