Wow And Eating Meat

[boyando]

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Seams to me that everyone wants to bake in the sun.

One of my co-workers and my Boss go to the Spa and do the tanning thing. Here in Arizona, with all this sun, they use a tanning bed

So is sun bathing a part of the Word of Wisdom?

If not, why? B)

[Dror]

It seems to me that the WoW supports a more vegetarian lifestyle than what most LDS people live. I know we are not told to completly cut meat out of our diet but I think most LDS people eat way more meat than what we are suppose to. It seems to me we should be eating a plant based diet except in time of famine or when other food is not available. I have read things Joseph Smith and Brigham Young have said that seems to support a vegetarian diet but don't have the sources right now. I would like to get others view points on this topic.

I think you're right. LDS people in general eat too much meat.

The impression I get is that eating less meat is related to a basic respect for life. Life in all its forms, not just human. Various Church leaders have stated that killing animals is sinful, unless it's necessary, and so eating meat sparingly, only when we need to for nutritional purposes, is a good thing. Here's a web page with some good quotes:

http://www.xmission.com/~eeades/Shelly/wor...esearch%202.htm

Having said that, I think I may need to repent--I sure love those cheeseburgers and chicken fingers!

Dror

[Guest bizabra]

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Different people eat different acording to there health some people have to eat meat doctors orders for the things that are in it and what is does for them. exanple there are sertain things in hamburger that my friend needs in her system to keep her going and she can get it from other foods but think about it the doctor said eat it so does she tell the doctor no or does she eat it and stay healthy.

Wow, wolfjingles, that is an OLD identity!

For the members of the church. I think the Word of Wisdom states what Father wants us to do. So we obey him or we don't. We can rationalize all we want but he says what he says. He means what he says and he expects us to obey.

BIZ: Yes, the WofW is an obedience test. It has nothing whatsoever to do with "health" any more. I agree with the poster above. Except that I would ammend it to read that the CHURCH leaders are the ones who "mean what they say and expect obedience".

Maybe originally it was concieved as such, as the "rules" reflect the ideas in vogue at the time regarding what was healthy and what was not. However, we now know that a limited amount of red wine is actually a good thing. Coffee is not unhealthy, either, and actually has health benefits.

If it WAS a health code, it would be revised by now. It has never been changed, but has instead been codified down to a simple list of specific items to NOT use, coffee, tea, tobacco, alcohol. Tobacco is the ONLY thing on this list that is truly "bad" for you. The other items have been shown to be of benefit, healthwise.

If the WofW was truly a health code, then soda in all forms would now be verboten, as well as fast food and fad diets. Coffee and tea would be allowed, and moderate use of alcohol encouraged.

[Guest MrsS]

BIZ: Yes, the WofW is an obedience test. It has nothing whatsoever to do with "health" any more. I agree with the poster above. Except that I would amend it to read that the CHURCH leaders are the ones who "mean what they say and expect obedience".

MrsS: Your statement about it having nothing whatsoever to do with "health" any more ~ clarify that if you would. Cite all of your sources, and please make sure that these sources are Pro-LDS. Or In Other Words, that it comes from the mouth(s) of the Lords Prophets. Your last sentence just clarified where you are coming from. You are a disgruntled, ex-mormon or a mormon who has been disciplined by the Church.

Maybe originally it was conceived as such, as the "rules" reflect the ideas in vogue at the time regarding what was healthy and what was not. However, we now know that a limited amount of red wine is actually a good thing. Coffee is not unhealthy, either, and actually has health benefits.

Bizbara, you are off the mark here. Are you saying that God did not reveal this to Joseph Smith? That it was conceived by man? LDS do not believe this, Anti's spew it forth in their propaganda against the Church. Who is this "We" you speak of who knows that wine is good for you? Very, very few people can drink just a "limited" amount of any alcoholic beverage. That is why there are so many alcoholics in the world. Red wine is a trigger for migrains in some people. I know, I am one of those people! ALL of the LDS that I know, put their faith, their very lives and their immortal souls in Gods hands and obey Him. He says not to drink alcohol.

D & C 89:

5 That inasmuch as any man drinketh wine or strong drink among you, behold it is not good, neither meet in the sight of your Father, only in assembling yourselves together to offer up your sacraments before him.

7 And, again, strong drinks are not for the belly, but for the washing of your bodies.

If it WAS a health code, it would be revised by now. It has never been changed, but has instead been codified down to a simple list of specific items to NOT use, coffee, tea, tobacco, alcohol. Yes it has been codified down to Do Nots. This was done by humans in an attempt to simplify this revelation. Humans tend to do that ~ concentrate on the Don'ts rather than the Do's. In my humble opinion, I feel that We The People, i.e. The Members of The Church should stress the Do's. It should be a Church wide effort too. Emphasize the Do's more than the Do Nots.

Tobacco is the ONLY thing on this list that is truly "bad" for you. The other items have been shown to be of benefit, health wise.Excuse me but I strongly disagree with you here. The other items have not been shown to be 100% of benefit, health-wise. You are not stating fact, you are embellishing on what a small percentage of scientists say.

If the WofW was truly a health code, then soda in all forms would now be verboten, as well as fast food and fad diets. Coffee and tea would be allowed, and moderate use of alcohol encouraged.The 89th section of the Doctrine and Covenants is a health code. Here is a link to it. Read it in its entirety please. http://scriptures.lds.org/dc/89

Heavenly Father is lovingly giving us health guidelines. He is telling us what is good for us to consume here on this world that He has put us on. Coffee and tea will never be "allowed", they are just as addictive as alcohol, cocaine, heroin, crack, meth, and a vast host of other narcotics. I know, I was addicted to coffee and tea. The hell I went through when I went off it is equal to the hell drug addicts go through when they quit.

As for that blanket statement that LDS consume way too much meat - or was it just red meat - Where in the world are "you" (meaning any one and every one who has stated this) getting this "factoid" from???

It is generalizing - the statement may well have said that Native Americans eat way too much red meat/meat, or Blondes, or Redheads, or Japanese or Koreans, etc., etc.. It is pulled out of thin air and implied to sound factual. In reality, it is not fact. You should see the Pot Luck dishes that our ward and stake members bring. Lots of good, healthy food and the main meat is chicken.

[Guest bizabra]

I never said mormons eat too much red meat.

I don't have to cite any sources about what THE CHURCH fathers teach. I am conveying my own opinion, just as you are.

I am not a disgruntled anti mormon. I am an ex-mormon, simply because I do not believe THE CHURCH is the only way to the "truth". However, I am an ethnic mormon, with 14 mormon pioneers to my pedigree. I love mormon people. Most of my extended family are mormons. I am a member of Daughters of Utah Pioneers. I am glad for my upbringing. It helped me to be a better person than I might have been otherwise. I hold no grudge against the CHURCH or it's members.

I am quite familiar with the entire WofW text, having memorized it back when I was a young mormon grasshopper. And yes, I think of CHURCH members as mormons. I was never taught that we were LDS when I was growing up. We were PROUD to be mormons and didn't need to use a euphimism, thank you very much. My parents still call themselves mormons and don't use the LDS moniker.

I am glad that you have beliefs that you follow. However, other people have other beliefs that are true for them. I myself believe that religious dogma is man-made, no matter the religion. I think that religious beliefs are useful for humans to hold, it keeps most of them in line and provides a reason to be decent human beings and gives a sense of hope. I do not deny that humans are special creatures, that we have the ability to rise above our animal selves and live selflessly, and that we want a spiritual element in our lives. I call this a "mystery" and am content to leave it at that. I respect that others hold other beliefs than I do and would not want to try to convert anyone to my POV. I find it interesting to consider others' ideas, and hope that others might be interested in my thoughts about the subject. You are free to disagree with me. It's cool with me if you do.

Not everyone has an addictive personality. I am glad for you that you can recognize this in yourself and that you abstain from substances that cause you problems or pain. Others CAN use alcohol, teas, or coffee in moderation. Since I do not believe that god told us not to use these substances, I am free to make my own mind up about them, and can use my own judgement in avoiding problems with them.

As for the potential health benefits of coffee or moderate use of alcohol, there is plenty of information out there, look it up yourself. You will find many studies that show these to be harmless in moderation.

I do not "spew forth" anti mormon propaganda. I don't read anti mormon web sites. I avoid angry people.

[wolfjingles]

Wow, wolfjingles, that is an OLD identity!

what did you mean by it is an old identy

(i am a little stupid some days sorry)