Thus Saith The Lord On Um, Well...number Two's

[Holdyourfire]

Dueteronomy 23:13

And thou shalt have a paddle upon thy weapon; and it shall be, when thou wilt ease thyself abroad, thou shalt dig therewith, and shalt turn back and cover that which cometh from thee:

Uh..teacher, I think I need to "ease myself abroad"

[Jenda]

Huh????

[Guest Taoist_Saint]

Here it is in NIV English...

Deuteronomy 23

9 When you are encamped against your enemies, keep away from everything impure.

10 If one of your men is unclean because of a nocturnal emission, he is to go outside the camp and stay there.

11 But as evening approaches he is to wash himself, and at sunset he may return to the camp.

12 Designate a place outside the camp where you can go to relieve yourself.

13 As part of your equipment have something to dig with, and when you relieve yourself, dig a hole and cover up your excrement.

14 For the LORD your God moves about in your camp to protect you and to deliver your enemies to you. Your camp must be holy, so that he will not see among you anything indecent and turn away from you.

[Guest curvette]

This cracks me up. When you think about the plethora of things a person was "unclean" for, there must have been times when the whole of Israel was away from camp. It doesn't sound very secure.

[Ray]

Heh, I guess some people need to be told how to do EVERYTHING. I know I wouldn't want to see and smell that stuff lying around, but I guess some people would rather put up with the stench instead of simply digging a hole and burying it.

[Ray]

Btw, while we’re on “touchy” subjects, have you ever thought about the fact that our Lord did “that” too while He was here? Do you realize that He was that human? He also ate after His resurrection, and what do you suppose happened to the remains of that food?

And what about clothes? Have you ever thought about the fact that our Lord wore clothes, both during and after His mortal life? He wasn’t running around naked after He was resurrected, you know. Have you ever wondered who made those clothes for Him?

And what about the clothes that Adam and Eve were given? Who do you suppose made those clothes? Do you ever wonder if animals had to be killed for those skins? If the clothes were made out of cotton, or some other fabric, I would think that God would have simply told somebody to make Adam and Eve some coats, instead of “coats of skins”.

[Jenda]

OK. You all know that I am into moving threads. Soooooooooo, before I do, who all really believes that this is a gospel topic and who thinks it is really supposed to be under General Discussions?

Please cast your votes.

[Ray]

Heh, by all means, move it. I only responded to it because I saw it here. :)

[Guest Taoist_Saint]

If it refers to scriptures, its a Gospel topic

[Rodney]

Originally posted by Taoist_Saint@Mar 5 2004, 07:09 PM

If it refers to scriptures, its a Gospel topic

Scriptures regarding excrement. Now, who could mistake that for "Good News" or Shin-o-la?

[Jason]

Ray,

You said: "And what about the clothes that Adam and Eve were given? Who do you suppose made those clothes? Do you ever wonder if animals had to be killed for those skins? If the clothes were made out of cotton, or some other fabric, I would think that God would have simply told somebody to make Adam and Eve some coats, instead of “coats of skins”. "

I'll bet they were made from a nice cotton/poly mesh. (With masonic symbols on them..... )

J

[Guest Starsky]

Good grief....and you all are adults right? I mean...geezeeee

as for the coats...they were coats of skin and being they came from God...I am sure He just twinkled the animals and had the skins made into coats...

The animals fulfilled their mission...

[Guest curvette]

They were made out of onion skins.

[Guest Starsky]

Originally posted by curvette@Mar 5 2004, 10:47 PM

They were made out of onion skins.

<span style=\'font-family:Impact\'>ROFL!

[Cal]

Originally posted by Peace@Mar 5 2004, 09:14 PM

Good grief....and you all are adults right? I mean...geezeeee

as for the coats...they were coats of skin and being they came from God...I am sure He just twinkled the animals and had the skins made into coats...

The animals fulfilled their mission...

Hey, wait a minute. If God didn't need to resort to natural lawsof chemistry and physics to create Adam and Eve, why are we discussing where these clothes came from? If He could just "zap" the whole earth and Adam and Eve into existance, why would he have any trouble "zapping" some clothes into existance?

[Serg]

Yes Jason, i feel like you've got a serious hidden and exposed problem with mormonism...

Fabrics with masonic symbols? Oh! Jo Sm, was a mason!!! Oh the Prophet has fallen!!!.....Thats not a good statement. Nevertheless, what about comparing it to the clothes of Aaron, Elijah an so on?? Did'nt their garments had symbolism involved? This is just another bad comment on Jo Sm, as to the one of the five pointed star that is flipped on a point, which is in some temples! And it was as many said "a symbol not only of masonic but pagan resources", and yet the FLAG and the seal of Israel had it! And constantine adopted it in his "royal seal"....

Oh this turns some times into so much nonesense...

Anyways, please Jason, have respect over our garments when making a comment. I'm sure even as a "deist"you must some time approach to self control...LOL

[Jason]

Originally posted by Serg@Oct 18 2005, 12:31 PM

Yes Jason, i feel like you've got a serious hidden and exposed problem with mormonism...

Oxymoron.

Fabrics with masonic symbols? Oh! Jo Sm, was a mason!!! Oh the Prophet has fallen!!!.....Thats not a good statement. Nevertheless, what about comparing it to the clothes of Aaron, Elijah an so on?? Did'nt their garments had symbolism involved? This is just another bad comment on Jo Sm...

I could care less about Joseph Smith's prophetic abilities (or lack thereof).

And as for the garment symbolism, in the Old Testament days only the High Priest had what you call symbolism on his priestly robes. The twelve stones on the breastplate represented the tribes of israel outwardly, and had more occultic symbolism if one so cares to look. But let's remember that we are talking about semi-precious stones here, not the masonic square and compass.

... as to the one of the five pointed star that is flipped on a point, which is in some temples! And it was as many said "a symbol not only of masonic but pagan resources", and yet the FLAG and the seal of Israel had it! And constantine adopted it in his "royal seal"....

Oh this turns some times into so much nonesense...

Seems you've got a chip on your shoulder. I've never said a thing about the five pointed star. And you err in that it is a six pointed star that David used, not a five pointed star. And I don't care if it's a "pagan" symbol, or a "satanic" symbol, or just a nice "christian" symbol.

None of that means anything to me.

  Anyways, please Jason, have respect over our garments when making a comment. I'm sure even as a "deist"you must some time approach to self control...LOL

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I hold religions in general, and Mormonism in particular with contempt. That's no secret. But I fail to see why I should hold sacred that which clearly is not. The naked human form is more sacred than any article of clothing made by the hands of man. Indeed, mankind cannot make something sacred, and all the people of the world cannot make it so.

[Guest Member_Deleted]

I hold religions in general, and Mormonism in particular with contempt. That's no secret. But I fail to see why I should hold sacred that which clearly is not. The naked human form is more sacred than any article of clothing made by the hands of man. Indeed, mankind cannot make something sacred, and all the people of the world cannot make it so.

Jason,

Just to make sure others understand that your statements... though made with authority,... have really no more value to us than Mormonism has for you... :)

[Guest Member_Deleted]

Cal,Mar 6 2004, 09:33 PM]

Peace,Mar 5 2004, 09:14 PM] Good grief....and you all are adults right? I mean...geezeeee

as for the coats...they were coats of skin and being they came from God...I am sure He just twinkled the animals and had the skins made into coats...

The animals fulfilled their mission...

Hey, wait a minute. If God didn't need to resort to natural lawsof chemistry and physics to create Adam and Eve, why are we discussing where these clothes came from? If He could just "zap" the whole earth and Adam and Eve into existance, why would he have any trouble "zapping" some clothes into existance?

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Zapping? He doesn't do zapping except when it comes to evil people....

[Ray]

Originally posted by Please@Oct 18 2005, 04:43 PM

I hold religions in general, and Mormonism in particular with contempt. That's no secret. But I fail to see why I should hold sacred that which clearly is not. The naked human form is more sacred than any article of clothing made by the hands of man. Indeed, mankind cannot make something sacred, and all the people of the world cannot make it so.

Jason,

Just to make sure others understand that your statements... though made with authority,... have really no more value to us than Mormonism has for you... :)

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What do you mean, Please?

What authority does Jason have to make his comments?

I don't see any authority in Jason's comments, nor do I see that Jason is saying he has authority to make any of his comments.

Do you claim to have any authority, Jason?

[Guest Member_Deleted]

Originally posted by Ray+Oct 18 2005, 05:52 PM-->

<!--QuoteBegin-Please@Oct 18 2005, 04:43 PM

I hold religions in general, and Mormonism in particular with contempt. That's no secret. But I fail to see why I should hold sacred that which clearly is not. The naked human form is more sacred than any article of clothing made by the hands of man. Indeed, mankind cannot make something sacred, and all the people of the world cannot make it so.

Jason,

Just to make sure others understand that your statements... though made with authority,... have really no more value to us than Mormonism has for you... :)

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What do you mean, Please?

What authority does Jason have to make his comments?

I don't see any authority in Jason's comments, nor do I see that Jason is saying he has authority to make any of his comments.

Do you claim to have any authority, Jason?

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ROFL! implied...

[Jason]

Originally posted by Ray+Oct 18 2005, 05:52 PM-->

<!--QuoteBegin-Please@Oct 18 2005, 04:43 PM

I hold religions in general, and Mormonism in particular with contempt. That's no secret. But I fail to see why I should hold sacred that which clearly is not. The naked human form is more sacred than any article of clothing made by the hands of man. Indeed, mankind cannot make something sacred, and all the people of the world cannot make it so.

Jason,

Just to make sure others understand that your statements... though made with authority,... have really no more value to us than Mormonism has for you... :)

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What do you mean, Please?

What authority does Jason have to make his comments?

I don't see any authority in Jason's comments, nor do I see that Jason is saying he has authority to make any of his comments.

Do you claim to have any authority, Jason?

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No Ray. I don't make any such claim.

Though I would state that we know it was the Creator who gave us our bodies, as Im sure all would agree, yet when it comes to clothing, it seems extremely likely that they came about through our own devices.

[Ray]

In Genesis 3:7 and Moses 4:13 we have evidence that clothing was introduced to the planet Earth by Adam and Eve when they made aprons from fig leaves, and the next line of fashion was introduced by the Lord God himself when He made coats of skins and clothed them, as evidenced in Genesis 3:21 and Moses 4:27, so when you say “it seems extremely likely that they came about through our own devices”, I’ll assume you’re referring to the clothing made from fig leaves which came about through Adam and Eve, since you have just admitted that you have no authority to state otherwise.

And btw, even if you do not accept the fact that the scriptures were written by divine inspiration and authorization from God, that fact has been admitted by others.

[Jason]

Originally posted by Ray@Oct 19 2005, 10:56 AM

In Genesis 3:7 and Moses 4:13 we have evidence that clothing was introduced to the planet Earth by Adam and Eve when they made aprons from fig leaves, and the next line of fashion was introduced by the Lord God himself when He made coats of skins and clothed them, as evidenced in Genesis 3:21 and Moses 4:27, so when you say “it seems extremely likely that they came about through our own devices”, I’ll assume you’re referring to the clothing made from fig leaves which came about through Adam and Eve, since you have just admitted that you have no authority to state otherwise.

And btw, even if you do not accept the fact that the scriptures were written by divine inspiration and authorization from God, that fact has been admitted by others.

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I know what Genesis says, Ray. But lucky for me, more and more people are recognizing what it for what it really is, a Myth. Gotta love the secularization of our society.

[Ray]

Even if everybody else on planet Earth believed the story of Adam and Eve was a myth, it wouldn't affect the fact that I know that story is true, as far as translated and understood correctly.

And, No, I don't gotta love the secularization of our society, with so many people running around saying one thing or another, with so many people who don't really know what the truth is.