Guest Taoist_Saint Posted April 16, 2004 Report Posted April 16, 2004 Starsky... Did you know that your Avatar is actually a picture of Hutch? Quote
Guest Starsky Posted April 16, 2004 Report Posted April 16, 2004 Originally posted by Snow@Apr 14 2004, 09:02 PM And if anyone want to hear a portion of his final testimony, 13 days before he died:http://www.coolcontent.com/McConkie/McConkie.wavor for alternate formats and text:http://www.coolcontent.com/McConkie/ You know...just before he found out that he wasn't going to be healed, he was sure that he wasn't going to die. He thought a lot of things that just weren't true.After he found out that he was going to die no matter what, he changed a lot. But it was too late for all the books and stuff he worked on before his illness.I do love his testimony near his last days. It was full of all the compassion and humility he lacked during his life. Quote
Guest Starsky Posted April 16, 2004 Report Posted April 16, 2004 Originally posted by Taoist_Saint@Apr 15 2004, 09:33 PM Starsky...Did you know that your Avatar is actually a picture of Hutch? LOL....I had no idea.....but now that I do know...anyway I think I know...depending upon if you are right or not....I will change my avatar....But I just want AFDaw to know I appreciated all her hard work in getting me this avatar....It has done the trick...I think... Quote
AFDaw Posted April 16, 2004 Report Posted April 16, 2004 Originally posted by Starsky+Apr 15 2004, 09:38 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Starsky @ Apr 15 2004, 09:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Taoist_Saint@Apr 15 2004, 09:33 PM Starsky...Did you know that your Avatar is actually a picture of Hutch? LOL....I had no idea.....but now that I do know...anyway I think I know...depending upon if you are right or not....I will change my avatar....But I just want AFDaw to know I appreciated all her hard work in getting me this avatar....It has done the trick...I think... That was my intent!! Starsky (and Hutch). Get it? Besides...who wants Ben Stiller as your avatar? Quote
Jenda Posted April 16, 2004 Report Posted April 16, 2004 Originally posted by AFDaw+Apr 16 2004, 04:30 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (AFDaw @ Apr 16 2004, 04:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -Starsky@Apr 15 2004, 09:38 PM <!--QuoteBegin--Taoist_Saint@Apr 15 2004, 09:33 PM Starsky...Did you know that your Avatar is actually a picture of Hutch? LOL....I had no idea.....but now that I do know...anyway I think I know...depending upon if you are right or not....I will change my avatar....But I just want AFDaw to know I appreciated all her hard work in getting me this avatar....It has done the trick...I think... That was my intent!! Starsky (and Hutch). Get it? Besides...who wants Ben Stiller as your avatar? Ben Stiller is Starsky????They were a hoot in Zoolander. Now I gotta see Starsky and Hutch.(I don't believe I am saying this. ) Quote
AFDaw Posted April 16, 2004 Report Posted April 16, 2004 They are both funny. I liked Owen Wilson in I Spy also. Quote
Guest Starsky Posted April 16, 2004 Report Posted April 16, 2004 Originally posted by AFDaw+Apr 16 2004, 04:30 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (AFDaw @ Apr 16 2004, 04:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -Starsky@Apr 15 2004, 09:38 PM <!--QuoteBegin--Taoist_Saint@Apr 15 2004, 09:33 PM Starsky...Did you know that your Avatar is actually a picture of Hutch? LOL....I had no idea.....but now that I do know...anyway I think I know...depending upon if you are right or not....I will change my avatar....But I just want AFDaw to know I appreciated all her hard work in getting me this avatar....It has done the trick...I think... That was my intent!! Starsky (and Hutch). Get it? Besides...who wants Ben Stiller as your avatar? LOL! Absolutely! Quote
Guest Starsky Posted April 16, 2004 Report Posted April 16, 2004 Originally posted by AFDaw@Apr 16 2004, 05:43 AM They are both funny. I liked Owen Wilson in I Spy also. LOL....I love Owen in everything he does....he is just good at being a character acter... Quote
Guest Taoist_Saint Posted April 16, 2004 Report Posted April 16, 2004 Originally posted by Starsky+Apr 16 2004, 06:53 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Starsky @ Apr 16 2004, 06:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -AFDaw@Apr 16 2004, 04:30 AM Originally posted by -Starsky@Apr 15 2004, 09:38 PM <!--QuoteBegin--Taoist_Saint@Apr 15 2004, 09:33 PM Starsky...Did you know that your Avatar is actually a picture of Hutch? LOL....I had no idea.....but now that I do know...anyway I think I know...depending upon if you are right or not....I will change my avatar....But I just want AFDaw to know I appreciated all her hard work in getting me this avatar....It has done the trick...I think... That was my intent!! Starsky (and Hutch). Get it? Besides...who wants Ben Stiller as your avatar? LOL! Absolutely! I was thinking that you should have kept the avatar of Owen Wilson and changed your name to "Hutch".But anyway, if you like Ben Stiller and Owen Wilson, go see that movie!I saw it last week, and it is worth it just for seeing those two actors together! Quote
Jenda Posted April 16, 2004 Report Posted April 16, 2004 Originally posted by AFDaw@Apr 16 2004, 05:43 AM They are both funny. I liked Owen Wilson in I Spy also. I really liked Owen with Jackie Chan in the Shanghai Noon and Shanghai Knights movies best. Quote
Guest Starsky Posted April 16, 2004 Report Posted April 16, 2004 Originally posted by Taoist_Saint+Apr 16 2004, 08:06 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Taoist_Saint @ Apr 16 2004, 08:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -Starsky@Apr 16 2004, 06:53 AM Originally posted by -AFDaw@Apr 16 2004, 04:30 AM Originally posted by -Starsky@Apr 15 2004, 09:38 PM <!--QuoteBegin--Taoist_Saint@Apr 15 2004, 09:33 PM Starsky...Did you know that your Avatar is actually a picture of Hutch? LOL....I had no idea.....but now that I do know...anyway I think I know...depending upon if you are right or not....I will change my avatar....But I just want AFDaw to know I appreciated all her hard work in getting me this avatar....It has done the trick...I think... That was my intent!! Starsky (and Hutch). Get it? Besides...who wants Ben Stiller as your avatar? LOL! Absolutely! I was thinking that you should have kept the avatar of Owen Wilson and changed your name to "Hutch".But anyway, if you like Ben Stiller and Owen Wilson, go see that movie!I saw it last week, and it is worth it just for seeing those two actors together! Well to get my name changed is a whole lot more work for someone other than myself...so a new avatar is fun...and easy to change....probably will change it a lot.... Quote
Guest Taoist_Saint Posted April 16, 2004 Report Posted April 16, 2004 Here's a list for Owen Wilson fans, with my ratings (just my opinions) Out of 4 stars... Actor • Around the World in 80 Days (2004) ??? • The Big Bounce (2004) ??? • The Life Aquatic (2004) ??? • Starsky & Hutch (2004) ***1/2 • Shanghai Knights (2003) ***1/2 • I Spy (2002) ***1/2 • Behind Enemy Lines (2001) *** (not a comedy) • The Royal Tenenbaums (2001) **** (not enough scenes with Owen Wilson, but his scenes are hilarious) • Zoolander (2001) **** • Meet the Parents (2000) **** • Shanghai Noon (2000) **** • Breakfast of Champions (1999) ??? • The Haunting (1999) * • The Minus Man (1999) *** (not a comedy) • Armageddon (1998) ** • Permanent Midnight (1998) ??? • Anaconda (1997) * • Bottle Rocket (1996) ***1/2 • The Cable Guy (1996) ***1/2 (but I don't remember Owen Wilson being in this movie!) Executive Producer • The Royal Tenenbaums (2001) **** • Rushmore (1998) **** (Owen is not in the movie, but its funny and has Bill Murray in it) Screenwriter • The Royal Tenenbaums (2001) **** • Rushmore (1998) **** • Bottle Rocket (1996) ***1/2 Quote
Jenda Posted April 16, 2004 Report Posted April 16, 2004 He has been in that many movies?????????????? I had no idea. Quote
Guest Taoist_Saint Posted April 16, 2004 Report Posted April 16, 2004 I was surprised too. I found that list on Yahoo Movies last year and my wife and I rented all the ones that I rated (except for the ones I saw years ago, like "Anaconda", "The Haunting" and "Armageddon", which were generally bad).But we rented about 8 of them within a few weeks when we found out how many movies he was in. The most obscure were "Bottlerocket" and "Minus Man". "Minus Man" was ok...not a comedy...Owen plays a psychotic killer if you can believe that! "Bottlerocket" was pretty funny though! Looks like it is only one of 3 movies on that list that he actually wrote.I heard that in "Around the World in 80 Days", he plays one of the Wright Brothers in a small role. I think his brother, Luke Wilson might be the other Wright brother, but I'm not sure.He must have only had a small cameo in "Cable Guy", because I don't remember it. But Ben Stiller is in that movie too, in a cameo (I didn't notice that until I watched it again recently) . So according to that list, Owen Wilson and Ben Stiller have been in 5 movies together.Fun facts! Quote
Guest bizabra Posted April 17, 2004 Report Posted April 17, 2004 Originally posted by Ammon+Apr 14 2004, 08:30 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Ammon @ Apr 14 2004, 08:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Snow@Apr 14 2004, 08:23 PM Ammon,Meaning that you disagree with what BRM said? How so? BRM? You mean Elder McConkie? BRM makes an odd acronym (e.g., Bowel Rumbling Movement). Elder McConkie, from what I understand, was the most frequently censured General Authority to ever hold that calling. The Church came down on him often for proffering his opinion as doctrine. Thus, in my personal view, his credibility is questionable, at best. Accordingly, I tend to shy away from his teachings and publications unless he is quoting scripture in the correct context or staying right in line with noncontroversial doctrine. Other than that, you can have him. Why did he remian a GA for so long? Why wasn't he removed from his office, if he was "leading others astray" by his writings, talks, and opinions? Why weren't rebuttals and corrections offered by THE CHURCH re: his heresies?Eh? "splain THAT! Quote
Guest bizabra Posted April 17, 2004 Report Posted April 17, 2004 Originally posted by Ammon+Apr 15 2004, 10:25 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Ammon @ Apr 15 2004, 10:25 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -Starsky@Apr 15 2004, 08:00 AM <!--QuoteBegin--Snow@Apr 14 2004, 10:38 PM AFDaw,I am not saying that Mormon Doctrine is the equivalent of gospel doctrine. In fact I agrue (correctly) that the scriptures (and precious little else) are the source of doctrine and most everything else is an interpretation or an explanation of doctrine, but not doctrine except to the extent that it agrees with doctrine in the scripture.Still, when Mormons want to understand a gospel word or concept, they turn first, just as often as not to Mormon Doctrine. Agree with him or not, McConkie was/is a fountain of knowledge. If the question is should I accept the word of a random poster on the internet or accept the word of a 40 year general authority who's work is published by the Church and respected by millions, guess where I fall? Oh Snow...you didn't know? BRM's book Mormon Doctrine was not okayed by the Prophet David O. Infact over 700 errors were found in it when they finally found out it was in the publics hands already.But....they have made several changes....BRM may have written books, but that hardly makes him an authority....even the evangelists write lots of books...I think the best place to get doctrine verified is through the obedience....D&C 121:45 Indeed, there were, and are many errors in that book. The antimormons LOVE that thing... it is full of alleged doctrine (see the title of the book), which IS NOT doctrine. And he was censured for claiming that the Catholic Church was the great and abominable church, among other things. He publicly apologized for this statement and retracted it. Further, his censures are not public record. Some leaked out, but there is not an offfical public record, to my knowledge.Moreover, I find it almost comical that Snow is so bent on limiting doctrine to the canon and little else, but apparently embraces with vigor a book called Mormon Doctrine--that is not Mormon doctrine at all--according to Snow's definition of doctrine. Thus, using Snow's definition, the title of the book is itself a lie, yet he apparently loves the thing. Go figure. EDIT: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints has NEVER and does not currently publish Mormon Doctrine. It is published by a private enterprise. The book is not authorized by The Church in any way. Why would the "censures" remain private? Why wouldn't THE CHURCH rush to correct him publicky, so that all the saints could have "the truth" and not believe BRM? Eh? Quote
Guest bizabra Posted April 17, 2004 Report Posted April 17, 2004 Originally posted by Starsky+Apr 15 2004, 09:38 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Starsky @ Apr 15 2004, 09:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Taoist_Saint@Apr 15 2004, 09:33 PM Starsky...Did you know that your Avatar is actually a picture of Hutch? LOL....I had no idea.....but now that I do know...anyway I think I know...depending upon if you are right or not....I will change my avatar....But I just want AFDaw to know I appreciated all her hard work in getting me this avatar....It has done the trick...I think... Why take his word for it? Check it out yourself! Maybe he is funnin' with ya, man! Quote
serapha Posted April 18, 2004 Author Report Posted April 18, 2004 Originally posted by Ammon+Apr 14 2004, 08:30 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Ammon @ Apr 14 2004, 08:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Snow@Apr 14 2004, 08:23 PM Ammon,Meaning that you disagree with what BRM said? How so? BRM? You mean Elder McConkie? BRM makes an odd acronym (e.g., Bowel Rumbling Movement). Elder McConkie, from what I understand, was the most frequently censured General Authority to ever hold that calling. The Church came down on him often for proffering his opinion as doctrine. Thus, in my personal view, his credibility is questionable, at best. Accordingly, I tend to shy away from his teachings and publications unless he is quoting scripture in the correct context or staying right in line with noncontroversial doctrine. Other than that, you can have him. Why did he remian a GA for so long? Why wasn't he removed from his office, if he was "leading others astray" by his writings, talks, and opinions? Why weren't rebuttals and corrections offered by THE CHURCH re: his heresies?Eh? "splain THAT!Can a GA be removed from office? I thought it was a lifetime position. ~serapha~ Quote
Guest Starsky Posted April 18, 2004 Report Posted April 18, 2004 Originally posted by bizabra+Apr 17 2004, 12:08 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bizabra @ Apr 17 2004, 12:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -Ammon@Apr 14 2004, 08:30 PM <!--QuoteBegin--Snow@Apr 14 2004, 08:23 PM Ammon,Meaning that you disagree with what BRM said? How so? BRM? You mean Elder McConkie? BRM makes an odd acronym (e.g., Bowel Rumbling Movement). Elder McConkie, from what I understand, was the most frequently censured General Authority to ever hold that calling. The Church came down on him often for proffering his opinion as doctrine. Thus, in my personal view, his credibility is questionable, at best. Accordingly, I tend to shy away from his teachings and publications unless he is quoting scripture in the correct context or staying right in line with noncontroversial doctrine. Other than that, you can have him. Why did he remian a GA for so long? Why wasn't he removed from his office, if he was "leading others astray" by his writings, talks, and opinions? Why weren't rebuttals and corrections offered by THE CHURCH re: his heresies?Eh? "splain THAT! Same reason JGolden Kimball wasn't....There must be room for them to grow and be who they are.....and who they are going to be. And the Lord ultimately made the decision didn't he? Quote
Guest Starsky Posted April 18, 2004 Report Posted April 18, 2004 Originally posted by bizabra+Apr 17 2004, 12:14 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bizabra @ Apr 17 2004, 12:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -Ammon@Apr 15 2004, 10:25 AM Originally posted by -Starsky@Apr 15 2004, 08:00 AM <!--QuoteBegin--Snow@Apr 14 2004, 10:38 PM AFDaw,I am not saying that Mormon Doctrine is the equivalent of gospel doctrine. In fact I agrue (correctly) that the scriptures (and precious little else) are the source of doctrine and most everything else is an interpretation or an explanation of doctrine, but not doctrine except to the extent that it agrees with doctrine in the scripture.Still, when Mormons want to understand a gospel word or concept, they turn first, just as often as not to Mormon Doctrine. Agree with him or not, McConkie was/is a fountain of knowledge. If the question is should I accept the word of a random poster on the internet or accept the word of a 40 year general authority who's work is published by the Church and respected by millions, guess where I fall? Oh Snow...you didn't know? BRM's book Mormon Doctrine was not okayed by the Prophet David O. Infact over 700 errors were found in it when they finally found out it was in the publics hands already.But....they have made several changes....BRM may have written books, but that hardly makes him an authority....even the evangelists write lots of books...I think the best place to get doctrine verified is through the obedience....D&C 121:45 Indeed, there were, and are many errors in that book. The antimormons LOVE that thing... it is full of alleged doctrine (see the title of the book), which IS NOT doctrine. And he was censured for claiming that the Catholic Church was the great and abominable church, among other things. He publicly apologized for this statement and retracted it. Further, his censures are not public record. Some leaked out, but there is not an offfical public record, to my knowledge.Moreover, I find it almost comical that Snow is so bent on limiting doctrine to the canon and little else, but apparently embraces with vigor a book called Mormon Doctrine--that is not Mormon doctrine at all--according to Snow's definition of doctrine. Thus, using Snow's definition, the title of the book is itself a lie, yet he apparently loves the thing. Go figure. EDIT: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints has NEVER and does not currently publish Mormon Doctrine. It is published by a private enterprise. The book is not authorized by The Church in any way. Why would the "censures" remain private? Why wouldn't THE CHURCH rush to correct him publicky, so that all the saints could have "the truth" and not believe BRM? Eh? Would you like to see everyone who confesses their sins....stand before a congregation?Sometimes it is easier to just keep moving and correcting individual errors as they come up....by listening to the talks at conference...you will find they have openly discussed doctrine in it's proper perspective and understanding.I have heard different GAs disagree on doctrine.....and they weren't openly censured....My mother used to say: It is a dirty bird that s..... in it's own nest. (Yes...my mother was a farmers daughter and had colorful language at times....LOL)BRM made a lot of mistakes....but those mistakes will be on his head...and all those who errored because of him....he will be accountable to them as well. But I will bet that there will be more who benefitted from his work and life, than who faltered in any serious way....Those who follow BRM religiously are very strong in their faith... Quote
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