Holiness To The Lord The House Of The Lord

[honeybear]

HOLINESS TO THE LORD

THE HOUSE OF THE LORD

My question is which house of which lord?

a) in LDS theology no one, not even God, can be in more than

one place at one time,

B) in LDS theology there are many gods. So which lord lives in, say, the Oakland temple? in the Albuquerque temple? in the Salt Lake temple? in the Hong Kong temple? And the question applies to each of the however many temples the church has these days.

(When I joined the church in 1978, there were, IIRC, something like 20

total. Sometimes it seems these days like the church dedicates that many

in a year. And where most temples used to be in Utah, and the others

were all in major metropolitan areas, now the church is putting temples

in smaller and smaller cities; soon we may see one in little places like

Needles, California or Marlow, Oklahoma.

There's another question that inscription brings up: Is the Lord home?

For if He's elsewhere, He can't be in the temple. If He's busy on one of

the other worlds over which He's the sovereign, He can't be in any LDS

temple. If He's occupied in Russia, He can't be in the Provo temple. If

He's dealing with a situation in Tahiti, He can't be in the Oakland

temple.

Of course, we could adopt the Biblical view, which is that NO building is

God's house, but that God is always present with all His people, and,

therefore, wherever God's people are - on the freeway, in bed asleep,

shopping at Wal-Mart, wherever - is where God is at that precise moment.

And we could adopt the equally Biblical view that each one of God's

people is the temple - literally, in the original Greek, the Holy of

Holies - of God, and that God literally, therefore, dwells in each of His

people. Of course, to adopt that view we've got to reject fundamental

LDS doctrine, and believe Christianity...

[Outshined]

Not at all, as LDS theology IS Christian...

Of the many attacks I've seen against the LDS Church, this has to have been one of the weaker ones. I suggest you study up a bit on LDS theology before trying again.

For honeybear's education, I generously provide some links to read, and hopefully, learn from.

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[Jason]

My question is which house of which lord?

I would guess that since even a mere mortal can own more than one house, im quite sure that the all-powerful god could own a few as well.

a) in LDS theology no one, not even God, can be in more than

one place at one time,

I don't think that's quite accurate honeybear. LDS teach that god is omnipresent, even though he has a physical body of flesh and bone. Therefore he is capable of being in all places at all times, and has advanced to a level where this is possible with his glorified body.

B) in LDS theology there are many gods. So which lord lives in, say, the Oakland temple? in the Albuquerque temple? in the Salt Lake temple? in the Hong Kong temple? And the question applies to each of the however many temples the church has these days.

It's my understanding that LDS teach that there is only One God, the Father, over this earth. This Father, with his Only Begotten Son, rule and govern this planet in unison. Think of the Son as a sort of Vizir or Prime Minister. Doing nothing without being told what it is that should be done. Of course, the Temples are built for the Father, but just as any child does, the Son may too visit and stay when desired. That's the beauty of Omnipotence and Omnipresence.

There's another question that inscription brings up: Is the Lord home?

For if He's elsewhere, He can't be in the temple. If He's busy on one of

the other worlds over which He's the sovereign, He can't be in any LDS

temple. If He's occupied in Russia, He can't be in the Provo temple. If

He's dealing with a situation in Tahiti, He can't be in the Oakland

temple.

I think that brings up the omnipresence debate. Since LDS believe that god can be anywhere and everywhere at the same time, it's a non-issue.

Of course, we could adopt the Biblical view, which is that NO building is

God's house, but that God is always present with all His people, and,

therefore, wherever God's people are - on the freeway, in bed asleep,

shopping at Wal-Mart, wherever - is where God is at that precise moment.

Have you had the chance to read the Old Testement? If so, you may recall that god commanded David to build a temple, and that it was David's heir, Solomon, who did build a Temple to Jehovah in the city of Jerusalem.

So you see that god has at times commanded his followers to build physical temples (that doesn't even touch the travelling Tabernacle of Moses) and at other times god has been satisified without such a building, as long as the people maintained righteousness.

And we could adopt the equally Biblical view that each one of God's

people is the temple - literally, in the original Greek, the Holy of

Holies - of God, and that God literally, therefore, dwells in each of His

people. Of course, to adopt that view we've got to reject fundamental

LDS doctrine, and believe Christianity...

Not necessarily reject fundamental LDS doctrine. It's my understanding that LDS teach that the body is the temple of the Holy Ghost. You may reject their belief in doing proxy work for the dead, but that's really a different issue than what you were initally talking about.

Of course, what you believe is your path, and you have every right to believe that way. The Mormons believe that they're on the right track too. To each his own.

[BenRaines]

Very well said Jason.

Ben

[Outshined]

Very well said Jason.

I agree; well said.

[Jason]

Thanks guys. It's all part of the kinder, gentler Jason. :)

[Ray]

HOLINESS TO THE LORD

THE HOUSE OF THE LORD

My question is which house of which lord?

All houses of our Lord.

a ) in LDS theology no one, not even God, can be in more than one place at one time,

Perhaps not physically, but in every other way He can.

b ) in LDS theology there are many gods. So which lord lives in, say, the Oakland temple? in the Albuquerque temple? in the Salt Lake temple? in the Hong Kong temple? And the question applies to each of the however many temples the church has these days.

We only have one God who is over this world, and He is known by Jesus Christ.

(When I joined the church in 1978, there were, IIRC, something like 20 total. Sometimes it seems these days like the church dedicates that many in a year. And where most temples used to be in Utah, and the others were all in major metropolitan areas, now the church is putting temples in smaller and smaller cities; soon we may see one in little places like Needles, California or Marlow, Oklahoma.

Yeah. Cool huh? :)

There's another question that inscription brings up: Is the Lord home?

For if He's elsewhere, He can't be in the temple. If He's busy on one of the other worlds over which He's the sovereign, He can't be in any LDS temple. If He's occupied in Russia, He can't be in the Provo temple. If He's dealing with a situation in Tahiti, He can't be in the Oakland temple.

By his spirit, he can be anywhere and everywhere all at once, and when He wants to physically go someplace it is nice to have a good place to go.

Of course, we could adopt the Biblical view, which is that NO building is God's house, but that God is always present with all His people, and, therefore, wherever God's people are - on the freeway, in bed asleep, shopping at Wal-Mart, wherever - is where God is at that precise moment.

Spiritually, yes, Physically, perhaps not, since God can be in only one place physically at any one time.

Heh, but you want to know something else which is pretty cool?

In an eternal perspective there is no time, or there is all the time there is, so our God CAN be everywhere all at once physically in time as well as eternity.

Think about that one a little bit and God will physically boggle your mind. :)

And we could adopt the equally Biblical view that each one of God's people is the temple - literally, in the original Greek, the Holy of Holies - of God, and that God literally, therefore, dwells in each of His people. Of course, to adopt that view we've got to reject fundamental LDS doctrine, and believe Christianity...

Heh, you have failed to consider all of the realities that only God can understand.

[Palerider]

Thanks guys. It's all part of the kinder, gentler Jason. :)

.........I am impressed.......LOL

[Dror]

HOLINESS TO THE LORD

THE HOUSE OF THE LORD

My question is which house of which lord?

Er, is this a trick question, Honeybear?

a) in LDS theology no one, not even God, can be in more than

one place at one time,

B) in LDS theology there are many gods. So which lord lives in, say, the Oakland temple? in the Albuquerque temple? in the Salt Lake temple? in the Hong Kong temple? And the question applies to each of the however many temples the church has these days.

(When I joined the church in 1978, there were, IIRC, something like 20

total. Sometimes it seems these days like the church dedicates that many

in a year. And where most temples used to be in Utah, and the others

were all in major metropolitan areas, now the church is putting temples

in smaller and smaller cities; soon we may see one in little places like

Needles, California or Marlow, Oklahoma.

There's another question that inscription brings up: Is the Lord home?

For if He's elsewhere, He can't be in the temple. If He's busy on one of

the other worlds over which He's the sovereign, He can't be in any LDS

temple. If He's occupied in Russia, He can't be in the Provo temple. If

He's dealing with a situation in Tahiti, He can't be in the Oakland

temple.

My house is still my house even when I go off to work (to pay for the house) or the movies or, for that matter, to visit the Lord's house. Whether or not God is omnipresent is irrelevant, His house is still His house, as it belongs to Him.

Of course, we could adopt the Biblical view, which is that NO building is

God's house, but that God is always present with all His people, and,

therefore, wherever God's people are - on the freeway, in bed asleep,

shopping at Wal-Mart, wherever - is where God is at that precise moment.

And we could adopt the equally Biblical view that each one of God's

people is the temple - literally, in the original Greek, the Holy of

Holies - of God, and that God literally, therefore, dwells in each of His

people. Of course, to adopt that view we've got to reject fundamental

LDS doctrine, and

I don't know which Bible you're reading, but my Bible (the KJV) quotes Jesus as referring to the temple as His Father's house. If one assumes Jesus' point of view to be biblical, then the biblical view is that the temple is the house of God.

And just as a human can own more than one house, so can God, who created the entire universe, have as many houses as He wants, whether they be temples or human tabernacles of clay.

[Sugarbay]

Dror, this is one of the best answers ever to appear here. I like your straightforward answer. It is what it is.

[Dror]

Dror, this is one of the best answers ever to appear here. I like your straightforward answer. It is what it is.

Thank you, Sugarbay! That was a very nice thing to say.