Guest LDSister Posted November 17, 2005 Report Share Posted November 17, 2005 Originally posted by Please@Nov 17 2005, 04:04 PMI wonder about being sensitive to our husbands... or if this is just a one way road...?←____________________________I believe in this context, that the leaders are concerned about the physical and emotional burden that women have in caring for the children. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiannan Posted November 17, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2005 As Napoleon Dynamite might say "GOSH"! I was talking about sex -- not childbirth! If a man or woman doesn't want to get pregnant at that very moment maybe there are techniques that can be employed that minimize that possibility. Just take Bill for an example... And again, is Hillary partially or fully responsible for Bill's seeking others? When affiars take place aren't there cases in which the other spouse might share a huge amount of the blame? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Member_Deleted Posted November 17, 2005 Report Share Posted November 17, 2005 Originally posted by LDSister+Nov 17 2005, 04:12 PM--><!--QuoteBegin-Please@Nov 17 2005, 04:04 PMI wonder about being sensitive to our husbands... or if this is just a one way road...?←____________________________I believe in this context, that the leaders are concerned about the physical and emotional burden that women have in caring for the children.←Yes I know. The majority of the neglectors in a couple are the men...But my younger brother happens to be one who lives in the minority group of neglected men.When he was a young married... he worked double shifts as a lpn and went to school while his wife, also an lpn, worked one shift. He did most the house work because she was pregnant... but after the baby... she stayed at home with the baby and did nothing but watch soap operas and litterally crapped up the house...He would come home from a double shift every other day and school every day and have to not only clean the house but take care of the baby while she got out of the house for a break...Seriously... he aged in his first 10 years of marriage so badly... that when my mom died and we were all at the funeral... no one could believe I looked a good 10 years younger than him. He finally had become an RN and was till working double shifts and taking care3 of her and the kids...He couldn't divorce her because her parents had money and would make sure they had a lawyer take the kids away from him... Anyway... after he got his masters and became an MD... she finally backed off because now he was making great money and that was what she wanted... but he still has to do much of the house work when he is not working...The kids are all grown now and they are empty nesters... but he really wasn't treated well at all in any catagory...He came to me way long ago and asked me how things were between me and Joe in the bedroom and what it was that women wanted... because his wife was more into her own life... than into their marriage...This has made me a little biased... especially since me and my hubby enjoy being together intimately ... as often as time and circumstances allow... I just feel sorry for other guys who don't have some say so about when they get their needs met... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USNationalist Posted November 17, 2005 Report Share Posted November 17, 2005 <<And marriage is an eternal unit, continuing beyond the grave. Isn't it a wonderful plan? You needn't be alone throughout eternity.>> -...why would you be alone throughtout eternity? The relationship between husband an wife is disolved in death. There is no longer father and son, mother and daughter, or any other such relation. They were nothing but linkings of the flesh which is now dead and gone. Just one big happy spiritual "family" awaits you after death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiannan Posted November 17, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2005 That sounds Hindu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Member_Deleted Posted November 17, 2005 Report Share Posted November 17, 2005 Originally posted by USNationalist@Nov 17 2005, 04:28 PM<<And marriage is an eternal unit, continuing beyond the grave.Isn't it a wonderful plan? You needn't be alone throughout eternity.>>-...why would you be alone throughtout eternity? The relationship between husband an wife is disolved in death. There is no longer father and son, mother and daughter, or any other such relation. They were nothing but linkings of the flesh which is now dead and gone. Just one big happy spiritual "family" awaits you after death.←Actually not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LDSister Posted November 17, 2005 Report Share Posted November 17, 2005 Originally posted by Fiannan@Nov 17 2005, 04:11 PMYou have not answered my question -- does Hillary deserve the blame (some or all) for Bill seeking other women? And Paul was refering to missionaries in that passage, not regular people. What do you have against sex? What do you think Freud would say reading your posts ranting against rock music (not really mentioned in the scriptures) yet questioning a passage in the Bible you seem to just take issue with?←___________________________Well, in regard to Hillary Billary...I didn't realize you had posed a question in that regard. Hillary is rumored to be bisexual, so what they do behind closed doors is their business. The problem is that the cat was let out of the bag, so to speak. Yes, Paul was encouraging men who chose to serve missions to not get married. Thankfully, there are ward missions now for marrieds.And why would you presume I have anything against sex? Did I say that?Freud wasn't 100% right; and he wouldn't have much to say about the rock and roll generation, never having experienced it. Also, was I ranting in my posts? I thought I was just discussing...you know...like you are? Which Bible passage are you suggesting that I take issue with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Posted November 17, 2005 Report Share Posted November 17, 2005 Originally posted by LDSister@Nov 17 2005, 03:00 PMIncidentally, Paul stated that it is better for man to remain unmarried, to devote his life to the Lord. (Another reason we wouldn't get along. lol)I recommend that you study some more about the apostle Paul, because I believe there is more reasoning and evidence to suggest that he WAS married than not.Sorry, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LDSister Posted November 17, 2005 Report Share Posted November 17, 2005 Originally posted by USNationalist@Nov 17 2005, 04:28 PM<<And marriage is an eternal unit, continuing beyond the grave.Isn't it a wonderful plan? You needn't be alone throughout eternity.>>-...why would you be alone throughtout eternity? The relationship between husband an wife is disolved in death. There is no longer father and son, mother and daughter, or any other such relation. They were nothing but linkings of the flesh which is now dead and gone. Just one big happy spiritual "family" awaits you after death.←________________________LDS believe that life is eternal, and therefore, families are forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Posted November 17, 2005 Report Share Posted November 17, 2005 Originally posted by USNationalist@Nov 17 2005, 03:28 PM<<And marriage is an eternal unit, continuing beyond the grave.Isn't it a wonderful plan? You needn't be alone throughout eternity.>>-...why would you be alone throughtout eternity? The relationship between husband an wife is disolved in death. There is no longer father and son, mother and daughter, or any other such relation. They were nothing but linkings of the flesh which is now dead and gone. Just one big happy spiritual "family" awaits you after death.←That's your belief. Not ours [LDS].And btw, we also believe that people won't have to be married to their spouses in eternity, if they really don't want to be. But everyone will have the choice, if they want it and do what is necessary to make it happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dizzysmiles Posted November 17, 2005 Report Share Posted November 17, 2005 Finanian, what clinton did was HIS SIN, mabey there was turmoil in the marraige and therefore it was both their mistake to not work it out but he is the one to do the deed, no matter what hillary did he is the only person to put the blame on as wel as monica.. we dont get the blame for adam's sin nether should she, second all as well as sex is importnat we do need to learn to control appiotiets if it is out of control like lds says, second.. you knew what i was when you picked me up, remember you know what the snake does so why even mess with it? ask bill that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LDSister Posted November 17, 2005 Report Share Posted November 17, 2005 Originally posted by Ray+Nov 17 2005, 04:37 PM--><!--QuoteBegin-LDSister@Nov 17 2005, 03:00 PMIncidentally, Paul stated that it is better for man to remain unmarried, to devote his life to the Lord. (Another reason we wouldn't get along. lol)I recommend that you study some more about the apostle Paul, because I believe there is more reasoning and evidence to suggest that he WAS married than not.Sorry, ←_____________________If Paul was married, why did he encourage men to stay single? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Member_Deleted Posted November 17, 2005 Report Share Posted November 17, 2005 Fiannan... I am getting the feeling that the polygamy thing and the wife thread are telling us something about your marriage... are you a neglected male?looking for women and looking at porn? Why don't you get counselling with her? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LDSister Posted November 17, 2005 Report Share Posted November 17, 2005 Originally posted by Please@Nov 17 2005, 04:46 PMFiannan... I am getting the feeling that the polygamy thing and the wife thread are telling us something about your marriage... are you a neglected male?looking for women and looking at porn?Why don't you get counselling with her?←__________________Holy jumpin' catfish!!! Fiannan is a male??? All this time I thought he was a female!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dizzysmiles Posted November 17, 2005 Report Share Posted November 17, 2005 ouch please LOL.. finanain if thats the case go to lds .org they have addiction classes for it, do you fantaisies a lot ? or are you seriously just wondering? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dizzysmiles Posted November 17, 2005 Report Share Posted November 17, 2005 lol lds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Posted November 17, 2005 Report Share Posted November 17, 2005 Originally posted by LDSister+Nov 17 2005, 03:44 PM-->Originally posted by Ray@Nov 17 2005, 04:37 PM<!--QuoteBegin-LDSister@Nov 17 2005, 03:00 PMIncidentally, Paul stated that it is better for man to remain unmarried, to devote his life to the Lord. (Another reason we wouldn't get along. lol)I recommend that you study some more about the apostle Paul, because I believe there is more reasoning and evidence to suggest that he WAS married than not.Sorry, ←_____________________If Paul was married, why did he encourage men to stay single?←I believe I know which words of the apostle Paul you are referring to, but I believe you are making a false assumption regarding what he meant. And if you choose to disagree with me, I hope you will at least be able to admit that he might have been referring to something else... like being able to endure separation from his spouse without any thought of committing adultery.Anyway, I'd rather not get into this right now, for several reasons, but there are several good books which could give you some more information if you really want to know more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LDSister Posted November 17, 2005 Report Share Posted November 17, 2005 Originally posted by Ray@Nov 17 2005, 04:59 PMI believe I know which words of the apostle Paul you are referring to, but I believe you are making a false assumption regarding what he meant. And if you choose to disagree with me, I hope you will at least be able to admit that he might have been referring to something else... like being able to endure separation from his spouse without any thought of committing adultery.Anyway, I'd rather not get into this right now, for several reasons, but there are several good books which could give you some more information if you really want to know more. ←____________________________I believe Paul was speaking in regard to missionary work. Regardless of what Paul was referring to, he was still encouraging men to stay single. I'd rather study the Book of Mormon, than read about Paul, but thank you for your suggestion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LDSister Posted November 17, 2005 Report Share Posted November 17, 2005 While we're on the subject, a thought occurred to me...how did one's needs get met when men were called on missions, which lasted years in many cases? Did the couple each resort to having affairs? Was there such a thing as pornography in the early days of the church? Or did they become bisexual, to satisfy their appetites while the couple was separated by time and distance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Posted November 17, 2005 Report Share Posted November 17, 2005 Originally posted by LDSister@Nov 17 2005, 04:11 PMI believe Paul was speaking in regard to missionary work. Regardless of what Paul was referring to, he was still encouraging men to stay single. I'd rather study the Book of Mormon, than read about Paul, but thank you for your suggestion.President Hinckley has encouraged some men to remain single too, on several occasions, but that doesn't mean President Hinckley doesn't ever want those men to get married.You're taking a single thought or two from the scriptures and forming a conclusion about what was meant but not stated, and that's the main reason I brought this up.Or in other words, I'm not as concerned about your belief about Paul being married (or not) as I am about the means you have used to come to your conclusion, which is why I suggested that some more studying might be helpful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LDSister Posted November 17, 2005 Report Share Posted November 17, 2005 Originally posted by Ray+Nov 17 2005, 05:20 PM--><!--QuoteBegin-LDSister@Nov 17 2005, 04:11 PMI believe Paul was speaking in regard to missionary work. Regardless of what Paul was referring to, he was still encouraging men to stay single. I'd rather study the Book of Mormon, than read about Paul, but thank you for your suggestion.President Hinckley has encouraged some men to remain single too, on several occasions, but that doesn't mean President Hinckley doesn't ever want those men to get married.You're taking a single thought or two from the scriptures and forming a conclusion about what was meant but not stated, and that's the main reason I brought this up.Or in other words, I'm not as concerned about your belief about Paul being married (or not) as I am about the means you have used to come to your conclusion, which is why I suggested that some more studying might be helpful.←__________________Am I mistaken? Did Paul not say it was better for men to be single, in regard to serving missions, for instance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Posted November 17, 2005 Report Share Posted November 17, 2005 Originally posted by LDSister+Nov 17 2005, 04:35 PM-->Originally posted by Ray@Nov 17 2005, 05:20 PM<!--QuoteBegin-LDSister@Nov 17 2005, 04:11 PMI believe Paul was speaking in regard to missionary work. Regardless of what Paul was referring to, he was still encouraging men to stay single. I'd rather study the Book of Mormon, than read about Paul, but thank you for your suggestion.President Hinckley has encouraged some men to remain single too, on several occasions, but that doesn't mean President Hinckley doesn't ever want those men to get married.You're taking a single thought or two from the scriptures and forming a conclusion about what was meant but not stated, and that's the main reason I brought this up.Or in other words, I'm not as concerned about your belief about Paul being married (or not) as I am about the means you have used to come to your conclusion, which is why I suggested that some more studying might be helpful.←__________________Am I mistaken? Did Paul not say it was better for men to be single, in regard to serving missions, for instance?←While serving missions, yes, that is a for instance. But before it seemed that you were using what he said to suggest that Paul was never married, and that he was telling other men that it was better for them to never get married too, and as I said, I don't see any reason to believe that he was saying that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Member_Deleted Posted November 17, 2005 Report Share Posted November 17, 2005 Originally posted by LDSister+Nov 17 2005, 05:35 PM-->Originally posted by Ray@Nov 17 2005, 05:20 PM<!--QuoteBegin-LDSister@Nov 17 2005, 04:11 PMI believe Paul was speaking in regard to missionary work. Regardless of what Paul was referring to, he was still encouraging men to stay single. I'd rather study the Book of Mormon, than read about Paul, but thank you for your suggestion.President Hinckley has encouraged some men to remain single too, on several occasions, but that doesn't mean President Hinckley doesn't ever want those men to get married.You're taking a single thought or two from the scriptures and forming a conclusion about what was meant but not stated, and that's the main reason I brought this up.Or in other words, I'm not as concerned about your belief about Paul being married (or not) as I am about the means you have used to come to your conclusion, which is why I suggested that some more studying might be helpful.←__________________Am I mistaken? Did Paul not say it was better for men to be single, in regard to serving missions, for instance?←Could anyone give a reference... scripture? What I learned in institute the year's study Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiannan Posted November 18, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 While we're on the subject, a thought occurred to me...how did one's needs get met when men were called on missions, which lasted years in many cases? Did the couple each resort to having affairs? Was there such a thing as pornography in the early days of the church? Or did they become bisexual, to satisfy their appetites while the couple was separated by time and distance? Oh...the Freudian in me is asking what nerve in the subconscious did I zap for that thought! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outshined Posted November 18, 2005 Report Share Posted November 18, 2005 Yes, it looks like you hit quite a nerve with the subject in general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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