Behunin

Sounds good to me.

Talk about coincidence I am having a difficult time with the man who is Bishop in my ward. I am probably making a mistake, but I just stay away from him. When I go to get my recommend, I plan on seeing a counselor. About remembering the pre exsistance, When I was about 8, my mother was disciplining me about something and I was angry with her. I remember thinking, "she can't treat me this way, I haven't always been a little kid". Then I remember thinking, "thats right, I have not always been a little kid". Anyway, just a small peek back to the life before.

I anxious to start :) Spencer, are you going to give us a reading assignment?

Just a little bit of time is all you would need.

I thought singles ward was funny. Especially the ska version of "popcorn".

I hope that was a good thing for you. Are you keeping your mind open?

I think that you are mean? Really is that as bad as it got? I don't think that it is necessary that we all agree on everything. What I do think is important is that if we don't agree that we don't have to bash someone else to make ourselves feel better. I think that when things arise like that we should simply agree to disagree. :) Everyone who posts here is important to someone. How would we feel if someone we cared about was being bashed on a message board because of what they believe. With the rules being enforced, the only thing that could get out of hand is the degree of bashing and therefore feelings getting hurt. Behunin is right, what your intentions are weigh very heavily here. A gentle discussion comes across a lot differently then someone trying to hurt someone else. Part of being mature is NOT always having to be right. One my license plate of my car I have this written URRIGHT. I have read many books by Dr. Wayne Dyer. He has said that it is better to say "You Are Right" about that then to argue about anything at all. Saying you are right doesn't necessarily make them right but it ends the battle. Another thing that I have learned is that when you let another person upset you, you are giving your power away to them. Things are things that I TRY to follow but I do get carried away at times as well. DITTO!!!!

Because I'm ethnically Mormon. My parents were TBM. I was BIC. Served a mission, married in the temple, held callings, paid tithing etc etc...I have an interest in things Mormon because that is what I knew and surrounded myself with for the better part of 30 years. LDSTalk to me signifies talking about things LDS. It doesn't mean that we have to have a RS meeting and everyone should exchange platitudes. It means discussing, debating, dialoguing about things having to do with the Mormon Church, culture, and history. If it seems like I can't leave the Church alone...you're right. It didn't leave me alone for 30 years, and now it won't leave my family alone. Someday, when I get tired of this place, or the Church in general...maybe I'll quit posting on Mormon related BB's. It hasn't happened yet, and to be honest with you I don't know when and if it will happen. Maybe, when my ex-wife has her time with the kids, when the day comes that I don't have to worry about my kids being taken to the Church on Sundays, saying Mormon-esque prayers, being pressured to get baptized, have Mormon faith promoting stories read to them, etc etc...is the day I won't feel a need to share a counter-view to other members in whatever form. Or maybe not...I just don't know... Thank you for being honest. I understand you better now. I don't necessarily agree you, but nonetheless, I understand you a little better. Contention bothers me. No, it does more than that, it hurts. As I read your post, I got the feeling that the church has been shoved down your throat for many years. Sometimes I wonder if orthodox mormon parents realize that their overprotection can turn away their children. If Heavenly Father will not force his children to heaven, then we shouldn't either. AS, I enjoy a good discussion as long as it does not envolve being mean, contentious, or disparaging to anyone. They is never any good reason to be that way. So as long as your intentions are good, I hope we can be friends :)

I'm sure this question was directed at AS, but I'll answer for myself. I post at ldstalk because I have an interest in the Mormon religion and history. I have an LDS friend and LDS in-laws. I almost joined the LDS church so I still have a connection with it because of how it has effected my life. I don't share in some of the LDS beliefs but I do enjoy the history and a good debate now and then, and sometimes LDS views on certain religious questions. M. Maureen, Thank you Thank you. I appreciate your honest answer. Your interest in the LDS religion is with good intentions. I have the feeling others do not share your good intentions. :)

Please answer this: Why do you post on a message board that is LDS? It is called LDS talk forum. Is it your intent to be mean? If not, then what is you intent? I am curious to know why.

Why were you at church?

I was surfing the web and found out there is a movie of the Book of Mormon. Did any one else know about this? http://www.bookofmormonmovie.com/

I agree. Some people just want to be mean.

I didn't disagree, I agree with you and Peace. I believe there are different levels of teaching in the scriptures as well as the Endowment. The Savior taught with parables which have different levels of meaning depending on the reader.You mention Israel. Consider how many verses of scripture use both Jacob and Israel together: "For the LORD will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel..." Isaiah 14:1. There are hundreds of such verses using both. Israel is the new name given to Jacob, so why refer to both in the same verse? The historical part of the Word does have deep spiritual meaning apart from the literal, historical meaning. This is show in the Word: "For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. But he who was of the bondman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants..." Galatians 4:22-24.

This is true, but not until the resurrection, and after the millinium (sp). Remember that during spirit world/prison, missionary work/temple work is being done. Also during Christ's reign of a thousand years there will be temples on the earth performing sealings and other work.

God and His people. After reading the whole scripture, it is about relationships, cause and effects. The people were not obedient or living according to God...and He is saying, you are the only people who have known me, or IOW had my laws and been given my words, but you aren't living according to them...so I will punish according to your knowledge...but before I punish you...I will send out the warning through my prophets. I agree, especially about the relationships. I think there is also another way of looking at it. The "two" may also be the two Abinadi was talking about: "Ye have not applied your hearts to understanding; therefore, ye have not been wise." Mosiah 12:27. Any thoughts?

It doesn't have to be much. We could all read different verses and comment on them. The chat room would be fun too.

Yes, I would love to do that! :) Book of Ether is a great place to start.

I was interested in getting some opinions on a scripture. "Can two walk together except they be agreed?" Amos 3:3. Any thoughts as to what or who the "two" are?

This is impossible. No one on this earth can live free of mistaken judgements. If this were so, there would be no war. So when you ask "Don't you?", I can only say yes ideally, no in reality.Now just because this is an internet site that provides the safety of distance and anonimity, it is no reason to be dishonest. ( this doesn't mean people aren't). If Peace and Sgallon were speaking face to face on an airplane or anywhere eles, if they had the same spoken conversation as they have had written, it is very possible that the same things could have been said. Don'tcha think?

I love many mormon people. My entire extended family are mormon. I love them all. I am ethnically mormon. I am very interested in mormonsism. Bizbra, I have a book that you might be interested in reading. I won't tell you much here, so PM me, if you are interested. Now don't think me foolish, but this last post of yours I could really hear your heart and spirit. :)

This statement about Peace's "undies" does not fit with the scriptures you quoted.If you really believed what you quoted in those scriptures, you wouldn't judge Peace, underwear, or anything or anyone eles.

Are you following the advise of these scriptures? Is this how you treat others, including those on this message board?

I think antishock is just mean. He does not really care about LDS people and how we are being so called "deceived".The LDS church is not going away. Antishock, if you care about people, go help the homeless. The LDS people do not need your help. If you are concerned about enlightening deceived people, then go after politicians.

Peace, Your sacred experiences are wasted on some people on this board. Which makes me wonder again: What is their intent? For people who can't stand LDS people, why do they bother with a LDS talk forum? Hill Cumorah was not the battle field. No weapons to find. Moroni didn't bury the plates for another 20 years after that "final" battle.