Spirits...

[Amillia]

Originally posted by shanstress70+Feb 14 2005, 06:30 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (shanstress70 @ Feb 14 2005, 06:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Snow@Feb 14 2005, 02:06 AM

I didn't answer your question because it was a 'bad' question. When you ask if I think they are lying, you presuppose that deceit is the only possible explanation implied by my skepticism. Surely there are other possibilities... ie confusion, wishful thinking, dreams, visions, semi-hypnotic states brought one by religious fervor.

Think about the laws of nature for a second. Light can't be reflected off a non-physical entity, ergo... you can't see no ghost.

Hi Snow,

What about the 'personage(s)' that Joseph Smith saw, telling him to join none of the churches?

If you truly believe your scientific argument, there is no way you can believe in the LDS church, or any other churches for that matter.

But God the Father and Jesus Christ (resurrected beings~meaning reunited with body) were physical beings and therefore weren't ghosts, but real physical entities.

The Holy Ghost is the only one of the God head who would not show up in the light or dark. He can only reside inside of you.

[Amillia]

Originally posted by shanstress70+Feb 14 2005, 09:44 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (shanstress70 @ Feb 14 2005, 09:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Snow@Feb 14 2005, 10:05 AM

No - Joseph Smith didn't see ghost. He saw actual beings made of flesh and blood. Flesh, being physical material is capable of reflecting light.

Oh, you were talking about that version of the first vision. I was speaking of the version where the angel (or in some accounts angels) visited Joseph. I don't think angels are made of flesh and blood, but maybe according to some they are.

Resurrected beings are also called angels on occassions. Moroni was a resurrected being. And though Snow didn't say so, angels are spirits which are matter, just finer matter than what we are and made of light so they don't have to reflect light.