Some Russian Leaders Propose Legalizing Polygamy.

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What this story proves (if Bruce McConkie's sister's story about Emma is true...since we are no longer debating whether or not I heard her say it) is that not all of the women in the Church will buy into polygamy (even though there is no need to buy into it, since the Church has outlawed it). And some women might get downright hostile if their husbands brought another wife into their home (and into their husband's bed), as demonstrated in the story that I heard Bruce McConkie's sister recount in our stake Relief Society meeting about Emma pushing a pregnant Eliza down the stairs.

What it proves to me is that some people will revel in gossip to liven up their conversation regardless of whether there is proof of its truth. That's what McConkie's sister did. By painting Emma as a murderer without proof of such (and doing it in Church), she sullied Emmas name.

There is no proof that Joseph ever "brought another woman into his bed" or that Emma killed an unborn baby by pushing its mother down a flight of stairs. That is sensationlism and pure gossip, and it saddens me to hear that someone chose to spread that in Church.

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Bruce McConkie's sister did not say that Emma had committed murder.

You said she stated that Emma pushed a pregnant woman down a flight of stairs; that is in the least attempted murder. The urban legend says the woman miscarried, which would indeed be murder. In any case it is heresay and gossip, and had no place in Church.

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Yes, in Bruce McConkie's sister's story, Emma pushed a pregnant Eliza down the stairs. How pregnant was Eliza? I don't know. How many flights of stairs? I don't know. What were Emma's intentions? I don't know. What I do know and remember is hearing the sisters snickering during the telling of the story. ;-)

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That snickering says all we need to about the nature of that story. As said, such gossip and mean-spiritedness has no place in Church.

It's really sad to think of sisters sitting in RS laughing at the thought of a pregnant woman being pushed down stairs.

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By the way, on the original topic, I can see what the PM is saying about the state of their people. It's sad. They can choose the law they want for their country, of course.

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In any case it is heresay and gossip, and had no place in Church.

The best judge of character is our Heavenly Father, who knows the truth and the state of the heart.

Absolutely; all the more reason not to spread gossip in His house, or laugh at it.

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If either proposal did come up for vote in this country, I'm sure the turnout would be impressive. Such drastic issues tend to bring the voters out.

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Absolutely; all the more reason not to spread gossip in His house, or laugh at it.

As Judge Judy says, "shoulda woulda coulda". I woulda not waste my time dealing with the "shouldas", as we coulda not do much about it.

True, though sisters spreading and snickering at such a tale in Church does not sound edifying at all. In fact, it sounds like the work of the adversary...

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<span style="font-family:Garamond">The more the merrier is all i have to say...well for the men anyway. they aerent any different than us mormons so who are we to judge. </span>

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True, though sisters spreading and snickering at such a tale in Church does not sound edifying at all. In fact, it sounds like the work of the adversary...

I guess you had to be there. LOL

No thanks, I prefer Church classes to add value to the Sabbath, not detract from it.

The more the merrier is all i have to say...well for the men anyway. they aerent any different than us mormons so who are we to judge.

In the case of the Chechens, it has little to do with merriment and more to do with a shortage of men due to war.

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...providing that the Christian majority make their voices heard.

Yes...and providing it is put to a vote and not simply declared an implied right under the constitution by the courts.

As my dad always said: "There's more than one way to skin a cat."

I'm with PrisonChap on this one. It will eventually be legalized, but the Church will not change its stand on it when that happens.

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Absolutely; all the more reason not to spread gossip in His house, or laugh at it.

As Judge Judy says, "shoulda woulda coulda". I woulda not waste my time dealing with the "shouldas", as we coulda not do much about it.

True, though sisters spreading and snickering at such a tale in Church does not sound edifying at all. In fact, it sounds like the work of the adversary...

I agree that it was pretty cold (to say the least) of the women to snicker at such a thing. I'm actually quite surprised.

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True, though sisters spreading and snickering at such a tale in Church does not sound edifying at all. In fact, it sounds like the work of the adversary...

I guess you had to be there. LOL

No thanks, I prefer Church classes to add value to the Sabbath, not detract from it.

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I agree with you about church classes adding value to the Sabbath, not detracting from it.

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This was a Relief Society [Church] meeting.

Are they held to a lower standard of Christianity?

How would you respond if your spouse brought home a "sister wife" or a brother husband" to share your life and your spouse's bed? Especially if you had no say in the matter whatsoever...the decision had been made entirely in disregard to your feelings, and you were powerless to change it. As I said before, I might have reacted as Emma did. But maybe I'd push my husband down the stairs right along with her. LOL

In all honesty, I can't believe there isn't at least one person on this forum who would take kindly to that sort of humiliation and degradation. I think the sisters' responses spoke multitudes of their disdain for polygamy. So come on guys (and gals)...fess up!

1. The story is not fact, but an unproven rumor, the same as gossip. Sensationalism to get the blood up and stifle the spirit, which it apparently did.

2. And anyone who would laugh at the thought of a pregnant woman being thrown down stairs is not the sort I'd want beside me in Church.

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You seem to be confused; no one is questioning that you heard the story, just that the story is true.

I personally doubt it, but am still saddened by the conduct of those sisters.

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No thanks, I prefer Church classes to add value to the Sabbath, not detract from it.

This was a Relief Society [Church] meeting. ;-)

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Absolutely; all the more reason not to spread gossip in His house, or laugh at it.

As Judge Judy says, "shoulda woulda coulda". I woulda not waste my time dealing with the "shouldas", as we coulda not do much about it.

True, though sisters spreading and snickering at such a tale in Church does not sound edifying at all. In fact, it sounds like the work of the adversary...

I agree that it was pretty cold (to say the least) of the women to snicker at such a thing. I'm actually quite surprised.

How would you respond if your spouse brought home a "sister wife" or a brother husband" to share your life and your spouse's bed? Especially if you had no say in the matter whatsoever...the decision had been made entirely in disregard to your feelings, and you were powerless to change it. As I said before, I might have reacted as Emma did. But maybe I'd push my husband down the stairs right along with her. LOL

In all honesty, I can't believe there isn't at least one person on this forum who would take kindly to that sort of humiliation and degradation. I think the sisters' responses spoke multitudes of their disdain for polygamy. So come on guys (and gals)...fess up!

Honestly, this is the issue that led me out of the LDS church about 1 1/2 years ago. I could never come to grips with it. I am of the opinion that God would never have us women go through emotions as horrible as that... therefore, it is my opinion that Joseph Smith was a man who was able to convince a lot of people of a lot of things. After making my mind up on this point, I found out about many other pieces of church history that did not sit well, convincing me 100% that it was not inspired.

You're really making my point for me, Aristotle. And no, I would not take kindly to it if I was in Emma's situation. However, I would never intentionally hurt anyone (especially a pregnant lady), unless I was trying to protect my child from bodily harm. She was harmed enough, IMO, when she became one of Brigham Young's umpteen wives after Smith was killed.

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Aristotle,

Granted, it is hearsay, as everything will be on the matter, but I did find this page with a quick search. My point is just to show you that there are people on both sides of the fence who would swear they are correct. It all depends on who you decide to believe.

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Interesting to find one rendition had Emma turning this little lady out the door in her nighgown and the other one stating Joseph carried her up the stairs?