Christ in Egypt

[Aesa]

"Destined to be a classic enjoyed by both the professional scholar and the layperson, this comparative religion book contains a startling perspective of the extraordinary history of the Egyptian religion and its profound influence upon the later Christian faith. Christ in Egypt: The Horus-Jesus Connection by D.M. Murdock, also known as "Acharya S," uses a massive amount of primary sources and the works of highly credentialed authorities in relevant fields to demonstrate that the popular gods Horus and Jesus possessed many characteristics and attributes in common.

Drawing from thousands of ancient Egyptian texts in an assortment of translations along with the original language, as well as modern research in a number of other languages, controversial independent scholar of comparative religion and mythology D.M. Murdock puts together an astonishing amount of fascinating information that shows many of our most cherished religious beliefs and concepts did not appear suddenly out of the blue but have long histories in numerous cultures found around the globe, including and especially in the glorious Land of the Pharaohs."

Thoroughly looking forward to getting my copy. I love comparative religion.

If anyone else buys it let me know so we can pursue discussion about it. :) Edited April 14, 2009 by Aesa

[Maxel]

Q: Why do so many religions share common themes?

A: "And thus the Gospel [of Christ] began to be preached, from the [time of Adam], being declared by holy angels sent forth from the presence of God, and by his own voice, and by the gift of the Holy Ghost."

Moses 5:58

[Aesa]

Don't stop there.

Feel free to consult her, and other's, scholarly work.

[Vort]

by D.M. Murdock, also known as "Acharya S,"

Can you trust a work by a person who proudly proclaims an alias?

Vort (also known as "Mister Amazing")

[Aesa]

She uses that alias, for the most part, because it represents a declaration of independence of sorts.

You see an Acharya (off top of my head, will need to verify) is a term that is reserved for Indian men.

And I'm sure you're aware that good scholarship has nothing to do with trust. You verify scholarship by citation.

[DigitalShadow]

I believe many religions have common themes because because those themes are satisfying to people. Religions claim to be the solution to many of the same problems and questions so to me it is a no-brainer that many of them are similar.

[Aesa]

I believe many religions have common themes because because those themes are satisfying to people. Religions claim to be the solution to many of the same problems and questions so to me it is a no-brainer that many of them are similar.

That would make sense. But at the same time it makes them 'mythology by association'

You cant claim to have the right story if there are sources that predate your own and, on top of that, can be all too often naturalistically explained.

[Vort]

She uses that alias, for the most part, because it represents a declaration of independence of sorts.

You see an Acharya (off top of my head, will need to verify) is a term that is reserved for Indian men.

So she trying to misrepresent herself as a man? Or is she just giving the finger to the Indians? I'm not quite seeing how using a male-specific term to refer to one's (female) self qualifies as a declaration of independence, beyond perhaps, "I refuse to be bound by linguistic rules, so fauna blue mortis blend pinochle!"

And I'm sure you're aware that good scholarship has nothing to do with trust. You verify scholarship by citation.

How I choose to spend my time has lots to do with trust. As the website associated with her book very proudly points out, "At almost 600 pages, this is a big book, folks, jam-packed full of important information that you can't find elsewhere in one volume!" (Sort of the Costco version of a scholarly book, I take it.) Before I invest time reading the wordy tome of some anonymous, aliased "controversial independent scholar", I want a reason to believe my time and money are well-spent in the endeavor.

[Aesa]

So she trying to misrepresent herself as a man? Or is she just giving the finger to the Indians? I'm not quite seeing how using a male-specific term to refer to one's (female) self qualifies as a declaration of independence, beyond perhaps, "I refuse to be bound by linguistic rules, so fauna blue mortis blend pinochle!"

How I choose to spend my time has lots to do with trust. As the website associated with her book very proudly points out, "At almost 600 pages, this is a big book, folks, jam-packed full of important information that you can't find elsewhere in one volume!" (Sort of the Costco version of a scholarly book, I take it.) Before I invest time reading the wordy tome of some anonymous, aliased "controversial independent scholar", I want a reason to believe my time and money are well-spent in the endeavor.

"In Indian religions and society, an acharya (IAST: ācārya; Sanskrit: आचार्य; Pali:acariya) is a guide or instructor in religious matters..." Very appropriate.

You can find radio interviews with her online Christ in Egypt 10/13/2008 - Shadows in the Dark on Blog Talk Radio

And here is her work put into a film (that's only part of the film) that has had over 100 million views and counting so far YouTube - Zeitgeist - Part 1(2/4) YouTube - Zeitgeist - Part 1(3/4) YouTube - Zeitgeist - Part 1(4/4) - those are cuts of the sections relevant to this discussion (you can find the film in fullness at Zeitgeist - The Movie)

Ofcourse, the information in that video constitutes the combination of the works of scholars over hundreds of years.

It's also available through more reputable companies such as barnes and noble Christ In Egypt, D. M. Murdock, Book - Barnes & Noble

By the way, I'm not trying to 'sell' this to you. Just important information worth considering, taking into account how well sourced it is.

Edited April 14, 2009 by Aesa

[DigitalShadow]

That would make sense. But at the same time it makes them 'mythology by association'

You cant claim to have the right story if there are sources that predate your own and, on top of that, can be all too often naturalistically explained.

I don't claim to have the right story, I'm atheist/agnostic depending on your definitions, and also people tend to exaggerate and distort events over time, especially where religion is concerned and many of the events were passed down as an oral tradition (ever play the telephone game?).

[Aesa]

You're quite right. :)

I was addressing the topic, not you particularly.

[Vort]

"In Indian religions and society, an acharya (IAST: ācārya; Sanskrit: आचार्य; Pali:acariya) is a guide or instructor in religious matters..." Very appropriate.

In western pop culture, Mister Amazing (It. Signore Fantastico; Fr. Monsieur Stupéfier; Sp. Señor Sorpresa) is a caped vigilante crimefighter whose unparalleled powers of cutting through bull caca leave his internet opponents speechless.

You can find radio interviews with her online Christ in Egypt 10/13/2008 - Shadows in the Dark on Blog Talk Radio

So, let me see if I understand. In response to my request for more information to see whether I want to invest time reading what is in all probability a badly-sourced tome in desperate need of editing, you want me to go listen to some podcast?

And here is her work put into a film (that's only part of the film) that has had over 100 million views and counting so far

WOW!!!!! That's AMAZING!!! Why, my niece's YouTube vid of her graduation party hijinks has only about 45,000 more views than that!!!

It's also available through more reputable companies such as barnes and noble Christ In Egypt, D. M. Murdock, Book - Barnes & Noble

As opposed to being sold off a cheesy internet site that looks like it was put together by Rhadi Ferguson to sell judo vids?

By the way, I'm not trying to 'sell' this to you. Just important information worth considering, taking into account how well sourced it is.

Of course not. That's why you referenced your Zeitgeist cult vid.

And I am sure you sourced your book very well indeed.

[Aesa]

WOW!!!!! That's AMAZING!!! Why, my niece's YouTube vid of her graduation party hijinks has only about 45,000 more views than that!!!

Yeah, right - your nieces graduation party has been put into a high quality feature-film. Yeah, suuuure.

Well, actually - the reason why I don't see the need to bother sourcing beyond the work is because (1) you would have to buy those sources and you almost definitively will not - therefore, waste of time and (2) your sole purpose for chatting here is not 'I want to learn something' but 'I want to cling to what I've got and run with it' (to put it in as sarcastic way as is possible).