Guest JLHyde Posted February 26, 2004 Report Posted February 26, 2004 What do you think of the idea "As man is God once was, and, as God is man may become." I don't know that we teach that. Quote
Guest curvette Posted February 26, 2004 Report Posted February 26, 2004 Originally posted by JLHyde@Feb 26 2004, 01:42 PM What do you think of the idea"As man is God once was, and, as God is man may become."I don't know that we teach that. I think we do teach it and it is doctrine. Quote
Guest Posted February 27, 2004 Report Posted February 27, 2004 Originally posted by curvette+Feb 26 2004, 04:41 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (curvette @ Feb 26 2004, 04:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--JLHyde@Feb 26 2004, 01:42 PM What do you think of the idea"As man is God once was, and, as God is man may become."I don't know that we teach that. I think we do teach it and it is doctrine. It is not doctrine because this teaching is not found in the Standard Works. Quote
Outshined Posted February 27, 2004 Report Posted February 27, 2004 Is the concept doctrinal?http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/respons.../qa/godhood.htmhttp://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/respons.../god_sinner.htm Quote
Guest Posted February 27, 2004 Report Posted February 27, 2004 What, prophet's aren't allowed to have opinions now? Quote
Snow Posted February 27, 2004 Report Posted February 27, 2004 Originally posted by Kudos@Feb 26 2004, 05:50 PM It is not doctrine because this teaching is not found in the Standard Works. Wrong answer.Doctrine is not so defined because of it's location (standard works) but is the eternal, unchanging, simple truths of the gospel of Jesus Christ, regardless of where it is found. Quote
Guest curvette Posted February 27, 2004 Report Posted February 27, 2004 Originally posted by Kudos@Feb 26 2004, 05:50 PM It is not doctrine because this teaching is not found in the Standard Works. So then I guess they are teaching false doctrine in church. Quote
Guest Posted February 27, 2004 Report Posted February 27, 2004 Originally posted by Snow+Feb 26 2004, 09:22 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Snow @ Feb 26 2004, 09:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Kudos@Feb 26 2004, 05:50 PM It is not doctrine because this teaching is not found in the Standard Works. Wrong answer.Doctrine is not so defined because of it's location (standard works) but is the eternal, unchanging, simple truths of the gospel of Jesus Christ, regardless of where it is found. Did Jesus say that god was once a man, and that men can become gods? If not, how can it be a gospel of Jesus Christ? Quote
Guest curvette Posted February 27, 2004 Report Posted February 27, 2004 Originally posted by Kudos@Feb 26 2004, 08:36 PM Did Jesus say that god was once a man, and that men can become gods? If not, how can it be a gospel of Jesus Christ? I don't recall Jesus ever saying that in any of the scriptures. But anyone who has ever been endowed in an LDS temple knows that this is an official doctrine of the church. Quote
Guest Starsky Posted February 27, 2004 Report Posted February 27, 2004 Man, potential to become like Heavenly Father: Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father, Matt. 5: 48 (3 Ne. 12: 48). Is it not written in your law that ye are gods? John 10: 34 (D&C 76: 58). We may become heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, Rom. 8: 17. Thou art a son, and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ, Gal. 4: 7. When he shall appear, we shall be like him, 1 Jn. 3: 2. To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me on my throne, Rev. 3: 21. To them have I given to become the sons of God, 3 Ne. 9: 17. Those who inherit the celestial kingdom are gods, even the sons of God, D&C 76: 50, 58. Then shall they be gods, because they have all power, D&C 132: 20. Quote
srm Posted February 27, 2004 Report Posted February 27, 2004 Originally posted by Kudos+Feb 26 2004, 08:36 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Kudos @ Feb 26 2004, 08:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -Snow@Feb 26 2004, 09:22 PM <!--QuoteBegin--Kudos@Feb 26 2004, 05:50 PM It is not doctrine because this teaching is not found in the Standard Works. Wrong answer.Doctrine is not so defined because of it's location (standard works) but is the eternal, unchanging, simple truths of the gospel of Jesus Christ, regardless of where it is found. Did Jesus say that god was once a man, and that men can become gods? If not, how can it be a gospel of Jesus Christ? Palsms 82:6 Quote
Guest Starsky Posted February 27, 2004 Report Posted February 27, 2004 Originally posted by srm+Feb 27 2004, 08:45 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (srm @ Feb 27 2004, 08:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -Kudos@Feb 26 2004, 08:36 PM Originally posted by -Snow@Feb 26 2004, 09:22 PM <!--QuoteBegin--Kudos@Feb 26 2004, 05:50 PM It is not doctrine because this teaching is not found in the Standard Works. Wrong answer.Doctrine is not so defined because of it's location (standard works) but is the eternal, unchanging, simple truths of the gospel of Jesus Christ, regardless of where it is found. Did Jesus say that god was once a man, and that men can become gods? If not, how can it be a gospel of Jesus Christ? Palsms 82:6 Excellent. :) Quote
Guest curvette Posted February 27, 2004 Report Posted February 27, 2004 Originally posted by srm@Feb 27 2004, 08:45 AM Palsms 82:6 Uh, if memory serves--that was David. Quote
Rodney Posted February 27, 2004 Report Posted February 27, 2004 Originally posted by curvette+Feb 27 2004, 10:59 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (curvette @ Feb 27 2004, 10:59 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--srm@Feb 27 2004, 08:45 AM Palsms 82:6 Uh, if memory serves--that was David. David, Jesus, Amos, Andy. Hey, if it's in the Bible it's gotta be true, right? Quote
Guest Starsky Posted February 27, 2004 Report Posted February 27, 2004 Originally posted by curvette+Feb 27 2004, 09:59 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (curvette @ Feb 27 2004, 09:59 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--srm@Feb 27 2004, 08:45 AM Palsms 82:6 Uh, if memory serves--that was David. Who taught David? His Psalms were all about his spiritual insights ...and he received them like most people...through the Spirit of God.And BTW...isn't all the 'word of God' by the hand of inspired men? Quote
Guest TheProudDuck Posted February 28, 2004 Report Posted February 28, 2004 Originally posted by Peace+Feb 27 2004, 10:07 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peace @ Feb 27 2004, 10:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -curvette@Feb 27 2004, 09:59 AM <!--QuoteBegin--srm@Feb 27 2004, 08:45 AM Palsms 82:6 Uh, if memory serves--that was David. Who taught David? His Psalms were all about his spiritual insights ...and he received them like most people...through the Spirit of God.And BTW...isn't all the 'word of God' by the hand of inspired men? God has such a way with words:"... and will cut off from Ahab him that pisseth against the wall ..."(From 1 Kings 21:21) Quote
Guest Starsky Posted February 28, 2004 Report Posted February 28, 2004 Originally posted by TheProudDuck+Feb 27 2004, 05:22 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (TheProudDuck @ Feb 27 2004, 05:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -Peace@Feb 27 2004, 10:07 AM Originally posted by -curvette@Feb 27 2004, 09:59 AM <!--QuoteBegin--srm@Feb 27 2004, 08:45 AM Palsms 82:6 Uh, if memory serves--that was David. Who taught David? His Psalms were all about his spiritual insights ...and he received them like most people...through the Spirit of God.And BTW...isn't all the 'word of God' by the hand of inspired men? God has such a way with words:"... and will cut off from Ahab him that pisseth against the wall ..."(From 1 Kings 21:21) ROFL! Quote
Guest curvette Posted February 28, 2004 Report Posted February 28, 2004 Originally posted by Peace@Feb 27 2004, 10:07 AM Who taught David? His Psalms were all about his spiritual insights ...and he received them like most people...through the Spirit of God. I guess that's a matter of opinion. David wasn't even a prophet, he was a king. He could write or do whatever he wanted, have as many wives or mistresses as he wanted, kill as many people as he wanted. Yeah, I guess he was spiritual enough to speak for God! Quote
Guest curvette Posted February 28, 2004 Report Posted February 28, 2004 Originally posted by TheProudDuck@Feb 27 2004, 05:22 PM God has such a way with words:"... and will cut off from Ahab him that pisseth against the wall ..."(From 1 Kings 21:21) My personal favorite is in Isaiah 30:<<thou shalt cast them away as a menstruous cloth; thou shalt say unto it, Get thee hence!>>Such descriptive language! Quote
srm Posted February 28, 2004 Report Posted February 28, 2004 Originally posted by curvette+Feb 27 2004, 05:46 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (curvette @ Feb 27 2004, 05:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Peace@Feb 27 2004, 10:07 AM Who taught David? His Psalms were all about his spiritual insights ...and he received them like most people...through the Spirit of God. I guess that's a matter of opinion. David wasn't even a prophet, he was a king. He could write or do whatever he wanted, have as many wives or mistresses as he wanted, kill as many people as he wanted. Yeah, I guess he was spiritual enough to speak for God! Well, Jesus quoted this verse in Mark 10:34 thus verifying Davids words and verifying the doctrine Quote
Guest Starsky Posted February 28, 2004 Report Posted February 28, 2004 Originally posted by curvette+Feb 27 2004, 05:46 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (curvette @ Feb 27 2004, 05:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Peace@Feb 27 2004, 10:07 AM Who taught David? His Psalms were all about his spiritual insights ...and he received them like most people...through the Spirit of God. I guess that's a matter of opinion. David wasn't even a prophet, he was a king. He could write or do whatever he wanted, have as many wives or mistresses as he wanted, kill as many people as he wanted. Yeah, I guess he was spiritual enough to speak for God! His Psalms contained mega doctrine...even quoted by the church leaders alot. Quote
Guest Starsky Posted February 28, 2004 Report Posted February 28, 2004 Originally posted by srm+Feb 27 2004, 06:25 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (srm @ Feb 27 2004, 06:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -curvette@Feb 27 2004, 05:46 PM <!--QuoteBegin--Peace@Feb 27 2004, 10:07 AM Who taught David? His Psalms were all about his spiritual insights ...and he received them like most people...through the Spirit of God. I guess that's a matter of opinion. David wasn't even a prophet, he was a king. He could write or do whatever he wanted, have as many wives or mistresses as he wanted, kill as many people as he wanted. Yeah, I guess he was spiritual enough to speak for God! Well, Jesus quoted this verse in Mark 10:34 thus verifying Davids words and verifying the doctrine Exactly! Quote
Guest curvette Posted February 28, 2004 Report Posted February 28, 2004 Originally posted by srm@Feb 27 2004, 06:25 PM Well, Jesus quoted this verse in Mark 10:34 thus verifying Davids words and verifying the doctrine I think you mean John 10:34. Read it again. Jesus isn't verifying doctrine, he's asking the Pharisee's a question, "Is it not written...?" They were trying to trap him. He used their own laws to correct them. Quote
Guest Starsky Posted February 28, 2004 Report Posted February 28, 2004 John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?It is true He referred to their laws...but he also endorsed them:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him. Quote
Guest curvette Posted February 28, 2004 Report Posted February 28, 2004 Peace--please read it in context! The pharisees were accusing Jesus of blasphemy (a crime worthy of death) because he called himself the "son of God." Jesus responded by saying, "Well, your own scriptures state that you are (metaphorically)"gods", so how can you call me a blasphemer if I call myself the son of God?" He wasn't saying "You are literally gods because God told David you are gods." Quote
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