Redbeard

I totally forget I made this thread! Thank you all for posting, your opinions were very helpfull!

It's fine that you don't mind it in your home, that is your choice. The LDS members of this board find it offensive to do those things, and they believe that it deminishes the "spirit" in their home, so even taking your opinion of what is okay, the person making those decisions is doing harm to them by deminishing that "spirit". What you are stating is way to PC for me... and I'm not even mo(rmon)! The World is way to caught up on doing whatever possible to not offend people. If you do not want me to offend you, don't come to my house where I do things differently then what you do. The OP told her guests what she allowed and did not allow in her home. If the people did not want to agree to her terms they didn't have to stay in her home! Would it really have been so hard to find a hotel? By the way, I'm not married and I have a live in girlfriend. If my parents wanted to have a family reunion and gave me the exact same options, I would have not problem getting a hotel. No reason for animosity... I don't hold it against them, but if they were to ever come to my home and try pushing their beliefs on me we would have a problem :)

Hmmm... this seems pretty easy to me, and I'm the heathen on the board! It's your home, if they do not respect your rules it's not a big deal, you can still love them, and they are still family, but they can do their own thing in a hotel/motel :) . In someone else's home I respect their rules, and when you come to my house I expect the same thing. What frustrates me is when I have a family member come stay with me while traveling and then get after me for using harsh language and owning R rated movies.... IN MY OWN HOME! Now THAT is frustrating. In my parents home I hold my tounge, I don't drink alchohol or coffee, so that's not a problem at all, but I respect what they believe. Just remember, if you are in someone else's home DO NOT get after them for not having the same "standards" as you... Anyway, just wanted to make sure everyone saw the other side.

Please, no debating, I HONESTLY do not know, I am not trying to spark debate, I am simply wondering if there is anything in the bible that states that it should be taken literally. Direct quotes would be INCREDIBLY helpful. Thanks in advance! And please, no need for debate, just looking for quotes!

To skalenfehl, Thank you for the fantastic and well thought out debate, it has been one of the best debates I have taken part of on this site! Just wanted to say that, but I don't think I'll be adding more, I think we have both said all that can be helpfully said! Anyway, I wish all the debates on this site were as helpful... but hey...

Once again, a completely rude and unnecessary post... As I have also been kind in my posts, please show me a post that I have made that has been rude. Please link a single post I have made that attempts to lure anyone away from the church. Just one. Go ahead, I'll wait. I don't care that you believe, that doesn't bother me at all, but do not post fallacies to support your claims. Good, I am happy that you remember who I am Great, please enjoy your faith, but please do not force your faith on people who are not of your faith, that is all I have been saying this ENTIRE time... What evil is that exactly? Am I voting for a right to allow anyone to kill anyone? For the right to abuse children? Really, what is so evil pray tell? And my girlfriends family Donates a massive amount of their income on "racial purity" groups... Yes, you and I can agree to disagree, I don't post on these threads to convince you, I do them so that people can see both sides of a very important argument. Believe it or not, I actually watched the video, but I am a little confused on what I was supposed to find so interesting, it did say "stand up for feedom" which did make me giggle a little... but that's another story. Anyway, I wish you would not attack me directly, as I have not done anything to attack you.

You know what? That post was completely uncalled for. I hope you will go over every single post I have ever made and check to see if I have ever made a comment critical of the LDS church.

No reason to appologize! I read your other post and it seems totally resonable. I appologize if I insulted you in any way, that was deffinatly not my intention!

You know Hemi, I would really like to respond to that, but there is no way I can do it without being rude.

Good point! Of course, if you want to say that sex is for procreation, should infertile hetrosexual couples not be able to marry? The idea that homosexuality would destroy our evolution is a little bit silly if you start digging into it, if homosexual marriage was legal, would ALL people become homosexual? Would you? People would continue being homo and hetro sexual as they are now, it wouldn't change a thing for the future of mankind.

Not so interesting as it is well.... Frustrating beyond all belief DOJ= Department of Justice And not so much of actual support for my side, but it's a little more biased than I prefer, You are talking about the section of our goverment that gets patted on the back for prosecuting and imprisoning the majority of drug users. If drugs are legalized then the majority of the people in our prisons were put in there for reasons we would then see as rediculous, therefore slandering the DOJ and DEA. They have investments in keeping drugs illegal. And our government is already pretty good at making up stories without evidence. The DOJ and DEA have been critizised multiple times by different groups for putting out unverified information. United States Department of Justice - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Go down to the Corruption, Dissent, and Criticism section for more info Drug Enforcement Administration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia That is all my opinion BTW, but I feel it's pretty well supported... Anyway, just my thoughts. No no no, I'm sorry, the 1975 ruling is what allows alaskans to have marijuana plants and carry in small amounts without prosecution, I'm sorry, I totally messed up my sources, thank you for bringing that up! From Places that have decriminalized non-medical marijuana in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia "With the 1975 Ravin v. State decision, the Alaska Supreme Court declared the state's anti-drug law unconstitutional with respect to possession of small amounts of marijuana, holding that the right to privacy guaranteed by the Alaska state constitution outweighed the state's interest in banning the drug.[2] Despite a 1990 initiative statute and a 2006 legislative statute contradicting the Ravin decision, Alaska courts continue to follow Ravin, voiding laws which criminalize possession of small amounts of cannabis.[3][4][5] This allows possession of less than 25 plants in your residence or home" The Seattle Times: Local News: Judge rules against Alaska marijuana law LOL, you are entirely in the right, If I am going to ask for sources it is only fair that I provide them as well

Well that is Deffinatly the most creative way anyone has called me ignorant, good job Anyway, so because my opinion differs from the majority here, I am the one who is ignorant? Pretty silly really to assume that.

Ahh, so the only reason we have sex is to procreate... You think animals enjoy it any less than humans?

Finish the rest of the page Hemi... And unless you have evidence that what you are saying is true you are just giving opinion. The scroll itself says nothing about being passed on. Edit: No record of his life, but we do have a list of the kings before him... Sumerian king list - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Strange, no talk of adam in there...

Wow, so many responses to deal with! If you reread what I wrote, I was stating that homosexuality is not exlusive to Humans... that's it... And animals do think reason, and make decisions... you really should check out your old high school biology book. If you really can't do the research for yourself, let me know and I will post a bunch of artichles linking animal research for you. And Animals have the same ability... Um... and your evidance for any of this is... I mean, the last part is fairly obvious (rent, jobs, etc etc,) but what is your proof that they do not plan murder? Are you an animal psychic? Do you know for 100% fact that an ape has never planned to kill another ape? I know it sounds silly, but apes do kill each other, for multiple reasons, and apes are intelligent enough to use tools and to solve advanced problems. Um, lots of animals kill other animals of the same species... Other than that, I don't know what else you are trying to say... And that is your opinion, I have a differing opinion, no big deal Um... good for her? What about the millions of homosexual couples who are christian and never feel the need to stop what they are doing? Wow... humans are animals too you know, yes we're the smartest ones that we know of, but there are also animals that carry out manogomous relationships... are you saying that you are comparing yourself to those animals!?!?! How embarrasing! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So religion isn't fundamental either... Marriage may have been a theistic law, but once the government came in and started to use the term it became a non-theist term. Sorry, one of the advantages of having church and state seperate. And that definition of marriage is your own, let me read the most up to date deffinition of marriage: the state of being a married couple voluntarily joined for life (or until divorce); "a long and happy marriage"; "God bless this union" two people who are married to each other; "his second marriage was happier than the first"; "a married couple without love" the act of marrying; the nuptial ceremony; "their marriage was conducted in the chapel" a close and intimate union; "the marriage of music and dance"; "a marriage of ideas" that was the first definition brought up in when you type in "Define:marriage" in google. The first one that talks about marriage being a man and a woman? www.medievalwriting.50megs.com/churchglossary/glossaryi.htm Hmm... Well that is good