Guest Starsky Posted March 8, 2004 Report Posted March 8, 2004 Originally posted by Cal@Mar 7 2004, 05:22 PM Peace--what happened to your new "voice of reason"---jump in any time. I already posted but it ended up on the bottom of the last page...here goes again:If you have a small child who runs into the street and you have told him and told him not to, and then one day he nearly gets hit by a car....what do you do next? Personally, I would spank the child and not let him go outside for a week (more punishment for me than him btw) and by the time he is begging for another chance to go outside...he has learned his lesson...very important...important enough to get angry....Now...as to getting angry at just anything....ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! THAT WOULD BE STUPID....but Christ picked and chose the time he would show anger...it had to be absolutely the most important thing...which it was...Now...did he get angry when the 'dudes' were always trying to trip him up during his teaching moments? NO! Did he get upset when he was arrested and tortured? NO!!! Absolutely NOT!So get a grip and stop your silly generalizations....life is full of different problems which has to be handled with different reactions and solutions.My husband used to get mad at everything...at the same level mad for not making a bed, as running out in the street...I used to say...you only have one mad....if your kid was going to rape someone, you would yell with the same loud angry voice as you would yell for not doing the dishes...Christ didn't yell at everything....Actually, he didn't show a whole lot of anger over his three year ministries....and he had a lot of provocation to yell a lot...but he didn't. Quote
Guest Starsky Posted March 8, 2004 Report Posted March 8, 2004 Originally posted by Cal@Mar 7 2004, 05:36 PM So getting angry and acting on it is ok, as long as you can justify your cause? Maybe this helps shed some light on this:"that which ye call anger was the truth..." 2 Nephi 1:26 It sheds no light. Please elaborate. But first, how about answering my question: So getting angry and acting on it is ok, as long as you can justify your cause? I thought it was kind of odd that the "wrath of God" was so prevalent while we are also taught ""God is love." 1 John 4:8.The anger or wrath appears to be how the natural man perceives the Lord because the scriptures also teach: "Fury is not in me..." Isaiah 27:4. The anger and fury is in man. This is further confirmed in the Book of Mormon: "the guilty taketh the truth to be hard, for it cutteth them to the very center." 1 Nephi 16:2 as well as 2 Nephi 1:26.It is OUR anger at the truth. Man is asleep; he can wake up and accept the truth or he can get ticked off and stay asleep. Yeah, but it was JESUS that turned over the tables in the temple! Whatever it takes....to get the attention of those off the beaten track...especially when they are desecrating sacred things pertaining to eternal life. Quote
Guest Starsky Posted March 8, 2004 Report Posted March 8, 2004 The scriptures Behunin quoted show how some believe there is contradictions in the scriptures...but not so...not in principle. When the Lord shows passion, whether it is love or anger...you can bet it is because he is doing what is best for us. Quote
Cal Posted March 8, 2004 Report Posted March 8, 2004 Originally posted by Peace@Mar 7 2004, 05:42 PM The scriptures Behunin quoted show how some believe there is contradictions in the scriptures...but not so...not in principle.When the Lord shows passion, whether it is love or anger...you can bet it is because he is doing what is best for us. Peace:So you have answered my question: Yes, it is ok to show anger as long as you can justify it in your own mind.BTW: Since I have been back on the forum, not once have done what I was kicked off for--making insulting remarks. Nevertheless, in your posting you just said: So get a grip and stop your silly generalizations....I find this insulting and offensive. I have not labeled your statements as "silly" nor have I said anything offensive like "get a grip". Should I report you to Spencer? Yes, I think so. Unless there is a double standard here. I guess I'm about to find out. Quote
Behunin Posted March 8, 2004 Report Posted March 8, 2004 Originally posted by Cal@Mar 7 2004, 06:36 PM Yeah, but it was JESUS that turned over the tables in the temple! Does that mean Jesus was angry? I think you are assuming from His actions that he must have been angry. The actions he took may not have been from anger. There is no mention of anger in scripture:"and Jesus went into the temple, and began to cast out them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves. And would not suffer that any man should carry any vessel through the temple. And as he taught, saying unto them, Is it written, My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer? but ye have made it a den of thieves. And the scribes and chief priests heard it, and sought how they might destroy him: for they feared him, because all the people was astonished at his doctrine." Mark 11:15-18."And he went into the temple, and began to cast out them that sold therein, and them that bought; Saying unto them, It is written My house is the house of prayer: but ye have made it a den of thieves." Luke 19:45-46."And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting: And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables; And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise." John 2:14-16.It looks as if it was one heck of a teaching tool though. The scribes and chief priests were not afraid because Jesus overturned the tables, they were afraid because the people who saw Jesus do this were "astonished at his doctrine." Quote
Cal Posted March 8, 2004 Report Posted March 8, 2004 I agree, then, that there is no direct evidence that Jesus was angry. However, by modern rule of law, he would have found himself in violation of one of the Articles of Faith--the one about being subject to kings, governments etc--let's see what the charges would be......disorderly conduct, malicious mischief, destruction of public? property.However, I think we could infer by his conduct that he was----that's ok with me-- maybe we should agree that we will not know what he was "feeling" since he never told anybody! Quote
Behunin Posted March 8, 2004 Report Posted March 8, 2004 Originally posted by Cal@Mar 7 2004, 07:39 PM I agree, then, that there is no direct evidence that Jesus was angry. However, by modern rule of law, he would have found himself in violation of one of the Articles of Faith--the one about being subject to kings, governments etc--let's see what the charges would be......disorderly conduct, malicious mischief, destruction of public? property.However, I think we could infer by his conduct that he was----that's ok with me-- maybe we should agree that we will not know what he was "feeling" since he never told anybody! Actually no. The temple was His house. The merchants were trespassers, He didn't destroy property, He overturned tables and He drove out (caused to leave) the animals.Well, as far as his feelings when he was doing this, the BoM teaches: "He doeth not anything save it be for the benefit of the world; for he loveth the world..." 2 Nephi 26:24. So while you are correct that we may not know what He was feeling, the scriptures give a pretty good clue as to His motives. Quote
Cal Posted March 8, 2004 Report Posted March 8, 2004 Originally posted by Behunin@Mar 7 2004, 06:50 PM I agree, then, that there is no direct evidence that Jesus was angry. However, by modern rule of law, he would have found himself in violation of one of the Articles of Faith--the one about being subject to kings, governments etc--let's see what the charges would be......disorderly conduct, malicious mischief, destruction of public? property.However, I think we could infer by his conduct that he was----that's ok with me-- maybe we should agree that we will not know what he was "feeling" since he never told anybody! Actually no. The temple was His house. The merchants were trespassers, He didn't destroy property, He overturned tables and He drove out (caused to leave) the animals.Well, as far as his feelings when he was doing this, the BoM teaches: "He doeth not anything save it be for the benefit of the world; for he loveth the world..." 2 Nephi 26:24. So while you are correct that we may not know what He was feeling, the scriptures give a pretty good clue as to His motives. I certainly don't question his motives. Quote
Snow Posted March 8, 2004 Report Posted March 8, 2004 Originally posted by curvette+Mar 7 2004, 11:30 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (curvette @ Mar 7 2004, 11:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--porterrockwell@Mar 6 2004, 10:50 PM Jesus was perfect, he gave heed to no temptation. We do not challenge the acts done of God through the Lamb. You sound like one of those people who applauded the movie "The Last Temptation of Christ"! What a despicable, slanderous movie. You saw that? Shame on you! I saw it, opening night in Los Angeles, before the Brethen could say anything about it. Don't remember much about the movie but it was a real freak show on opening night. People there in robes, carrying crosses, whipping themselves with a cat-o-nine tails....I love LA. Quote
Guest Starsky Posted March 8, 2004 Report Posted March 8, 2004 Originally posted by Cal@Mar 7 2004, 06:03 PM Peace:BTW: Since I have been back on the forum, not once have done what I was kicked off for--making insulting remarks. Nevertheless, in your posting you just said: So get a grip and stop your silly generalizations....I find this insulting and offensive. I have not labeled your statements as "silly" nor have I said anything offensive like "get a grip". Should I report you to Spencer? Yes, I think so. Unless there is a double standard here. I guess I'm about to find out. I will report myself also. In fact I will go so far as to put myself on Mod status...and check each of my posts for 'naughty' behavior...before i touch that 'add reply' button.Good show Cal! Quote
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