COUNTRYBEAR

We beieve in the exisitance of many gods, but we worship the Eternal Father, Elohiem, through the intermediary of the saviour Jesus Christ whom we reverance.

Sixpacker, yes it takes a certain amount of strenght, testimony, and commitment to stay the course and endure to the end. Those who take offense at trivialites are often looking for a reason to justify their abandonmnet of church. They already have one foot in the world and take only a nuge to move them out of the light. It is therefore important to be careful about how we express our opinions, my self included I am a bit of a grouchy bear too- just ask elgama:). The princile reason for this is that we often dont know where the emotional trip wires are on peole especially new converts or new people to the ward, they may have had bad experiences and need counciling to help them. However often times they wount come ot and say they have issues the only time you know is when the IED goes off. The fall out is always difficult to manage. This is where home teachers, visiting teachers and missionaries can be helpful to allow such people an oportunity to vent if nessacery in the home where they are more likly to fell less vaulnerable.

with so many negative attacks agasinst the sisters, which I fear I have accidentally triggered, it is only fair that the sisters have the opportunity to say how they feel let down by the priest hood 21st centuary man and what we as the priesthood and as men can do to continue to nurture, support the sisters in thier divinly appointed role and contiune to be of relivance in the modern age so that we can gain or re-gain their love, trust and respect. LOL to all sisters around the world:bighug:

I was once told that offense is something that taken not given however if you go out of your way to offend you will. people are human and have a breakin point, after all Christ cleansed the temple of the money changers with a whip- he was offended by their unrightousness, therse men were members of the judaic covenant and should have known better if they had been more spiritual. The church speaks of the three fold mission one of which is to fellowship the saints if we do knot do this we are under condemnation. Yes sixpacker you make many poinbts about our perspective on judgment of thoise who mistreat us but that dosernt make us feel less alone or hurt. Our brothers and sistes are our keepers and should be a source of strenght in the gospel but when they let worldlyness and pride guiode their actions they do great harm to the this church by driving away those whom they should have nurtured.

Read Genesis, it says that man was cast out from the garden of eden so that he could not eat of the tree of eternal least they become as gods. Mankind is the product of divine parentage and thus heirs to divinity, we have a divine ancestry and thus the posability of a divine future made possible through obedience to the gospel and the atonement of chirsit. Those who inherit celestial glory may qualify for exhaultation the supreme blessing ofeternal prosperity and like the saviour are acccorded saviours on mount zion. They inherit the power to become like the father and continue the divine work of increase the posterity. The blessed will then perform divine works set forth by the pattern of our forbearers. The term God is explained as a calling like bishop or prophet and this calling is founded in the power and authority of the priesthood predicated on the covenants that bind even the father (for if god were to lie he would cease to be god).

I am green to the chat room scene and as yet have noy figured out how to modify my profile section so any one who has any tips Id be greatful:confused:

Elgama is right the americas were the promised land of the old testament set aside by the Lord for his own purposes, the book of mormon teaches us this. Religious freedom in the americas is a debateable point however. The church only found true stability in the Salt Lake Desert after much sever persicution from those who supposedly loved the constitution and freedom. The church ended up in outside the US boarders on the otherside of the Indian Territory and in the farthest outbacks of Mexico d so they wold be safe from the majority protestant US and catholic Mexico neither of which were tolerant of the church beacuse unfortuatly when they left the old world on their quest for a better life they brought their prejudices with them like plague rats, they leave one area on a ship but they bring their diseseases with them. Thus the church ended up in the one place on the earth that the saints were most likly to flurish, they without consistant divine intervention there wpold have been constant unrelenting harrasment of the saints and no civilization can last when at constant war with itself or its neighbours, the tragic end to the BoM teaches this also.

Lagniappe Check Out Smg On The Defying Mormon Perfectionism Thread You May Find That This Situation Is More Wide Spread Than You Think, Unfortunatlly.

SMG, you are not alone my ex-wife experienced similar treatment (see my marraige after 30 thread) please please please dont let it drive you away from the gospel. I did confront the bishop and relief society only to be threatened with disfellowship and finally it was suggested that we may be happier in a different ward by the high priest group leader. There are good people and wards out there but their are pockets of narrow minded society which can do tremendous damage to the soul if allowed to -trust me my Ex-wife left me and the church largly beacuse of this kind of b/s. The best thing to do is seek alternative friends from around you, and stay spiritually close to the Lord.

Michaela, it seems that you and most other sister posters are determined to misunderstand me and focus on my supposed anger. There is no anger only sad observations which can be frustrating. I do not wish to join the FLDS neither do I expect to mary any women I choose that is as abusrd as it is sexiest. The origonal question was dose being over 30, not a rfeturned missionary and a divorcee prevent me from remarrying beacuse I dont fit a sterotypical archtype of what a man should be in the 21st century. There is a growing problem amongst the sisters of discriminatory behaviour based on worldly outlooks. A case in point. When my wife and I first got together some years ago we lived in a cwertain ward USA (outside Utah). I this ward the sisters were very rude to my wife they openly told her that beacuse she had no children she had to sit in the back of the church. She was openly discouraged and ignored in relief society and vertually outcast socialy. The discrimination was so bad we stoped going and eventually changed wards. This continuing thread of caustioc behaviour by the sisters from several wards lead to the lose of her faith and leaving the church, yes I am angy about that. Given that such atttitudes exist among sisters I want to know from the sisters if there is any point me contiuing to search or am I destined to be left on the shelf gathering dust. If so fair enough sweep me into the recyclinbg I'll stop worrying about and get on with my singldom life and wait for the millenium with the rest of zions rejects. ps: I am thinking of starting my own web site for the rejects of the church who are outcasts (male and female) so that we can fellowship wirthout worrying about weathger we are up to the standard or not, seriously-more to follow on this subj.

Yes The Star On The Temple Represents The Telestial Kingdom, Pagans Are Not Satanists Beacuse They Do Not Believe In Satan Or Christ They Are Anamists.

I agree with DesRaines the difficulties lie in the cultural differences that divide us and as far as perspective partners in life goes no can or should decide for the individual what is best for them and as for everyone else its none of their business. In all other respects people are people and should be treated with the love, charity and dignity deserved of a son or daughter of god. In the beginning we were all spirit children of god undivided by mortal trapings such as skin colour.

When christ rose from the dead and appeared unto Mary he say touch me not for I am not yet perfect for I have not assended to my father in heaven. Perfecting the saints, as a people and personally will not happen in this life time. We have the millenium awaiting us. In the end it dosent matter to the saviour where on the ladder of perfection your are so long as you are progressing in the right direction

If you desire to serve a mission then put the lords calling first, from experience boot camp is not conducive to spiritual growth plus during these unsettled times if needed you will be sent to a situatiuon and you may not get the chance to sever a mission (this side of the veil) beacuse once you sign up you are goverment property and they will always have first claimon you, thus you mayend up never serving a mission as a young man. Go on a mission first beacuse the marines will be there when you get back. As for your shortcommings Moses had problems to but he was still called. Those who are about the Lords work have calim upon him for support. You will be edified and blessed by the Lord and supported by your companions, zone leaders, ward mission leaders (of which I was one), and area mission president. Hope this helps. ps; I was unable to go beacuse of wisdom teeth and I do regret it, even after 15 years, if I could go back and change one thing in my life serving a mission would be it.

Elgama, the problem is I still care for her beacuse she is the mother of my children and she is no better advantaged in her new situation thus I worry beacuse I care for her as a sister on the one hand but on the other well we wount go there. Yes you are right about putting it behind you. However its not about revenge I hope I never go that dark and reach a point where I have no good feelings toward her beacuse that says something daming about me which I dont like because its not who I really am. In person I am a nice guy really, honest. I do hold strong views on topics such as religion, especially defending the faith, and politics. Perhaps you dont always understand when I am makeng a joke to try and lighten the conversation so people don't feel that I am angry beacuse its not true, passionate is closer to the truth I have enjoyed our chat and found it very rewarding. The thanks is general and I withdraw the eggs

Elgama, it seems that I am in a less that desierable place, but don't mistake my words as a broardbrush of all sisters everywhere it would seem there is an unusuall collection of sisters with problems in my area. There seems to be better people in other places and yes I am far from being ready to date again but when I do I think I will search beyond my own area. Well guys and gals its been fun so long and thanks for all the eggs.

every worthy saint is commanded to seek a temple marraige, to do less sells us short and opens us up to the heartach of a divided home not just in this life but the next for only celestial marraiges last beyond death. I intend to marry again but only in the temple or not at all. If guys are inshort supply in your area try another, there out there honest. Stay strong in the gospel and the Lord will guid you.

Ray A been there done that and still have the $50000 worth of debts she left me with, not trying to bore the ladies with war stories sorry.

Elgama, there are a lot of vermin out there that pass themselfs of as men so you have every right to be selective. However, this is a discussion forum not a dating site were allowed to be opinionated and emotive thats what discussions are for. My point is I personally have seen a disturbing trend amongst the sisters toward materalism and antagonism toward men in general, and its not playful teasing, it is genuine femanist competativeness which is completely different from the desire for equality, justice and respect with which all sister should be treated ( I love you all- no really, thats why it hurts so much). Thus from my perspective in the 21st Centuary are women activly discrimiunating against men based on shallow and vein peramiters and therefore am I wasting my time seeking a new wife beacuse I am over30, not a RM (iam getting the hang of this lingo now) and dont look like Brad Pitt or have have his bank account. Now I realise that in heaven we all had different personalities and so it is true down here this isn't bad we all pair up based on common interests, likes and even physical apperance. It's no use being with some one your not compatible with no matter how rightous they are but it dose seem that women are selecting partners, if at all, based on more baser and worldly peramiters. Is descency a virtue that is last behind the trimmings of wealth beacuse at least around here the sisters definatly have 90210 complex, they wount look at you if earn less than £50k ($100K) and have the prestigious job that goes with it. There seems to be a generation demarkation with those of my age group and younger exhibiting these traits and those in the generation before us being more spiritual and you can really see the diference in the sisters.

I belive in the truth of the book of mormon, if you trust in christ then we must accept that the saviour would not wast his time or insult us with a fraudulant work. Too many saints ancient and modern have lost their lives defending its truth and principles it would be a base betrayal of their loyalty for the Saviour to use such a base deception.

It is interesting to note that the male/ female divide on this issue it seems we see the world from different eyes, by the way Iam not a chauvanist, unbalanced or creepy. Those men who have been where I am relate instantly and know what I am saying where as I tend to hear the same sroke broardside answer from the sisters. My questions and replies were never meant to be hurtful or derogatory. However I refuse to apologise for vocalizing the facts of my own personal experiences and observations and it would seem that I am not alone. It would seem that haveing feelings that go against the political church doctrine of never seeing or speaking of sisters wrong doing will have me burned as a heratic all I can say is turn me over I am done on this side. By the by next time you ask your priesthood holder for a blessing perhaps he should say no after all your not entitled to anything, although I was always taught that the pristhood was duty bound to bless the faithful but hey lets try it your way. Then again perhaps it is all my fault, being a man and all- phew back on safe mormon political ground, may be a just have a low threshold for arrogant, sarcastic, self-opinionated, worldly and stuck-up women, Its not nessacery for her to have all these traits one at a time is more than sufficent. I guess I am attracted to the happy, down to earth but intelligent women who desire to work with me not compete with me it is so tiresome to try to live celestial covenants such as concecration with such women. If Im sound angry so what I invested 10 years of love and loyalty into my wife and in return she spat in my face, riped my guts out and flushed um and gess what it sucked but perhaps your right Iam not entitled to things like kindness, respect and loyalty there only for women right. All i can say is thank god women such as above arn't the final judges in Israel but it would be hell to thing that descency entitles you to nothing. In fact such such an attitude is not scripturaly born out for those who inherit celestial glory do so as a result of obedience to the gospel and in return inherit their promised (entitled) reward of eternal increse though the new and everalsting covenant of marraige. If the sisters can pick that appart because they dont like it then they have some serious doctrinal issues.

Question, what is the FLDS? Michaela point taken I understand this I just woundered if you did. Finally, support is great but so is the truth some times its good to see things from other peoples perspectives perhaps Iam still to close to the event to see things objectivly. However it cannot be denied there is a great cloud of apostasy hanging over the church and its a 50/50 problem these days. Hope is a slim commodity in this neck of the woods, may be I need to cast my net wider and go where the good people are, any one know where they are hiding (HaHaHa). As far as apostate women in scripture are concerned I wount risk the wrath of all coverns I mean Relief Societies (HeHe) this night by digressing from the subject. I guess in the end that's all I was hopeing for a reason to keep hopeing, thanks to all and to all a good night. Countrybear.

Elgama, so you only like a man if you can seperate him from his priesthood, why? is it about power, jelousy, femanism, spiritual emasculation what? Further Is it not women who are constantly saying that a man needs the priesthood to be their equal. If it such a big turn off in the LDS community to be a priesthood holder why should we bother.

MICHAELA, some times the truth isn't very attractive and putting a sugar coat on things only masks the reality. Perhaps I do need more time to heal but if sisters such as yourself feel that being a worthy priesthood holder dosn't entitle you to companionship then what dose, and if nothing dose then it just proves my point that women have become cold. For certainly the Lord feels that all worthy priesthood holders should seek a temple marraige he would't have said it if we didin't deserve it. The real truth michaela is that some times in life the deserving don't always get what they should not beacuse they arn't worthy or entitled but because it is denied to them. Surley every human being is deserving of love heaven surley thinks so, so why not you.

APHRODITE, all in all she gave up ont the gospel and allowed past demons, from before we met, to over come her testimony thus leading her to an affair with a much older no LDS man. To the others, as for spirituality I personaly see not much to choose between the sexs on that count these days though I am hopeful but it is hard work sifting through the fools gold to find the genuine artical. I do try not to be jaded but there is this feeling in the soul that he world has darkened and that as the decades pass the time is approaching when the sisters no longer respect the priesthood, even when they deserve it