Red-i'm Interested

[Latter Days Guy]

<div class='quotemain'>

Where did Red go?

And for you LDS: I prayed the prayer from Moroni 10 more than once. I asked repeatedly whether or not I was on the wrong side. The answer was always silence. The last time I prayed over this, two LDS missionaries challenged me to pray with them in their church and settle this thing once and for all, so I did. I realized that all along I had been praying to my trinitarian idea of God and not the LDS one. So I addressed "the God I hadn't prayed to" and asked him about the truth--for a half or more hour I actually turned away from my God and sought yours! The answer was silence again. Then slowly and softly an answer came from my old Friend upstairs, to the effect of: "oh you of little faith, he has no authority over you." And I was free.

Sincerly, Red.

You see thats where your going wrong your not asking sincerly. You can tell this by your "I actually turned away from my God and sought yours" bit. Heavenly Father wants you to accept his gospel and see the truth, but you will not find anything unless you seek it with a sincere heart.

[Outshined]

If you were praying to some "other god", of course He corrected you. I hope you've learned enough now to realize how utterly silly that idea was... The members you'd talked to should have made sure you had no such bizarre misconceptions, but I'm sure they were trying their best to help you.

Sounds like you're on the right track; keep praying, for that is the way to truth. Prayer has brought many answers to me when I needed them. It was through prayer that God helped me through some hard times, and that He showed me that the Book of Mormon is His Word.

I'm grateful for prayer, and a Heavenly Father who cares about us so much. I'm also thankful that He led me to His true church and helps me to grow stronger in the Gospel each day.

[Red]

GB-UK, Outshined,

I think you misunderstood me. First of all, who is anyone to question anyone's sincerity? I don't question yours.

But here's the misunderstanding: by "praying to the God I hadn't known" I meant that I prayed to the LDS idea if God, namely an exalted man named Elohim, and not to my own idea of Him. Really, the LDS God and the Trinitarian God are opposites in many ways, and therefore only one could be true. Now imagine if I were praying to demons, or a fire-hydrant, or my cat, would the true God hear my prayer? No!

So if I have been praying to the false eternal trinitarian God about the book of Mormon, then I might as well be praying to an idol if the LDS exalted God were true. And if I pray to an idol then my prayers go unheard--God never listened to the prayers Israel ever gave to foreign gods. So there in lies the sincerity of my seeking, I went to the brink and looked over the edge for a good long time.

-Red

[Outshined]

I think you have some confusion about the LDS concept of God. You are thinking in quantitative terms instead of qualitative ones.

With study and prayer, you will find the answers.

[Red]

I think you have some confusion about the LDS concept of God. You are thinking in quantitative terms instead of qualitative ones.

Where did I go wrong? What is the LDS teaching on the Nature of God?

As I understand it at this point: God the Father is a man with flesh and bones, he is perfected and glorified, and his name is Elohim. I'm getting that from GOSPEL PRINCIPLES chapter 1. Joseph Smith even teaches as fact that he dwelt on an earth just like us. In the words "perfected" and "glorified" are the implication that Elohim was not perfect or glorious at one time, which is in harmony with Smith's earlier teaching.

The big difference is that the Trinitarian God always was, is and will be the way He is: infinitely perfect and glorious. Also, He is non-material.

What is the difference between quantitative and qualitative?

-Red

[Outshined]

About God: http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/basic/godhead/index.htm

What is the difference between quantitative and qualitative?

Quanititative is the mistaken assumption that we worship a "different god", qualitatitve means we have a different understanding of the nature of God.

Like saying I am not the same man I was twenty years ago. I do not have the same traits and personality that I had at one time, and so am not the same man, though I am the same person. A person who met me then and one who knows me now could say they know different men.

You said yourself that God told you "oh you of little faith, he has no authority over you." If you were indeed praying to "another god", then He was right. There is but one God, the same that the Latter-day Saints worship. The "other god" was nothing but your misconception.

So there in lies the sincerity of my seeking, I went to the brink and looked over the edge for a good long time.

As I have, my friend; that's how God brought me to the LDS Church.

[Guest MrsS]

<div class='quotemain'>

So there in lies the sincerity of my seeking, I went to the brink and looked over the edge for a good long time.

As I have, my friend; that's how God brought me to the LDS Church.

Me TOO!! I do not like brinks either! So very, very glad to be "Home in the Church".