The End of Christian America

[Guest HEthePrimate]

If it wasn't then what was the purpose of the founding fathers who admitted that our country stands on this principle? Why should those who were persecuted in other lands by national religious groups come to America?

Yes! This country was founded many times on the founding principle of being followers of Christ since Adam.

No, our country was not founded on the principle of being followers of Christ. Many of the early settlers did NOT believe in religious freedom for all. They came to America to escape persecution, and then promptly began persecuting people of other faiths here. It is precisely because there was so much strife among different religious groups in America, that the Founding Fathers drafted the "godless Constitution" in order to form a secular government that protected ALL religions.

HEP

[Moksha]

America was and is a nation founded on Judeo/Cjristian principles, but we are a secular government.

Right on, and as proof of that, we have to look no further than the words under God in the Pledge of Allegiance.

Try disproving that with some of those troubling facts, Elphaba!

[Guest HEthePrimate]

Right on, and as proof of that, we have to look no further than the words under God in the Pledge of Allegiance.

Try disproving that with some of those troubling facts, Elphaba!

The Pledge of Allegiance was written in 1892, and the words "under God" were added in 1954. The Founding Fathers had nothing to do with either. Besides, "God" could refer to Allah, YHWH, Shiva, Amon Ra, or Zeus. It would have to say "Christ" or "Jesus of Nazareth," or something to that effect, to be specifically Christian.

Read the law of the land, the Constitution of the United States--nary a mention of God or Christ.

HEP

[Elphaba]

Right on, and as proof of that, we have to look no further than the words under God in the Pledge of Allegiance.

Try disproving that with some of those troubling facts, Elphaba!

Dang it! I just saw this today, so I didn't get a chance at it. HPrimate beat me to it!

I think someone needs to write a post explaining how, and why, our founders never intended for this to be a Christian nation, etc,. etc., etc.,

Then we should have the mods pin it. That way every time yet another person insists otherwise, we can just refer him/her to that post.

Anyone?

Elphaba

[Guest HEthePrimate]

I think someone needs to write a post explaining how, and why, our founders never intended for this to be a Christian nation, etc,. etc., etc.,

Then we should have the mods pin it. That way every time yet another person insists otherwise, we can just refer him/her to that post.

Think it would do any good? People have a tendency to believe what they want, regardless of evidence or logical argument to the contrary...

On the other hand, we don't want to just hand the debate over to them without saying anything.

HEP

[LittleWyvern]

Dang it! I just saw this today, so I didn't get a chance at it. HPrimate beat me to it!

I think someone needs to write a post explaining how, and why, our founders never intended for this to be a Christian nation, etc,. etc., etc.,

Then we should have the mods pin it. That way every time yet another person insists otherwise, we can just refer him/her to that post.

Anyone?

Elphaba

Neh, we could always necropost our constitution thread, no?

[Aesa]

The US was founded on the precept of religious freedom. Hence, it was never, technically, a Christian nation. Even so, I think it's safe to say that Christians will represent the majority of our population for many years to come. It's funny to see how strongly the persecution complex comes out whenever the religious majority loses a single inch of influence in this country.

I don't think religion needs to have an "influence" to be valid in the first place. Unfortunately, there appears to be no religious ideology that isn't a little political.