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  1. What in the heck? No caffeine?

    in Learn about The Church of Jesus Christ Of Latter-day Saints

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    That is an interesting way to look at it. However the "weakest of saints" part is in the intro that also explains it isn't a commandment. I figure because it wasn't a commandment it was adapted to the "weakest of saints."

    I can see how making it a commandment could help people like yourself to not consume these thing, who you might see as the "weakest of saints" but i disagree. I think the "weakest saints" would be those with addictions who can't overcome them and by sending it "by greeting and not by command or constraint" it was adapted to the "weakest of saints"

    I'm not sure I completely understood what you were trying to say. Could you explain what you mean a little further, I'm not sure its come over the way you intended it.

    I'll comment on what I think you mean. I'm not sure if I can overcome it, its only been a short amount of time since I quit drinking Coke (under a month). I have tried time and time again to quit drinking it over the last 3 or so years that I've realised it was a problem (i had the same habits for a long time before that, but never saw it for what it was). For me it is the biggest weakness I have, I have no desire to drink alcohol, nor coffee etc, but put Coke in front of me, I normally cant help myself. The few times it has been offered to me in that short time, once i caved and drank it, the other time it made me feel uncomfortable and my mind was fixed on it sitting in the ice bucket.

    :lol: I can sooo picture that scene. How did she explain the "failed" result?

    The burger was macdonalds and therefore indestructible to the most corrosive of chemicals.

  2. Welcome a new internet troll :D

    in Introduce Yourself

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    Welcome to the site. I look forward to reading more of your posts.

    yeah, i'm sure there'll be many more, but i think i may restrict myself to some of the lighter topics, after scrolling through a few threads, some of the topics are pretty hardcore. so i think i'm going to have to lurk for a while to get a feel for the place.

    thanks :)

  4. Welcome a new internet troll :D

    in Introduce Yourself

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    Hello and welcome to the site....:)

    Thankyou :)

    WElcome to the site and most of all CoNGRATULATIONS on your baptism!

    Been a member for over 30 years & it was the BEST decision I ever made~!

    It definately feels that way! Its really changing my life and I thought I was already living a reasonably good life. But, it's given me the strength to do things that I've wanted to do for a long time. I'm so thrilled and thankful God sent missionaries to knock at my door.

    ^_^

  5. What in the heck? No caffeine?

    in Learn about The Church of Jesus Christ Of Latter-day Saints

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    but isnt the whole point of the restriction detailed in the Word of Wisdom for those who cannot control themselves with those things. The reason everyone abstains from alcohol being that whilst some people may be able to have 1 drink in moderation, others cannot, so by restricting its consumption totally, it doesn't encourage "the weakest of all saints" to consume. I can say as somebody who was totally addicted to Coca-Cola for many many years until just recently when I found the LDS church and the Word of Wisdom. It caused me ill health with weight gain and absolutely horrific dental problems which caused me to shy away from smiling until I had some expensive dental work done. Now, the whole point of the Word of Wisdom is that it promotes good health, shouldn't it be included.

    I went to a new years party organised by some other members of my local ward, and towards the end of the night half the drinks available were Coca-Cola, I was so tempted to drink it and it made it uncomfortable for me. Wasn't the Word of Wisdom designed to help people like me?

    I suppose I am lucky that I've never had a similar problem with alcohol. But I know if I take a relaxed attitude towards Coke again, within a short time I will be back in my old habit of drinking a Litre or two a day.

  9. Welcome a new internet troll :D

    in Introduce Yourself

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    GAH.. I just posted this at test.lds.net.... *facepalm*.. i'm like why has nobody replied :( hahahha

    Hi there, my name is Jeremy.

    I've recently become a member of the LDS church. I was baptized on the 27th of December 2008. I live in Perth, Western Australia where I'm a member of the Doubleview ward. As I'm a recent convert (previously Presbyterian Christian), I was googling away on various questions I had on my new faith and stumbled across this site. As I generally spend a lot of time on forums trolling around expressing my beliefs, I could not resist but to sign up here. I'm looking forward to listening/sharing beliefs from/to other members of the LDS church. Though I suspect my reputation as a 'bible-basher' (despite the fact I don't tend to involve religion on various moral/intellectual discussion in public forums) on various other forums may be replaced by 'hedonist' on this forum :lol: (no not quite, im sure I'll get along well here, much as I do with my new found brothers and sisters at church).

    I'm looking forward to talking with all of you and I think I'll start my first thread by kindof asking for help. This Sunday I've been asked to give my first talk at the church, and I'm very nervous about it, so I thought I'd post it here in hope that some people could read over it, and give suggestions or point out any grammatical errors etc etc. I'm a terrible public speaker and when I give my testimony at my baptism I almost wet myself :eek:

    so this is a first talk and I was advised to make it 5-8 minutes long. So very nervous :(

    Good afternoon brothers and sisters.

    As many of you know, I got baptized on Saturday just two weeks ago. Then, less than three hours after I received the Holy Ghost and was confirmed a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints that following Sunday, I was called upon to give a talk on the Word of Wisdom. Now one thing about me, I'm petrified of public speaking, and despite reassurances from everyone I spoke to after bearing my testimony on the day of my baptism, I know I looked like a rabbit staring at oncoming headlights. But, I've prepared this speech in faith that the Lord will give me the strength to speak with the conviction and surety that dwells within me.

    Why I've been asked to talk about the Word of Wisdom I'm not sure. But, at least it's a subject I have an opinion on and perhaps a little story. When Sister Robati and Sister McDowall first went over the Word of Wisdom, I loved it immediately. This is probably because for as long as I can remember, I've just hated alcohol, and for many years now refused to even touch a drop of it. I hate the way it made me feel when I drank it, even in small amounts I get ill from it, and most of all the person I become is not someone I can look at in the mirror. But for a number of my younger years, I would occasionally force it upon myself under the weight of peer pressure. I would regret it each and every time, and something began to dawn on me "hey, maybe God doesn't want me to do this".

    and this was confirmed to me as the Sisters encouraged me to read out aloud.

    7 And, again, strong drinks are not for the belly, but for the washing of your bodies.

    Now, I can bear my own testimony on these passages, as when I read them I can feel the spirit and the love of God. He is watching over me, protecting me and has given me these words to live by. Today, I am so thankful for this gift the Lord hath given me, and all the hard work that the missionaries and members have put in for my benefit.

    Now, as being a non-member until very recently, I had not this knowledge bestowed upon myself until now. So as I continue to speak of how I had broken these sacred guidelines in my youth please bear with me. But for, it's the only way I can think of to express exactly how strongly I feel about them today.

    From the ages of 17-23, which was over 3 years ago now, I was a smoker. I would smoke cigarettes all the time, it varied, some days i wouldn't smoke any, some days 3 or 4 and others 20 or 30. I never really liked them, and towards when I quit I absolutely despised them. They're foul tasting, they make you smell terrible, stain your fingers and cleaning up a spilled ashtray is absolutely disgusting. But oh how I would crave them, the feeling that you get, it's like Satan grabbing your shoulder. You just know you're under his wicked spell. But, despite how much I loathed them I couldn't give them up. I had so many so-called reasons why I still smoked cigarettes, but over time they dwindled one by one. "I enjoy it", well I certainly did not enjoy it. "It tastes good", no really I can't believe I ever said that. "it relaxes me", sure but my only stress was that I was craving cigarettes, and the final one I overcame "I'd rather shorten my life by 30 minutes than spend 30 minutes craving a cigarette" I only realise how ridiculous that sounds now I have just written it down preparing this speech. None of those words I uttered were my words, they were the words of the Devil. They were Satan trying to keep me from God. But there was one more obstacle to overcome, coffee. So I stopped drinking coffee, and I was able to quit cigarettes. So when I read further about the Word of Wisdom, these things did not come as a surprise.

    8 And again, tobacco is not for the body, neither for the belly, and is not good for man, but is an herb for bruises and all sick cattle, to be used with judgment and skill.

    9 And again, hot drinks are not for the body or belly.

    It was all related, coffee was the thing that bound me to the cigarettes, much as I've heard people say "I smoke when I drink". Once that hand is on your shoulder, so you are walked down the wrong path whereby you are tempted to be led further and further away from our father up in heaven.

    This, the Words of Wisdom, is even helping me today. Now you may ask, if you've come to realize all of these things before reading the Word of Wisdom, how can you say it's given you strength?

    Well as the missionaries continued the lesson after reading through the scriptures, and a few things were defined to me. As how hot drinks meant coffee and tea. I inquired, "why tea?" and Sister McDowall explained to me that because like coffee, it was caffeinated. This was something I was not aware of believe it or not. But, something that we had discussed earlier came to my mind.

    3 Given for a principle with promise, adapted to the capacity of the weak and the weakest of all saints, who are or can be called saints.

    This was taught to me to mean, whereas some people may be able to control themselves with alcohol or other items covered in the Word of Wisdom, there were those that would be weak and fall because of these things. Therefore, everyone abstains from these things, for the benefit of those who have not the strength to resist when they are around.

    Immediately my biggest weakness came to mind, and how it has severely affected my health, it has caused me to gain weight, and most horribly, until I had some expensive dental work done, I was even ashamed to be seen. It was Coca-Cola, and until we had this discussion. I drank it every single day without fail, and I knew then I had to stop. Now, from what I've seen amongst members so far is that some people are pretty relaxed or even divided on this issue, maybe because you see it as just another soft-drink. But to me, it's the hardest thing I've ever had to quit. I have tried so many times to stop drinking it, and failed time and time again.

    I wish I could tell you that since that day I never drank it again, but I can't. I'm doing better than I ever have before, I've not bought a single bottle of coke since that day. But one day just before Christmas, somebody bought me Hungry Jacks (burger king for you Americans), and without realising, I had started drinking the Coke they had given me, and even after I realised, despite all the effort I had put in to avoid it, I continued to drink it. But, I'm glad to say that was the last time.

    So, now, I only have one more thing left to work on. A healthy eating habit, so I'd like to conclude my talk by reading some more of the Word of Wisdom, that we may reflect on how we can improve our lives, by avoiding those fatty/sugary foods that make us feel bad, and by eating more of the things that keep us healthy like fruits and grains, and remembering not to eat too many of God's creatures needlessly, and more importantly to give thanks for that which the Lord hath blessed us.

    10 And again, verily I say unto you, all wholesome herbs God hath ordained for the constitution, nature, and use of man—

    11 Every herb in the season thereof, and every fruit in the season thereof; all these to be used with prudence and thanksgiving.

    12 Yea, flesh also of beasts and of the fowls of the air, I, the Lord, have ordained for the use of man with thanksgiving; nevertheless they are to be used sparingly;

    13 And it is pleasing unto me that they should not be used, only in times of winter, or of cold, or famine.

    I am very grateful for this that our father up in heaven hath given us. And I say this in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.

    please excuse me if I don't reply right away. It's way past my bedtime :lol: