ehkape

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  1. I never looked at it that way. So, you think if Hagar would have respected Sarai, they would have stayed together? I think I could go along with that. Thanks for the thought. or a fallen prophet, yes, why not? Is it impossible? I don't think so. All throughout the D&C we read about warnings given to Joseph to be careful not to fall. DC 3:4 "For although a man may have many arevelations, and have power to do many mighty works, yet if he boasts in his own strength, and sets at naught the counsels of God, and follows after the dictates of his own will and carnal desires, he must fall and incur the vengeance of a just God upon him."Section 132, the celestial marriage section, says "and in none of these things did he [king David] sin against me save in the case of Uriah and his wife; and, therefore he hath fallen from his exaltation"(v.39) If David could fall by taking another mans wife, why not Joseph also? A little further down, verse 55 is counsel directed to Emma "if she will not abide this commandment she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law." Thats pretty harsh. I wouldn't like to hear that in a revelation myself... Let's see what history teaches us. The one who was destroyed wasn't Emma, but Joseph - within just a year after officially introducing polygamy. As I understand Emma never agreed with the practice at all and stayed behind when B.Y. and others left Nauvoo. According to the Lords prophesy, she should have been the one destroyed. Now its up to you to decide, whether or not this revelation came from the Lord.
  2. @ just a guy Well, I'm not sure. There are some scriptures, that might lead to the conclusion that he can command it. Abraham and Hagar are often used as example: At a closer look, its not the Lord who commands it, but Sarai herself who makes the offer. Afterwards she feels bad about it and calls it "wrong". After Sarai has born Isaac, she wants to kick out Hagar. Now, did the Lord approve their relationship or not? I'm not sure. At least, he never really commanded it and counsels Abraham to send Hagar and Ismael away. But it didn't stand in the way of Abraham being the father of many nations and a mighty prophet at his time So to the answer to whether he can or can not command polygamy: maybe... To the question if he did command the early LDS church: nope, I have a hard time believing it - as did some of the early apostles and 1st presidency counselors. Joseph kind of did the same thing as king David did when he saw Bath-sheba bathing. He didn't send husbands into war, but some of them on proselyting missions. To me, thats the same pattern.
  3. When or where did God command the church, to raise up seed unto him? Out of Josephs round about 30 marriages came not a single child as far as I am aware. (Other than Emma, his first wife) Quite the opposite is true for him. He even married women who were presently married to another husband. For example: Mary Rollins married Adam Lightner Aug 1835. By the time Joseph marries her in JAn 1842 she already has 2 children and is pregnant with the third. She never split up with Adam, but continued to live and have children with him. familysearch.org lists a total of 8 children - none of them are Josephs. FamilySearch.org - Search I don't believe polygamie was "commanded" to raise up seed to the Lord. Which brings us back to Jacob 2 "For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none"
  4. You don't really believe that was the reason Joseph introduced polygamy, do you?
  5. If the bishop thinks your child is too old, you can always give a "fathers blessing". Usually that is done at home or in a private setting and not during sacrament meeting. Maybe that's an option too.
  6. In addition: His plan for us is to return to him as family and become like him. I think that means to have "all that the Father has". If there would be any ammount of riches to be handed out, there could only be one single person out of all his children, who could inherit "all". But that would also mean that all other children would end up with literally nothing. Since he promises everybody who comes unto him everlasting life, it has to be an inheritance that you can give away without "loosing" anything yourself. For example, if you walk around smiling, most people will smile back at you. It doesn't matter if you pass it on to one person or hundreds - there is no limit to it because you can't run out of smiles. The inheritance our Heavenly Father will give us seems to be similar: Happiness, wisdom, glory, etc. "Things" you can share 100% without running out of stock :) So I don't think your progress is limited at all.