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Don't be sorry!!! I want anyone who wants to to make a comment. I just REALLY would like Tr2 to answer.

Okay. Let's suppose there is a 'gay gene" and those people are "abberations" (I think you mean "aberration"), could a Down Syndrome person stop being a Down Syndrome person? If homosexuality is genetic, how can they help being what they are? My 5 year old daughter has Down syndrome. By the way, the correct way to refer to trisomy 21 is Down syndrome, not Down's syndrome. Anyway, I believe that when she is eventually resurrected that she will no longer have Down syndrome because she will be made perfect. Do you think if there is a "gay gene" that those who have it now will be made perfect in the resurrection and not be gay anymore?

I only ask if Tr2 believes it or not. I didn't imply whether it was linear or not. I don't think the success written of in the BoM is necessarily what I was asking about though. Don't get me wrong I agree. I think the people who lost their sight did not really evolve spiritually, that is why they lost their sight.

I think in one sense you are correct. If you go deeper and liken the scripture to yourself, it may refer to an affection or love, part of your will. It is either love to the Lord and neighbor or love of self.

Jesus said, "Blessed is the lion which becomes man when consumed by man; and cursed is the man whom the lion consumes, and the lion becomes man." I don't understand it either.... Since we're talking about parables, it seems to me this is first and foremost NOT literal. Consumed, like eating in the Bible, is rarely meant only in the literal sense anyway, even if not in a parable. At first glance, the lion in one sense may refer to a certain affection, possibly in the natural man.

Do you believe there is a latent spiritual or psychological evolution in man?

Man I love THIS guy!

Like I said before, I really like you.

I have gay friends at the hospital where I work. Gay men have always been good, kind and considerate to me. One day at work when I was having a particularly bad day, he took the time to find me and give me a small gift of a stained glass boat that he had made. He told me he hoped my day was going better and hoped his gift would cheer me up. It did. I still have this stained glass boat in my bedroom window.

I think your correct.

I am from Southern California. I have lived in Seattle and now I live in the Phoenix area. I am disappointed when I visit SLC. Not because of the church, but because of how the once beautifulcity is old and in disrepair. It seems that politics and the need to please other faiths has ruined the history there. I could be wrong, as this is just my opinion. However, the mountains are still beautiful. What do you mean by "the church is dying?"

Oh I really like you. Where have you been?By the way, Welcome elinz! I am glad your here! :)

If JS said resurrected people lived on the moon, isn't it possible that he was not speaking literally, but symbolically. The moon is a symbol for a degree of glory. If he taught this, then the "moon" he was speaking of was not the literal moon.

Is there a punch line to this question? (like a riddle?)

I did answer Biz. You speak of consequences not being voluntary, are you familiar with Alternative Dispute Resolution? Mediation does not involve coercion. Most people interact with others on a voluntary basis now. Like I wrote before, there are two groups of men and women who provide their services on a compulsory basis: 1) the mafia and 2) the other mafia called "government." You believe men, women and children need to be controlled against their will. I believe in freedom and liberty. You believe in slavery by majority consent. I believe you should have 100% control over your life and property 100% of the time and 0% control over other people's lives and property. You believe your life and property should be controlled by someone else. And that is fine, but why do you insist that others should not have 100% control over their lives and property 100% of the time? If you want others to control your life and property I say GREAT! Run with it, just leave me alone, I don't want or need someone to control my life and property.

If someone steals my car while I'm away, how do I get it back? Under anarchy, I have to rely on myself. I can sneak up while he's not looking and steal it back. Or I can point a gun at his head and demand it back. Or, I suppose, I could ask for it back, really nicely, although I think I'd probably just get laughed at. I'm interested to hear some other suggestions. A government is essentially a monopoly on the use of force in enforcing rights. Over the years, people have found this to be more efficient than allowing each person to use force to preserve his rights. The history of Western theories of government over the past several centuries has been the history of attempts to make the sovereign's monopoly on force as legitimate and respectful of individual liberty as possible, while still preserving the efficiency it is designed to protect. Are you familiar with the economic concept of "free riders"? I'd be interested in hearing how you'd suggest solving the free-rider problem with respect to traffic lights, and also how you'd suggest enforcing private traffic rules. (And don't just point to toll roads as an example; in your system, not only a few major arteries but the whole street grid would have to be privately owned and operated.) You are either pulling a lawyer tactic here or you just have not given any thought to the subject.If your car is stolen you basically have the same situation as you have now. If you have insurance, they will either find the car or fulfill their agreement under your contract and make you whole again. What do the cops do? Nothing. The only difference is you are not forced to pay the cops to NOT protect you. You seem to not realize or understand the police, or the "state," are NOT there to protect you. You cannot sue the police for not protecting your property because there is no duty to protect you and your property. Over the years people have found this is not more efficient, they are told there is no better way by those who have a vested interest in that coercive service. How can you force a service on someone and still be legitimate and respectful of individual liberty? Liberty includes the right to say no. Apparently you do not think men and women have a right to say no to a service. All businesses have problems collecting. Not being paid on a small degree of accounts is a part of business. You think there are no "free riders" with companies like microsoft? This problem, like any problem, requires a creative solution to solve it. It certainly does not justify the imposition of a service by violence. As a statist you speak of "free riders?" My gosh, do I really need to give examples of "free riders" with so-called "states?" "States" encourage "free riders."

Uh, yes. So it is anti-American to believe services and products should be provided on a voluntary basis? I guess the part in the declaration of independence about the protection of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness being by "Consent" was also anti-American. You wrote I did not deserve to be a "citizen," well please tell me what a "citizen" is, or what you think it is and then I can respond.

How does a voluntary society function? The same as it does now, with the exception of a so-called "state." You need me to point out how? Do you pay for your food? How do you pay for the services and products you use now?

Alma the younger was the vilest of sinners.

Apparently you have never been involved with the IRS. You forget, those so-called "laws" are imposed by force by a group of men and women who impose themselves on the people without their consent. Yeah, use the Gambino union and stay out of trouble. It's simple! What I recognize is a group of men and women who impose themselves on others. Too bad you can't recognize that. You don't recognize a man/woman's right to say no. Best ever devised? Please, even the best form of slavery is still slavery. How about the same services provided on a voluntary basis? Why impose a service on someone against their will?

Are you accusing me of being Anti-American?Also, prophets are not perfect. Alma the younger was the vilest of sinners and he repented and was reborn; that's the good news, or the Gospel; though we are "fallen" we can awake. Prophets are not exempted from the fall.

Don't be upset by this scripture AFDAW, don't read the words literally. There is a deeper message. When I get home from work I will send you this scripture, chapter and verse.

The selfishness of adultery has consequences that last a lifetime.

Good advice for those who will listen! Thank you Peace.

If I showed you a passage in the Bible, which incidentally is canonized scripture, that God does indeed create Evil, would you believe otherwise? AS is correct. It is in Isaiah.