How To Be A "real" Anti-mormon

[Jason]

Step #1: A professional anti-mormon usually has nothing else they can do "professionally". If there's some other way you can contribute to the Gross National Product, then do it. If not, see a guidance counselor about various career options. If that still doesn't work out, seek employment as a garbage collector. As a last restort, because you've got nothing better to do than sit all day long at St. Anne's shelter and eat soup, then go on to step #2.

Step #2: Learn something about Mormonism. Keep it simple, take the LDS missionary discussions, or visit a couple of websites like restoration.org, lds.org, cofchrist.org, jefflindsay.com, etc.

Step #3: Be sure to read anything published by the following publishers:

- Utah Lighthouse Ministry

- Saints Alive for Jesus

- Signature Books

- University of Illinois Press

Step #4: Visit your local "Christian" bookstore for a nice video rental (Godmakers, Temple of the Godmakers, etc.)

Step #5: Watch "God's Army" and "My Big Fat Mormon Wedding" (Oh, and Saturday's Warrior!).

Step #6: Now that you've done your homework, you need a degree. You've got to seem smarter than all those dumb BYU dudes. Find yourself a nice "paper mill" college and write a three page thesis for your Ph.D. (Don't forget to send in your $50.00 application and processing fee!!)

Step #7: Next find someone who can write (preferably someone who's been to an accredited College or University) and get them to do most of the leg-work.

Step #8: Since U of Illinois won't even take a look at your "manuscript," talk to "Thunder's Mouth Press" and see if they'll do it. (They like books that repeat the same stuff over and over again, just look at Abanes' text!)

Step #9: Start your own on-line presence. Ask for donations to support your "ministry".

And finally,

Step #10: Whine and cry a lot about how the Mormons are ruining your life, how you receive threatening email, and how their high-dollar lawyers want to shut you down. Hopefully some sap will send you a couple of bucks to help you "keep up the good fight".

Good Luck!

Addendum: Hope you live a short life, as this career is about as exciting as street sweeping.

[Jenda]

Just out of curiosity, why should they visit cofchrist.org? We are about as far away from mormonism as you can get (and still believe in the BoM.)

[Amillia]

Hey EJ ~

That was interesting. I was pondering a subject close to this today ~

What to say to an X or inactive and get them to think clearly ~

This is what I came up with:

The demons know which church is true. Being their nature and job, they will pester and cast doubts in the minds of those who are in this true church.

If faith in the priesthood and gospel as taught through the true church, produces miracles and an increase in understanding ~

Then doubt in these things will bring what? ~

If God is an intangable and the doubters demand tangible proof ~ will God give the tangible proof that He exists more than the earth and sky can attest? No. He will only give spiritual affirmations.

If the demons can produce anything physical (remember Moses and the serpents) ~ as Satan is the God of this earth/natural man ~ will he give proof that he doesn't exist? Yes and much more ~

he will prove through the tangible means and elite reasoning that God doesn't exist either and that there is no such thing as a true church of Christ.

In fact as faith gives God power to help us, doubt gives power to Satan to confuse and mislead us.

Satan will put all sorts of things out there to cause doubt ~ it is his power over us.

[Jason]

Just out of curiosity, why should they visit cofchrist.org? We are about as far away from mormonism as you can get (and still believe in the BoM.)

Im using the "original" meaning of the term "Mormon," applying it to anyone who believes in the BoM. Besides, a good anti-mormon needs to understand every "branch" of the "restoration".

[Jason]

The demons know which church is true. Being their nature and job, they will pester and cast doubts in the minds of those who are in this true church.........Satan will put all sorts of things out there to cause doubt ~ it is his power over us.

Im not really interested in going there with this thread. This was meant to be funny. That's all. Start a new thread if you want to discuss this topic.

[Outshined]

Originally posted by Jenda@Mar 21 2005, 05:13 PM

Just out of curiosity, why should they visit cofchrist.org? We are about as far away from mormonism as you can get (and still believe in the BoM.)

Are you kidding? A REAL antimormon doesn't care about such technicalities. A real antimormon is free to confuse doctrines of any church ever associated with mormonism into one big, horrifying, satanic cult to be feared by real Christians...

[Jenda]

Originally posted by Outshined+Mar 21 2005, 05:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Outshined @ Mar 21 2005, 05:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Jenda@Mar 21 2005, 05:13 PM

Just out of curiosity, why should they visit cofchrist.org?  We are about as far away from mormonism as you can get (and still believe in the BoM.)

Are you kidding? A REAL antimormon doesn't care about such technicalities. A real antimormon is free to confuse doctrines of any church ever associated with mormonism into one big, horrifying, satanic cult to be feared by real Christians...

And my mission (should I choose to accept it) is to make sure everyone knows that we are different. That we are neither Mormon nor Christian. That we are the ONE TRUE CHURCH!

Think they'll go for it? Have I got you convinced???

[Jenifer]

Originally posted by Outshined+Mar 21 2005, 06:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Outshined @ Mar 21 2005, 06:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Jenda@Mar 21 2005, 05:13 PM

Just out of curiosity, why should they visit cofchrist.org?  We are about as far away from mormonism as you can get (and still believe in the BoM.)

Are you kidding? A REAL antimormon doesn't care about such technicalities. A real antimormon is free to confuse doctrines of any church ever associated with mormonism into one big, horrifying, satanic cult to be feared by real Christians...

Which is stupid to be confusing, because the current Brighamite sect of mormonism is EXACTLY like Joseph Smith's version of mormonism.

[Amillia]

Originally posted by Jenifer+Mar 22 2005, 12:51 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Jenifer @ Mar 22 2005, 12:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by -Outshined@Mar 21 2005, 06:51 PM

<!--QuoteBegin--Jenda@Mar 21 2005, 05:13 PM

Just out of curiosity, why should they visit cofchrist.org?  We are about as far away from mormonism as you can get (and still believe in the BoM.)

Are you kidding? A REAL antimormon doesn't care about such technicalities. A real antimormon is free to confuse doctrines of any church ever associated with mormonism into one big, horrifying, satanic cult to be feared by real Christians...

Which is stupid to be confusing, because the current Brighamite sect of mormonism is EXACTLY like Joseph Smith's version of mormonism.

Is there a real Brighamite sect? Where?

[Jason]

Which is stupid to be confusing, because the current Brighamite sect of mormonism is EXACTLY like Joseph Smith's version of mormonism. 

I would argue that the polygamists (Mormon Fundamentalists) are probably more "Brighamite" than the current LDS Church.

[Outshined]

"Brighamite" sounds like an Australian snack food.

"I said do you speak-a my language? He just smiled and gave me a Brighamite sandwich...."

[Snow]

Originally posted by Outshined@Mar 22 2005, 01:59 PM

"Brighamite" sounds like an Australian snack food.

"I said do you speak-a my language? He just smiled and gave me a Brighamite sandwich...."

Are you sure that it is not a mineral that is harmful to polygamist - like kryptomite is to Superman?

[Dale]

Hi,

I met Ed Decker & it's well doccumented the LDS Church didn't destroy his family. Robert L. & Rosemary Browns book on the Godmakers refuted his & ###### Baer's accusations Mormonism destroyed their marriages. Jerald & Sandra Tanner have been very critical of him. I recently bought on DVD the Godmakers film & neither the LDS, nor RLDS need fear the film. I own the Southern Baptists the Mormon Puzzle. I own every major tool people use to teach people how to witness to LDS. I buy all the major book. I have tracts from every ministry. I read what I got.

I attend the Community of Christ Church whenever my opportunity allows. The big ministy to RLDS is Lifeline to RLDS ministry. I own several copies of Reorganized LDS Church: Is It Christian? A Biblical & Historical Perspective on the RLDS Church. I have heard all her proofs the RLDS Church is a non-Christian cult I find her book weak when compared to FAIR's Research. And C.A.R.E. a conservative RLDS book has put out a book responding to that book's many issues. Although it's the first in a series of book's On Behalf Of Christ's Restored Gospel. The book is the same answered stuff I get from every other anti-Mormon writer. I also have all of her tracts & articles which she kindly sent me.

Some critics raise some good issues. I know of some critics of Mormonism that I respect. I know of some I hope get Jesus before they die.

Sincerely,

Dale

[Jason]

Dale,

I hope you learn how to use quotation marks before you die.

[Jenda]

Originally posted by Dale@Apr 11 2005, 08:45 PM

Hi,

I met Ed Decker & it's well doccumented the LDS Church didn't destroy his family. Robert L. & Rosemary Browns book on the Godmakers refuted his & ###### Baer's accusations Mormonism destroyed their marriages. Jerald & Sandra Tanner have been very critical of him. I recently bought on DVD the Godmakers film & neither the LDS, nor RLDS need fear the film. I own the Southern Baptists the Mormon Puzzle. I own every major tool people use to teach people how to witness to LDS. I buy all the major book. I have tracts from every ministry. I read what I got.

I attend the Community of Christ Church whenever my opportunity allows. The big ministy to RLDS is Lifeline to RLDS ministry. I own several copies of Reorganized LDS Church: Is It Christian? A Biblical & Historical Perspective on the RLDS Church. I have heard all her proofs the RLDS Church is a non-Christian cult I find her book weak when compared to FAIR's Research. And C.A.R.E. a conservative RLDS book has put out a book responding to that book's many issues. Although it's the first in a series of book's On Behalf Of Christ's Restored Gospel. The book is the same answered stuff I get from every other anti-Mormon writer. I also have all of her tracts & articles which she kindly sent me.

Some critics raise some good issues. I know of some critics of Mormonism that I respect. I know of some I hope get Jesus before they die.

Sincerely,

Dale

Robert (or Dale (whichever you prefer to be called)), I thought you were restorationist? Did you change to accept the more liberal CoC?

[Jason]

Hey dawn,

Do you like my new avatar?

[Dale]

Hi,

Jason I forget they bleep out Baer's first name thinking it's a bad word. All that automatic stuff does work if you use bad language in posts. I only met Ed Decker & Jame's Spencer at a seminar on Mormonism they gave. I have an auto-graph from both Ed Decker & Jame's Spencer inside Spencer's Have You Witnessed To A Mormon Lately? Jame's Spencer was in the film The Mormon Dilemma which I have on VHS. Some people think I am an anti-Mormon because I am always reading such book's.

I usually hang out on the FAIR board because of my support of restoration apologetics. I actually attend the Community of Christ or as it's has been known Reorganized LDS Church whenever possible. I like the LDS Church but don't agree with all of the churches teachings.

I wouldn't leave my beliefs behind over any of the stuff LDS, or Community of Christ persons encounter. A critic of the Book of abraham has started a new message board on the Book of Abraham issue I am hanging out on mostly now. I tend to take Paul Osbourne's & Kerry Shirts positive positions on the criticisms I read of the Pearl of Great Price. Unfortunately most Community of Christ reject the Book of Abraham without knowing that other more positive views exist. the Book of Abraham dot com website has several active LDS apologists on it.

Have you replaced your faith with something? I know you are an ex-Mormon. Lot's of people who leave a faith can be either atheists, or a devout believer in another faith. I know that's a personal question so it's ok if you don't want to get into that. My background is LDS, but that didn't work out for me. They have put me on a no-contact list but havn't expelled my yet. I have been ill so I havn't obtained Community of Christ baptism yet. I have Multiple sclerosis which has caused me to put off baptism.

My folks are LDS & I hate to be a vocal Cummunity of Christ as long as I am staying with them. I plan to move in a month or two & will seek baptism at that time. My father doesn't like my RLDS leanings & I felt a need to keep peace with him.

Among RLDS you get the sometimes liberal Community of Christ & The seperate Fundemental RLDS. I tend to lean Fundemental RLDS on a lot of issues. I don't mind women's ordination. So I guess I mix my conservatism with my liberalism.

I am not encouraging people to leave the LDS Church. I try & encourage people to resolve doubts & questions by seeking the best answers before allowing such issue to ruin your religious experience.

Sincerely,

Dale

[Jason]

Hey dale,

I did at one time look into RLDS/CoC. But it seemed rather empty.

Sorry about the MS. My "Bio" is on the new "intro" thread.

[Jenda]

Originally posted by ExMormon-Jason@Apr 12 2005, 07:37 PM

Hey dale,

I did at one time look into RLDS/CoC. But it seemed rather empty.

Sorry about the MS. My "Bio" is on the new "intro" thread.

Empty in what way? I would agree with you (depending on your answer to that question, of course) if you are talking about the CoC, but the traditional RLDS are anything but empty. IMO (of course).

Your new avatar is quite dashing. Doesn't have as much personality as your last one, but infinitely less terrifying. B)

[Dale]

Hi,

Nice to see you Jenda.

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Jason if I assume correctly you are a Christian now. E-mail me at [email protected] & I will send you some tracts if you are interesting. I have some Fundemental RLDS leanings. But I am truly excited by the current Community of Christ leaders. The missionary resources including the 2003 Seek & Follow Christ in Community is pretty cool. The newer Community of Christ books resources sold by Herald House is pretty cool.

Considering your concerns about LDS & Community of Christ doctrine it's no matter you felt empty. LDS & Community of Christ services are as good as others in local Christian churches I have attended. I am not going to demean your religious needs you felt were met elsewhere.

I just found out my friend attends a local Calvary Christian Church now. He was LDS, but felt a need to move on.

My background is LDS. But I had them place me on a no contact list. I was told they would expel me. I attend the Community of Christ Church, but havn't been able to get baptism yet. I have Multiple sclerosis which caused me to take out bankruptcy. Due to my illness I am on disability now. But I will be baptized Community of Christ. I considered becoming an Evangelical but I felt the issues that could have caused me to give up my faith kept on leading me back. I found I had more faith than doubts. I had to decide on a faith that met my needs.

Right now I am hanging out with LDS apologist Kerry Shirts & Paul Osbourne defending the Book of Abraham. I don't consider as many in the Community of Christ that the Book of Abraham is only the speculative work of Joseph Smith Jr. bookofabraham.com has the discussions.

Sincerely,

Dale

[Jason]

Empty in what way? I would agree with you (depending on your answer to that question, of course) if you are talking about the CoC, but the traditional RLDS are anything but empty. IMO (of course).

Literally (not too many CoC folks in Utah), and spiritually (like I felt in the LDS church).

Your new avatar is quite dashing. Doesn't have as much personality as your last one, but infinitely less terrifying

I did it for you, babe!

[Jenda]

Originally posted by ExMormon-Jason@Apr 15 2005, 11:10 AM

Empty in what way? I would agree with you (depending on your answer to that question, of course) if you are talking about the CoC, but the traditional RLDS are anything but empty. IMO (of course).

Literally (not too many CoC folks in Utah), and spiritually (like I felt in the LDS church).

The CoC is quite empty, spiritually. They have denied everything in a bid for trying to be everything to everyone. They are on the road to rejecting the deity of Christ, and many once-faithful members are finding themselves without a home. The traditional RLDS (too bad you didn't run into any (that is why I invited you to the one board I post on)) are sooo deep that after 20 years in the liberal CoC, I am lost when it comes to keeping up with them, spiritually as well as scripturally.

Your new avatar is quite dashing. Doesn't have as much personality as your last one, but infinitely less terrifying

I did it for you, babe!

gosh...........thanks

[Dale]

Hi,

Jenda I tend to be conservative, but am not totally a Fundementalist. I kind of like a church in Independence called Abundant Life Fellowship. It has a conservative message & contemporary worship. Person's in the Community of Christ & Restoration branches worship together. I think they have the ability to operate through institutional church boundaries. I am trying to see whether they can help me get some advice if active ministry isn't possible. I don't mind being involved in a liberal Church as long as I can be involved in supporting a local more conservative message.

I actually & excited about some of the Churche's new missionary resource materials. I like the look of the new brochures.The book Walking With Jesus A Members Guide in Community of Christ is pretty cool. I have no problem mixing fundemental materials with the better institutional church materials.

Sincerely,

Dale

[Jenda]

Originally posted by Dale@Apr 15 2005, 08:51 PM

Hi,

Jenda I tend to be conservative, but am not totally a Fundementalist. I kind  of like a church in Independence called Abundant Life Fellowship. It has a conservative message & contemporary worship. Person's in the Community of Christ & Restoration branches worship together.  I think they have the ability to operate through institutional church boundaries. I am trying to see whether they can help me get some advice if active ministry isn't possible. I don't mind being involved in a liberal Church as long as I can be involved in supporting a local more conservative message.

I actually & excited about some of the Churche's new missionary resource materials. I like the look of the new brochures.The book Walking With Jesus A Members Guide in Community of Christ is pretty cool. I have no problem mixing fundemental materials with the better institutional church materials.

Sincerely,

Dale

I have spoken via e-mail with the pastor of the Abundant Life Fellowship. He seems rather nice, but I have never been there to worship. They are the branch that sponsors the RLDS scripture search program. It is one of 5 traditional branches in the Independence area, and there are only a handful (if that many) more traditional branches in the rest of the US. I suppose if you hang out with them, things are better there, but with the direction the CoC is heading, I doubt that they will be around much longer. Unless things change with the new president, that is.

I remember a few years ago when you posted here quite a bit we were on opposite ends. You were speaking from a more traditional view and I was speaking from a more liberal view. It's funny how things change.

Good luck in whatever you do. I hope it brings you peace.

[Dale]

Hi,

I believe the Community of Christ Church can survive the turmoil. The Worldwide Church of God went Fundementalist Christian after a period of turmoil. the church is still 250,000. It would have more but they did lose some Fundementalists as more problems ensue more people will go restoration RLDS. Some LDS are saying the membership is 70,000 which I havn't seen documented. I see the church as stable even if the church isn't growing as much as people would like. I would be happy even if they went moderate.

I bought Herald House's Vibrant Witness: Who Me? & The basic Missionary Resource kit. I see some of the new missionary training material as exciting. I think the leadership has made some good decisions.

if there are only five support the creation of others following their example.

Sincerely,

Dale