Over43
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What I am wondering is, it says "eat meat sparingly, used only in times of winter, or cold or famine."
What that is saying to me is that we should all be pretty much vegitarians unless we are starving, or in rough winter times. So are people following the Word of Wisdom who eat meat with every meal, or 2 meals a day? I know lots of people that go to interviews with their Bishops and answer yes to the question are you following the Word of Wisdom, when in acuality they are not.
So what are your takes on this?
The "meat thing" is an interesting question. Some years ago a Sacramento (I believe) doctor wrote a diet book based on the Word of Wisdom. He had had a severe heart attack and then gone through the process of finding what "diet" would serve his purose of finding cardiac health. Anyway, after trying the raw food diet (fruits, vegetables and juices only). This was too extreme for him so he lived the WoW "To the tee". He went vegan (possibly some dairy, I don't remember). He gave church historical evidence that Brigham Young, Lorenzo Snow, Wilford Woodruff, and others had taken up a vegetarian lifestyle. If I can hunt said book down I will give author and title. It's in a box somewhere. On an additional note Brigham Young once said that if people say it's wrong to eat meat then they are wrong. So I guess it's up to our own conscience at this moment in time.
By the way, the Caymans are a wonderful place to spend some time Ben. Wish I could go back. Maybe in a year or two.
O43
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Anyone besides me on the calling merri-go-round? I go from primary to teaching Elder's quorum on a regular basis. I switch back and forth. About six months ago I got called to primary again after having been teaching Elder's quorum (again). During the "interview" the bishopric member asked how I felt about the calling, I gave him the honest answer: I teach school 5 days a week. The last thing I want to do is spend two hours on Sunday teaching and sitting with more kids. I was sent back to Elder's quorum where I am teaching.
I guess it is what it is.
O43
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My father in law got married at 19 instead of going on a mission. He has been in numerous bishoprics, worked in the Temple, raised wonderful children (mostly, my wife being the most wonderful...). You do what you need to do, serve where and when you can in whatever capacity is available.
O43
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I dont know about cheer..but i do know that dance comps are popular out there. My soon to be's oldest is heavily into dance. Apperently there are something like pro teams that are out there. IDK...Guess I have to get used to it since that is usually the next step! Rah Rah Ree!!!!!
Dance is becoming quite popular where I live in Idaho. And when you get good, it isn't "Dance" or "Cheer" it becomes "Extreme" dance or cheer. I have also seen "Extreme" soccer. (Not related to Extreme dance or cheer I assume...) I have a young lady in my class who really struggles with academic classes, but she can cheer and dance better than the rest. It is her "gift" or talent. Good for her.
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What amazed me about the BYU cheer squad when I was up close them was how short they all were.
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Every night I read one chapter from the Book of Mormon. I spend an hour doing this because not only am I reading the book, but I'm also studying it. I use the cross refferences and read single phrases serveral times until I'm sure that I understand them. I also pray every night before and after I read the BoM, the prayer before is to seek knowledge and the prayer after is to retain it.
I have even had nights where the chapter I read the night before (or even a week before) didn't quite stick so I had to go back and re-read so I would be sure I understood. It has now been 2 months and I am just now to Moroni, it's a long way to stretch, but I think it's well worth it. Especially since when I'm done I'm going to do it head on to the D&C and then the Old and New Testament in the same manner, then I'm going to do it again.
I have often had to go back through a passage or chapter on several occassions because I "zoned" out, or didn't pick up what was being taught. Your patience and diligence is excellent, we could all learn a lesson from your post.
O43
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Taking the time to read the works of Hugh Nibley helps put this in perspective. My thought would be that the "RM" needed, wanted, a reason to leave the church and found one. The Temple ceremony is, according to Dr. Nibley, quite ancient. (Which we would understand.) During a BYU religion class years ago we learned that the Zorastrians apparently had similar ceremonies. Having been through the Temple, and also been raised at the 3* of Masonry, the ceremonies are similar. One is living and vibrant (the Temple) that has cause and purpose: helping each member achieve the three fold mission of the church, while the other is a hollow and almost meaningless event that the original purpose of has been forgotten.
O43
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Almost tried to sell a case of Xango juice to a neighbor, gave it back to my in-laws and told them to get lost.
That there's funny, I don't care who you are! By the way, what is Xango juice?
O43
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- The Bee Gees
- trying to find public restrooms at Fisherman's Wharf
- The Steroid Era in baseballl (I'm sure that's all fixed now)
- Bell bottom pants
- and Steve DeBerg as the 49ers quarterback
The things I do miss:
- the rotary telephone with the cord. (I always knew where it was)
- Reggie Jackson
- The 600 page catalogue that came every so often (pick your store)
- gas less than a dollar (a $1.30???)
- History courses without agendas.
- oh, and Duran Duran
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I was in a Safeway once and got $40 in change back instead of $20. I didn't noctice till I got to work. So the next morning I took the extra $20 back. The Safeway staff was shocked. They offered me free coffee for a week.
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This tpoic took off a lot more than I thought it would. An interesting caveat: I was re-reading my patriarchal blessing again recently and I think part of it addresses this issue. And not to go into too much detail, at one point it does state that my parents love me, are not perfect, and have tried their best. In all honesty this is an interesting statement since I have often wondered how I got "put" into this family. I can't say I'm would have chosen such a situation in the PME. However, quite possibly Heavenly Father knew I needed to be there, and that's where I went. It could have been worse, I could have been living under a tin roof in a third world country with raw sewege running down the street and anacondas roaming the neighborhood.
We get what we get sometimes. Sometimes I'm just pretty sure that wasn't what I wanted.
I could tell more about my first years, but out of respect for my parents I will not divulge that. But things happened between the ages of 1-3 that I knew nothing about until my grandpa spilled the beans to my wife a year or two ago. (And just to make sure one thing is clear no sexual abuse is involved.)
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Since I have discovered Celebrex running and power walking have been reinvited into my life. It is good for us, both mentally and physically. Of course there are some who over do it, but by enlarge I think that walking and running were what we humans were meant to do (see Why We Run). For 5,900 years that's how 99% of us humans got to where we needed to go.
Congrats on your re-newed find of running.
O43
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He's (the nephew that got whacked with the shoe) my sister's kid, I guess she laid into him after he did it, but that doesn't mean anything. He's never done such a thing to my children because I think he knows I'm not afraid of him and even though he's in his sixties now, if he did do something like that to one of my girls I'd go ape. He knows this and I think that's the only thing that has kept him from touching my kids. I've always thought a good beating would do him good (not very nice I know).
O43
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I grew up in a household where my parents were very heavy handed. (If you get my drift...)
I was once whipped across my back with an iron cord for putting dirty forks in the dish washer which held clean dishes. Let me tell you, that took my breath away.
Over the years I have pushed "this stuff" to the back of my mind, and decided it was done and over with. My parents have been very helpful over the years with a variety of things, supportive, etc.
However, this last week an event happened that brought it all back, and made me realize how forgiveness can be placed on shaky ground.
To make a long story short, while I had left a family get together to get a Coke (not caffeine free either), my parent threw a shoe at a nephew, hit him in the ribs, briused him and knocked the wind out of him.
It's been 48 hours and I'm still trying to process this. Maybe I haven't forgiven as much as I need to?
O43
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I believe there is. It is unfortunate that many religions do not recognize this.
I thought President Hinckley's "Come and take some of our good..." (paraphrase) was beautiful and timely.
One of my favorite books is "Being Peace" by Buddhist monk Thich Nhat Hanh. (A Vietnamese monk living in exile in France.)
Jon
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I think of most of the religions out there, LDS folks are quite tolerant of the Theory of Evolution. I had a BYU professor who stood up one day and said he believed in evolution. No one really "batted an eye" as posted above.
He also made sure he stated he was a full tithe payer...
I have also think I have heard President Hinckley (And I am so sorry I do not have a citation) state that "The Church" takes no official stance on the subject.
Jon
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In SE Idaho a wind farm company offered a lady the chance to have them lease her land. They will pay her by the kilowatt. She stands to make a whole lot more money than she ever has running cattle and raising alfalfa. Her neighbor happens to be a multimillionaire who has made his money selling snake oil. He has filed a motion to block the project because it will ruin his view.
None of us may like the energy issues we are facing, but something needs to be done (yes even windmills) to help alleviate the problem and stop sending our cash to nations that breed terrorists.
If we need to drill on the continental shelf, then let's get it on.
By the way, anyone seen the Smart Car? Ugly little thing.
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I had a high school friend who got robbed at a 7-Eleven. The guy gagged him and stuffed him in the trunk of his own car. Took the police several hours to figure out where he was. Scared the doo doo out of him.
Aside from that, that is an excellent testimony.
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Another item I've noticed about "Anti" agendas is that they are very closed group. A "mormon" in good standing has very little chance of postin on their forums. In fact a forum I ran across yesterday stated in its credo, "If you are an active member please do not try to post here, we don't want to hear it..." (paraphrase).
However, they apparently feel more than welcome to come here and other LDS sites and post their hate, criticize spelling, and whatever else they can manage to make sport of. Which is unfortunate because many of them spend less time "discussing" hcurch doctrine andmore time defaming individuals who are private persons, i.e. "My neighbor is LDS and...", "While on my mission my companion..."
It really is a shame.
Jon
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Greg Norman finished 3rd. Let's here it for the over 50 crowd. He's eligble for next years Masters. It's good to see him doing well for at least this tournament.
Jon
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we are just trying to get caught up.. lately we have just enough to cover our basic bills.. and I mean basic
this will change by next month, but in the meantime havent been paying tithing..
I feel terrible.. and I feel like others who know are judging me for it.. sublte comments in conversation, looks etc...
its not that I dont want to pay.. but I just cant right now..
No one should know what your tithing situation is but you and your bishop. And the Lord. Feeling terrible shouldn't be something you are concerned about. I think that is "Old Scratches" way of pinning us down. When the chance arise start paying your 100% and go from there.
We all go through hard times and do the best we can. I home taught a family once and the bishop "required" them to pay $50 a month tithing. (OK, I knew about that, them, the bishop and me. No one else knew...) From $50 a month it grew to $75, $100, etc. until they were paying what everyone else would consider a full tithe. I was impressed by our bishop, instead of "guilt and shame" he worked with them and built confidence.
Jon
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I was watching the British Open yesterday morning when a camera man caught another camera man on film, taking a tumble in the tall grass of St. Andrews. The standing camera man also caught Greg Norman hustling down the fairway, into the thick to help the guy up.
I was impressed. There aren't too many pros who you see doing something like that.
Jon
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I live 4 miles from the Rexburg Temple. And, it truly is beautiful. However, I was married in Oakland and am partial to that temple. I also find the Idaho Falls temple is quite beautiful. In fact I "like" it better than Rexburg.
Jon
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There are a lot of reasons why someone would specifically move against the church when they had previously been members. I feel bad for them, because it takes a lot to go through the process of leaving the church officially. To go through all that just to disassociate with a religious group means somebody really feels wronged for some reason. If they just got bored with the church or just lost their testimony chances are they would just be inactive members, not antis.
I've spoken one on one with some adamant antis, and a lot of them have really sad experiences with the church. My heart breaks for them, because nobody should have to feel unsafe or unhappy in their church. But at the same time, it's no reason to blame the entire institution and the scripture it's based off.
There are also antis who have absolutely no experience or knowledge of the church. I don't feel so sorry for them, because it only makes you look stupid to berate the Book of Mormon when you haven't even read it. Maybe they are concerned for our salvation, but some are just there to feel pious.
Every church has to face criticism at some point in it's existence. It's best to just be loving to them and ignore their words.
This is an interesting post. Ealier in the evening a happened upon an "anti" website by ex members. Most of their stories were not unique, most of their rationalizations were very similar. What I was "amazed" at was their seeming inability to let go. Just walk away. Many had hundreds of posts about this or that.
Your end statement was right on, It is just best to be loving towards them, anything else just seems to fuel their furnace.
Jon
Need for Mormon Confessional?
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It's unfortunate that for some reason we believe that Catholics are not sincere in their desires to become better people. I doubt that any of us can make the call that a penitent Catholic who attends confessional does not mean to change their heart. As far as "being ridiculous" is concerned, that is your opinion. No remorse or accountability? For most attending Catholics I doubt that.
It is also unfortunate that some do attend a meeting with their bishop and sooner or later the cat is out of the bag. It is not necessarily the bishop himself who makes this err, but there are counselors, stake high priets, wives (not directed at Pam) etc. who often get involved. They are human, people talk. I know several people it has happened to, it's what it is.
The current system is set up to be a loving/learning experience. Shame is sometimes part of that process and part of the growing steps.
I would imagine that well over (pick a percentage) of bishops make every effort to see that the process is done appropriately.
We also need to remember that sometimes people who do the trangressing, also do their own talking. Then the info leaks, people chat, and the person who transgressed wonders "how do they know"? You talked.
O43