Pintail

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  1. Well for one, example one is not "doctrine" so the only thing it conflicts with is your family/friends opinion on it. I believe the whole "Coke is bad" thing originated from the "Stick of Bruce" and there have been a couple other church leaders who have commented on it both negatively and positively. To this day there is no church doctrine or policy on the matter. If I'm wrong someone please tell me. Oddly enough the only Mormon's I've seem to have met which hold that feeling about soda are Utah Mormon. A generalization I know, but that has always been the case for me anyways. Maybe it's something in the water up their in the mountains. Who knows, there is caffeine in chocolate as well. So maybe you should feel guilty about eating a candy bar also. When it comes to the intricacies of doctrines like the WOW it has been my experience that we are generally asked to decide what we think is best for our relationship with God. Everything should be in moderation to a certain degree. If you have a problem with soda(caffeine) and are somewhat addicted to it, as in you rely on the soda and receive the shakes or headaches if you do not have any then maybe you should look at your consumption of it. That's my 2 cents...
  2. North SD-Land of beach breaks...
  3. Hello, New to the forum. Full Disclosure: -Married -Kids -Served a Mission -No Testimony to Speak Of -I question the validity to the church being the only true church but I am extremely open and working on having an experience that allows me to know the truthfulness of the true gospel. (This being one of many outlets to try and reveal that to me.)
  4. I'd also like to add that the fact in which this thread split into a priesthood discussion and a discussion on guilt ridden-guilt free sex thread is pretty hilarious...
  5. Lots of different views stated on this (which is good!) Personally, at this time in my life I believe that it was a perpetuated policy by individuals and not doctrine. The church simply allowed human error to influence church policy. I think it's somewhat naive to disregard the idea that LDS church leaders were not subject to the social construction of the country through that era of time. The priesthood was allowed to blacks periodically through JS time and it stopped during BY's time as a prophet. Young was pretty adamant about it and had no issue with members owning slaves, however he stated he personally had no need for it. JS seemed to be on the fence due to many reasons, which aren't quite clear. For the most part, the early church took an abolitionist stance towards it but it's stated in many historical accounts that the church needed to take a more relaxed stance to get along with its pro-slavery Missouri neighbors when the church moved into the area. That mixed with the views of the successors may have opened the floodgate to perpetuating the practice. Again that is just theory though. There are numerous quotes from prophets and apostle stating their opinion on this very subject, which are very undefendable and laughable*. Brigham Young has tons of them found in the Journal of Discourse. Bruce R. McConkie as well shared his theories in print, which were revised after the fact due to them being somewhat doctrinally incorrect. They only seem to validate this idea. The real shame is how the folklore of why Blacks couldn't hold the priesthood keep living on throughout church discourse (like the "Fence Sitters" comments and the "Decendants of Ham/Cain" among some of them. Personally? I don't have a problem with it and it doesn't rub me the wrong way (understandably easier said by myself than others) Men on the earth are running the church. It will never be perfect by our fallible nature and unfortunately incorrect practices and policies can be put in place for a time. I'm not disregarding the possibility that it was indeed divinely inspired but in most cases I think the most obvious or easiest answer is generally the correct answer. An interesting book to read regarding this topic is Black and Mormon by Newell Bringhurst and Darron T Smith. It's a compilation of many authors-LDS and people who are not members of the LDS church. Aloha