I Need Gospel Help

[Guest mojojo1984]

hello everyone,

it's Joe i need gospel help. these three people in my friend's forum knows i'm mormon.and i don't know how but i end up talking to them about what happens when you die and they got upset. i told them you had to agree to the chruch rules to go to one of the three heavens.and i told them about spirt jail but they think it's a bad jail like the jails in here. their pretty mad that you have to join the church to go to heaven. now they make fun of my reglion one guy joke that joseph smith was inside him and he had more then one wife. i told him just one mormon had more then one wife and back then you could have more then one wife.i was wounding if i was right about what happens when you die and if anyone could tell me more.i listen in sunday school i just forgot. thank you for your time.

-Joe:)

[Jason]

Hey Joe,

i told them you had to agree to the chruch rules to go to one of the three heavens.

I believe LDS doctrine only requires that you be LDS for the "Celestial" kingdom. The other lesser kingdoms are for the Non-Mormon folks.

and i told them about spirt jail but they think it's a bad jail like the jails in here.

It was my understanding as a Mormon that it is more like a school than a jail.

their pretty mad that you have to join the church to go to heaven.

Well, religion is a very touchy subject. Tell them that there's no point in belonging to a church, if you don't believe it's the true or most true one out there.

now they make fun of my reglion one guy joke that joseph smith was inside him and he had more then one wife.

Ah yes. The unholy spirit of Joseph....

i told him just one mormon had more then one wife and back then you could have more then one wife.

Actually quite a few Mormons had plural marriages. Although it was illegal everywhere it was practiced.

i was wounding if i was right about what happens when you die and if anyone could tell me more.i listen in sunday school i just forgot. thank you for your time.

I believe the LDS version is that when you die, you're given a short judgment, and then assigned to one of the two spirit places to await the great final judgment. So you're either in spirit paradise or spirit prison. Spirit prison is actually hell, because you're subjected to the torments of listening to Mormon missionaries 24/7 with the Mo-Tab choir singing in the background. If you were lucky enough to go to Spirit paradise, then you are not subjected to these cruel torments.

[Tick]

Jason is basically right. He has some anger issues, but he is right. edited by moderator And they will make fun of you if you discuss it with them, but I find that most people are drawn to the truth, even if they are makeing fun of you to look cool. Jason probably thinks he is cool. This life is to discover if you are fake or not. Jason put on a good show in the pre-life. He has included himself in the building (Nephi's dream). He probably put on a good show here. He may have even served a mission. But the devil discovers us all. I would not take to much council from jason. You may find that jason is 10 times more dangerous than the ones that are making fun of you.

[ThunderFire]

Originally posted by mojojo1984@Apr 28 2005, 12:24 PM

hello everyone,

it's Joe i need gospel help. these three people in my friend's forum knows i'm mormon.and i don't know how but i end up talking to them about what happens when you die and they got upset. i told them you had to agree to the chruch rules to go to one of the three heavens.and i told them about spirt jail but they think it's a bad jail like the jails in here. their pretty mad that you have to join the church to go to heaven. now they make fun of my reglion one guy joke that joseph smith was inside him and he had more then one wife. i told him just one mormon had more then one wife and back then you could have more then one wife.i was wounding if i was right about what happens when you die and if anyone could tell me more.i listen in sunday school i just forgot. thank you for your time.

-Joe:)

I would tell them to believe in Jesus Christ, believe that he lives, and believe that he has all power in both heaven and earth. You must believe in the importance of faith, repentance, baptism, and then do them. And if you believe and do these things you will go to heaven.

In Christ I Serve,

Thunderfire

[Guest Taoist_Saint]

Have a nice summer!

[Tick]

I think there are some single people in the Celestial Kingdom...probably those that recieved their endowments but never married. They become like angels, serving the gods.

I think that you are talking about the different degrees of the celestial kingdom. Exahltation is reserved for the ones with breading right (creation). And some just reach the administering angels part ( the lowest part) of the Cel. kingdom. Do you know what the middle part is?

[Guest Taoist_Saint]

Have a nice summer!

[Jason]

I think that you are talking about the different degrees of the celestial kingdom. Exahltation is reserved for the ones with breading right (creation). And some just reach the administering angels part ( the lowest part) of the Cel. kingdom. Do you know what the middle part is?

Why can't Trolls spell?

[Guest Taoist_Saint]

Have a nice summer!

[Tick]

1. If exalted LDS gods live as couples only, how is their "earth family" together forever with them? Just in visits? Or do all the gods live together in the same "home"?

I think that when the mormons talk about family they mean everyone. Anyone who has ever come to earth and anyone who will. The way I understand it is that you have close ties with your family and friends here. You did before and you will after, but it functions as one big unit. Tasks are preformed in all levels. Very few people will make the celestial kingdom. Most of us will go to the terrestrial (LDS). But if you ask them, most of them will say they are going to the cel. kingdom. And I am sure that people like mother theresa will go to the Cel kingdom. It makes more since than singing on a cloud forever. People actually preform tasks. God creates and he asks us to create. I am not sure about any of this that is just the feeling I get from study.

[Tick]

2. Is it Doctrine that LDS gods will be creating and populating other worlds? Or just speculation? If they are Creators, how is their "earth family" together forever with them? Again, is it in visits between worlds? Do they share the same homeworld? Like "Kolob"? If so, would there have been other LDS gods with Elohim at Kolob creating their own worlds?

I dont think many people in the church get in to this subject. Not because it is sacred, but because they dont know. The leaders havent come out and discussed this lately. Some LDS take it to far. The church preaches mainly serveing your fellow man. As for createing other worlds, yes god does it. And it would make sence that he would use other being to help. Otherwise what use would we be.

[Amillia]

Originally posted by Tick@Apr 28 2005, 03:58 PM

Jason is basically right. He has some anger issues, but he is right. edited by moderator. And they will make fun of you if you discuss it with them, but I find that most people are drawn to the truth, even if they are makeing fun of you to look cool. Jason probably thinks he is cool. This life is to discover if you are fake or not. Jason put on a good show in the pre-life. He has included himself in the building (Nephi's dream). He probably put on a good show here. He may have even served a mission. But the devil discovers us all. I would not take to much council from jason. You may find that jason is 10 times more dangerous than the ones that are making fun of you.

LOL, you are so right on everything!

These anti's remind me of a scripture found in John 8. They are just like those who apposed Christ.

[Jason]

Maureen,

The best thing to do with ignorant people is ignore them. Thanks for the kind words though.

[Amillia]

Originally posted by ExMormon-Jason@Apr 29 2005, 10:37 AM

Maureen,

The best thing to do with ignorant people is ignore them. Thanks for the kind words though.

So why come to a board where you obvious have nothing to contribute?

[Jenda]

Originally posted by Tick@Apr 28 2005, 02:58 PM

Jason is basically right. He has some anger issues, but he is right. I think he is upset with the fact that god has given him a 4 inch winky in mortality. And they will make fun of you if you discuss it with them, but I find that most people are drawn to the truth, even if they are makeing fun of you to look cool. Jason probably thinks he is cool. This life is to discover if you are fake or not. Jason put on a good show in the pre-life. He has included himself in the building (Nephi's dream). He probably put on a good show here. He may have even served a mission. But the devil discovers us all. I would not take to much council from jason. You may find that jason is 10 times more dangerous than the ones that are making fun of you.

I think Jason was just joking around.

[StrawberryFields]

I too like Jason. Does this cause a problem?

[Amillia]

Originally posted by Jenda+Apr 29 2005, 10:58 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Jenda @ Apr 29 2005, 10:58 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Tick@Apr 28 2005, 02:58 PM

Jason is basically right. He has some anger issues, but he is right. edited by moderator And they will make fun of you if you discuss it with them, but I find that most people are drawn to the truth, even if they are makeing fun of you to look cool. Jason probably thinks he is cool. This life is to discover if you are fake or not. Jason put on a good show in the pre-life. He has included himself in the building (Nephi's dream). He probably put on a good show here. He may have even served a mission. But the devil discovers us all. I would not take to much council from jason. You may find that jason is 10 times more dangerous than the ones that are making fun of you.

I think Jason was just joking around.

Where was he joking around? Would you quote it for me?

[Amillia]

Originally posted by Strawberry Fields@Apr 29 2005, 11:02 AM

I too like Jason. Does this cause a problem?

Where was it stated that liking Jason would cause a problem? and what kind problem were you thinking it would cause?

[StrawberryFields]

I believe what Jason said to be basically right with much sarcasm thrown in.

Joe, really does need some answers, he is special and looking for the truth. It is hard enough standing up for the truth when you have all of the answers. Joe, try to remember that people often make fun of things they fear or don't understand. When teaching others the gospel it is important to do it in the right setting and to reply on the spirit. Teaching several boys at once placed you in a pot and they lit the fire. I think that it could possibly be a waste of time for you to try and undo what has occurred with these boys. Try to just let it go and teach them by your example of living the gospel. Who know, maybe one by one they might come to you with some questions.

[Dale]

Hi,

Joe I would have said you don't have to obey church rules to be saved from Hell. Next time avoid talking about spirit prison. I also suggest you avoid talking about the three heavens. Now LDS believe exaltation is by grace couple with gospel obedience. You might have to explain how salvation of any sort can be a gift if conditioned upon obedience. I heard a wonderful illustration in a book. It involved a king & a kings son sent to pich apples & put them in a basketin the kings orchard. After he done with his task half of the kingdom was given to the son as a gift. He didn't earn it through fulfilling a small task. But the king could have refused to offer him a gift because the task wasn't fulfilled he's done with his tasks

Spirit prison & three heavens is a topic I have debated. Some Christians like Gleason Archer In His Encyclopedia of Bible Difficulties believe Ephesians 4:8-10 believe that Jesus went to an infernal paradise. And that Jesus when he was ressurected that place ceased to exist. Others say it has nothing to do with an infernal paradise.(pg 367,368 commentary on Luke 23:43) The idea of his was that person's liberated from hades spirit prison then went to heaven. Other one volume Bible commentaries I have see Jesus as descending to earth & going to the abode of God inbetween his death & ressurection.

Most others see only two destinations in the afterlife heaven, or hell.

About polygamy & Joseph Smith Jr. that's my area of interest me where's the forum?

Sincerely,

Dale

[Guest Taoist_Saint]

Have a nice summer!

[john doe]

As a bystander, I suggest all three of you go to your separate corners until you can control your compulsions to demean each other and yourselves. Take a break from trolling and responding to the trolling for a while and it will eventually diminish to a manageable level.

[Dale]

Hi,

I like you Jason as well. I like all of you.

Try & tone down the post as everybody has faults.

Sincerely,

Dale

[Jenda]

Originally posted by Taoist_Saint@Apr 29 2005, 09:38 PM

Having been away from the boards for almost a year, I did not get much time to get to know Amillia. I see she joined us in mid 2004? So what I am about to say might be wrong, because I don't know her well enough...

But I have a suspicion about Amillia.

I think she may be an Anti-Mormon who is here pretending to be a True Believing Mormon, and is acting all fanatical and self-righteous so that that it will make Mormons look bad.

We all know many "normal" Mormons are good humble people...most are, at least, polite.

With that in mind, Amillia is very likely posing as a Mormon on this board, so that people who read this board will think all Mormons are as intolerant as she is.

Someone correct me if I am wrong, and I will apologize for the assumption.

Amilia is someone who used to post here by a different name and is not an anti-.

[Amillia]

Originally posted by Taoist_Saint@Apr 29 2005, 10:38 PM

Having been away from the boards for almost a year, I did not get much time to get to know Amillia. I see she joined us in mid 2004? So what I am about to say might be wrong, because I don't know her well enough...

But I have a suspicion about Amillia.

I think she may be an Anti-Mormon who is here pretending to be a True Believing Mormon, and is acting all fanatical and self-righteous so that that it will make Mormons look bad.

We all know many "normal" Mormons are good humble people...most are, at least, polite.

With that in mind, Amillia is very likely posing as a Mormon on this board, so that people who read this board will think all Mormons are as intolerant as she is.

Someone correct me if I am wrong, and I will apologize for the assumption.

I am as humble as any good Mormon. I just speak against those who would casually make statements that would indicate the church isn't true or that JS was a wicked man, or that the bofM isn't true scripture.

If that makes me a fanatic, then those who are considered humble by you, must be the anti's because they aren't fercly defending the church and it's truthfulness.