Charity With Someone Else;s Property.

[dontagreeljefe]

President Kimball told the story of how someone lost her ring so the insurance company paid her 2000 grand. She found it a year later and did not feel good about keeping the money so she decided to write a check out to the boy scouts. Did the money belong to the insurance company or boy scouts.

There is the story of a friend of George Albert Smiths who was wealthy and gave 10 percent of his income to charity and that is how he paid his tithing to something he felt was a good cause. President Smith said I think you are an awfully generous man with someone else;s property. the lord has been your best partner and you gave his money away. 10 percent of our paycheck is the lords to do what he wants with it we have no business giving it to charity. his money.

With that said some pople justify government programs to help the poor and disadvantaged. Even saying it;s chrisitan charity. But is it. Do you have a right to take money or property from one persons house to give to another. Government charity is charity with another mans property. Jesus told the rich young man to give to the poor and it wasn't general but just to teach him according to Bruce R McConkie in DNTc. We should be willing to give. He had to be willing. But he had the choice to make. We don't have a right to be charitable with someone else;s property and money. That is theft. There is nothing Christian about being charitable with someone else;s property.

[Justlooking]

She can call the insurance company and let them know.

When I bought my computer they had a rebate so I got all the paper work together and sent it in. Before the 90 days were over tho, there was some manufacturer defect with it and I had to exchange it. The model I had bought was defective, and there wasnt anything with the features that I wanted in from that company so I choose a different brand.

I had forgotton all about the rebates I had sent in since it had been over 2 months. Then one day I recieved a check for a couple of hundred dollars from the 1st computer. So I called them and explained the situation. The attendant was surprized that I was even calling about it. I explained that I serve CHRIST and honesty is the best policy.

He spoke with his supervisor and told me to go ahead and keep the check since I had been inconvinienced, and there was no way to redeposit it back into the company funds since that had been allocated as rebate money.

Someone from church later came up and told me they needed money for medicine. Hence the money went there.

[Jason]

Originally posted by dontagreeljefe@Nov 25 2005, 11:41 AM

President Smith said I think you are an awfully generous man with someone else;s property.  the lord has been your best partner and you gave his money away.  10 percent of our paycheck is the lords to do what he wants with it we have no business giving it to charity. his money.

Funny, but I don't ever recall seeing your god's name on my paycheck. (Well...ok. Technically, for those two quarters I taught Seminary, your god's name was on my paycheck. But that's the only time I ever saw Jesus on my check!) B)

[pushka]

Originally posted by dontagreeljefe@Nov 25 2005, 05:41 PM

  With that said some pople justify government programs to help the poor and disadvantaged. Even saying it;s chrisitan charity.

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Just curious, what would you prefer happened to those poor and disadvantaged people? if charity which was given under no obligation was not sufficient to meet their needs?

[dontagreeljefe]

Originally posted by pushka+Nov 26 2005, 07:05 AM-->

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   With that said some pople justify government programs to help the poor and disadvantaged. Even saying it;s chrisitan charity.

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Just curious, what would you prefer happened to those poor and disadvantaged people? if charity which was given under no obligation was not sufficient to meet their needs?

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What is going to happen since government cannot create wealth when there is not enough money from the government to care for those people.

[pushka]

Well, if the government didn't spend so much money invading other countries, it might still have enough money to use for the poor and needy...

[dontagreeljefe]

Defense is in the us constitution health care food stamps caring for the needy isn't. Were in the constitution is autorization to care for the less fortunate.

A strong military protecting us is in it. There is a terrorist network. World war 2 we didn't directly attack japan. There is a war on terror and we need to nip it in the bud. In the 1930;s someone thought it was a good idea to make piece with a dictator who cant keep his promises and we know what happened. Defense is in the constitution charity isnt.

[Laureltree]

I think she surely should have called the insurence company.....

[pushka]

Originally posted by dontagreeljefe@Nov 27 2005, 03:58 PM

Defense is in the us constitution health care food stamps caring for the needy isn't.  Were in the constitution is autorization to care for the less fortunate. 

  A strong military protecting us is in it.  There is a terrorist network.  World war 2 we didn't directly attack japan.  There is a war on terror and we need to nip it in the bud.  In the 1930;s someone thought it was a good idea to make piece with a dictator who cant keep his promises and we know what happened.  Defense is in the constitution charity isnt.

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I agree with you that defense is important, it's the interfering in other countries wars/disputes that I disagree with...anyway, that's a different subject.

"health care food stamps caring for the needy isn't. Were in the constitution is autorization to care for the less fortunate."

This doesn't make your Constitution sound very nice/Christian does it? Methinks it's about time somebody re wrote the Constitution... :)

[dontagreeljefe]

Originally posted by pushka+Nov 27 2005, 05:04 PM-->

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Defense is in the us constitution health care food stamps caring for the needy isn't.  Were in the constitution is autorization to care for the less fortunate.  

   A strong military protecting us is in it.  There is a terrorist network.  World war 2 we didn't directly attack japan.  There is a war on terror and we need to nip it in the bud.  In the 1930;s someone thought it was a good idea to make piece with a dictator who cant keep his promises and we know what happened.  Defense is in the constitution charity isnt.

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I agree with you that defense is important, it's the interfering in other countries wars/disputes that I disagree with...anyway, that's a different subject.

"health care food stamps caring for the needy isn't. Were in the constitution is autorization to care for the less fortunate."

This doesn't make your Constitution sound very nice/Christian does it? Methinks it's about time somebody re wrote the Constitution... :)

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It is noble to dig into your own pocket to help your neighbors. It isn't to dig into your neighbors that is theft. Some people do fall on hard times but people survived with individual and church charity. In the doctrine and covenants it says the lord raised up people for the constitution. 9th and 10th amendments say what is not in federal constitution is reserved to states and people.

What would of happened to your nation if the us didnt help you in world war II. Britian had a fourth of the world too and is much older than the us who fought a war to keep us and needed our help.

There is interests at stake in Iraq and was in world war II we entered because we were attacked and had to nip it in the bud. Cold war was that way too. Didn't go directly to russia. Here is a couple of articles on charity and going to war in the right places. http://www.lonsberry.com/writings.cfm?story=1508&go=4

http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/w.../socialism.html

[pushka]

Thanks for the links, I will look at them more closely later...it's earlyish morning here, at least for me!! LOL.

As for the charity issue...yes, people did survive with help from individuals and the Church charities, in centuries gone by...however when the needs of the people became too great, due to mass unemployment (speaking of the UK here, after the US Civil War and the decline of our weaving industry in Lancashire, Burnley where I was born) we had to resort to masses of people being placed into terrible Workhouses where families were separated from each other until they had the means to work again...there are many sources of info. about the neglect within these workhouses...I'm sure we would love to return to that situation again...

[dontagreeljefe]

It is amazing how many people will learn how to swim if they are forced to sink. that goes for charity too. digging into someone elses pocket that is force