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Everyone knows that global warming is a scam, don't they? Really, don't you all remember the big scare over acid rain, back in the 80's everything was going to die due to acid rain, now all the ice on earth is going to melt and flood all the land...whatever!?!

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Ok, I just read the post since last night and I need to clarify some things, my friend isn't as angry as you think he his, and he's not going to waste his time in legal action against the church, I was just stating how he felt about being lied to by a Bishop. I won't comment on every assumption that people have made here on this thread, but I will say that it is very sad that the church is doing the opposite of what they teach. Rather than make the baptism of his children a positive spiritual experience, they decided to do it in secret, thus making it a strong point of contention between all parties, helping the parents to fight about such spiritual things isn't right (IMO). My friend has never been against the church or having his kids attend church, he simply wanted to be able to be there when his kids where baptized, in fact he told the bishop that he would like to baptize them himself, and rather then help him to make the choices necessary to have that happen... well, I guess if someone is on the fence about their believes in the church and everything, you should just push them off, after all we don't actually need people with problems in this church anyway do we, people that are on the fence just don't belong to the fold, so it's best a Bishop just go ahead and do something to really turn those kind of people away for good...(Yes, I am being sarcastic, it's in my nature) I guess, I'm upset, not that his kids are baptized but that it has been such a negative thing, I was really hoping to have this be a positive thing for this family.

Good one Pam.

I think 100% of boy's see Porn way before Senior Year in High School, more like the 7th grade.

Dravin, I understand your point on this, and I am taking that into account. I believe the Bishop was lied to by the kids Mother on this issue, but that being said, it doesn't aleiviate the responsibility of a bishop to tell the truth, he told my friend that his kids wouldn't be baptized without permission. This whole thing makes me sick. Bottom line is I was wondering if the church needs permission to baptize kids?

john doe, yes, there's always more to a story, I couldn't begin to put it all down here on this forum, but I got the basics down here so people would understand my questions. My friend isn't leaving the church because of this, he hasn't been active for a very long time. But, this sure didn't help bring him closer to church. Is it right that he be excluded from being at his own childrens baptisim, even if he's not active in the church?

I'm not 100% on the custody, everything is very new, they have been seperated for two months and the kids live with their mother. I don't think custody arrangements have been made yet, divorce papers haven't even been filed, they are seperated and my friend has been hopeing for some miracle to happen so they could work thing out. This is a case in which the church is actually helping a family split apart, not come togther. I still can't believe the Bishop flat out lied to him that way...

Uhm, I guess I should have use quotes or something "He said no, not at this time, I really want to talk to my kids about this and see if it is something they want to do." I was talking about what he told the bishop...

I didn't know where to post this question, so if there is better place for it please feel free to move it there. About two weeks ago a friend of mine who is recently seperated from his wife (about 2 months) was called by his Bishop asking him if he would give permission to let his two children be baptized, 8 and 10 years old. He said no, not at this time, I really want to talk to my kids about this and see if it is something they want to do. He is seperated from his wife and she has issued a No contact order/restraing order against him, so he hasn't had the opportunity to talk to his kids about this. They haven't been going to church in the past and this is a new thing that thier mother just came up with over the last few weeks. The Bishop told him that his kids wouldn't be baptized without his permission, that the church couldn't baptize kids without permission of the parents. He just found out that they were just baptized a few days ago. No one told him of this, and he found out by calling the Bishop to ask him a question, then the Bishop told him his kids are already baptized. When he asked the Bishop, why he lied to him the Bishop told him that they changed there minds and decided to baptize this kids anyway in secret. Not a single person on the kids father side of the family was made aware of this baptism, not the uncles, aunts grandparents, friends no one. So my question is does anyone else think this is right? It makes me sick, I've been a member of this church for my entire 37 years of life and I've never seen anything so wrong ever. My friend is livid, as a new hatred for the church because of this and is now tring to figure out how to take legal action if at all possible againt the church the missionarys and his Bishop. The first thing he did his ask to have his name removed from the church, yes he is a member (or used to be). The part that makes me sick is that I don't understand why anyone would want to rob a child of having her own father be present for her baptizim. And why would the church want to rob a father of seeing his children being baptized? He never was against them going to church or even getting baptized, he just wanted to be able to be there when they got babtized, but that was taken from him and his kids. And the church gained one more person that hates it, I actually don't really blame him for his hattred towards the church for this. I wonder how I would feel if someone was to do this to my children. I think the church should need the permission of both parents to baptize children. What do you think?