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That may have come out wrong. They know what is true, but they just hate and despise it. They want to be better than God. There selfish acts is what got them kicked out of heaven in the first place.

Paul recognized and called to their attention that some may have had a non saving faith Some believed as Demons believed. (James 2:19). Satan and devils believe in God, they just dont believe its true and had no love for Christ and his righteousness. See Matthew 7:22-27. Other parables in Matthew 7 illustrate this as well.

If what you wrote is true then the entire Bible is not true, God doesnt exist, there is no heaven, no hell, and no eternal life of any kind. I might as well start sinning like crazy, having sex with whoever I want, etc and just have fun. The Bible clearly states that God created everything. Genesis 1 supports creation out of nothing. John 1:3, Jeremiah 10:16, Acts 17:24, Colossians 1:15-17, Ephesians 3:9 Revelation 4:11, Revelation 10:6 etc. Read the verses in Colossians above. This are great verses. It says he was the firstborn of all Creation. Firstborn can mean two things. One is born first chronologically and the second refers to pre eminence in position or rank. In both Jewish and Greek culture the firstborn was the ranking son who received the right of inheritance from his father, whether or not he was born first. Israel is described as a firstborn nation in Exodus 4:22 and Jeremiah 31:9. Firstborn is clearly meant to describe rank in this case, not first created (see also Revelation 1:5 and Psalm 89:27). For a few reasons, Jesus cant be both the "first begotten" and "only begotten" (John 1:14, 18, John 3:16, 18, 1 John 4:9), when "firstborn" is part of a class, the class is in the plural form (example Colossians 1:18 Christ was first chronologically raised from the dead never to die again. Of everyone that has been raised and will be raised Jesus is supreme. But in this case, creation, the class in this verse, is singular. And the last reason is that God cannot be the creator of everything and be created at the same time. To answer your all powerful question read Philippians 2:5-11. Verse 10 says the whole entire universe will bow at the sound of His name. His name of Lord places Him above all things as the sovereign ruler. In regards to the Jews, they dont even recognize Jesus as the Messiah. A lot of Christians believe in millions of years. But I dont know why because that is not supported by the Bible. oh and why must I believe that the world is flat?

+1. This is one reason why I started this thread. I was under the assumption that this is what Mormons believed, that is was not by faith alone. Turns out Mormons are more like "traditional" Christians than I thought.

Again this concept is hard to grasp but the Holy Spirit is God in Spirit form, Jesus is God in human form. They are 3 in 1. So if the Holy Spirit is somewhere then God is there as well.

Ok I think Im getting where you are coming from. What do Mormons believe regarding the Trinity? God in spiritual form (the Holy Spirit) can be wherever He wants. I believe God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are one in the same. While Jesus was on Earth he was also in Heaven. This is something that is extremely hard for the human brain to comprehend. Its the same thing as God always was, is, and is to come. The is and is to come part are easy to understand because future and present are easy. But understanding eternity past is something that is hard to grasp. This is one of those scenarios that a human brain simply cant fathom.

does the Bible not say that God is omnipresent, omnipotent, and omnisicient? I dont have my Bible in front of me but I thought it said that.

i understand that a day is like a 1000 years to God, but I take this as saying God is all knowing, and can be everywhere. God always was, still is, and always will be. This has nothing to do with 6 days versus millions of years or thousands of years.

Of course day could mean different things. It could mean 24 hours, it could mean roughly the 12 hour part of the day when the sun is shining. It could also mean a period of time (back in my grandfathers day). Im no expert in Greek and Hebrew and any other languages that the Bible was written in, but I was told if a number accompanies the word day, it always means 24 hours.

This is why I want to learn more about Mormons because I just dont get it. The Bible CLEARLY states God created everything. He created angels, matter, atoms, everything. So that would mean God clearly created the universe out of nothing. Could God snap his fingers and do whatever he wants? Absolutely because God is God. If he couldnt do that, then God isnt God and is not all powerful.

so it seems from the responses that it is faith alone that gets you in. I had always Mormons believed that works was also a part but I guess Im wrong. Works is a byproduct of faith and someone of faith should practice works. I guess an example would be a person who has done terrible things in his life (murder, rape, stealing, etc) and he was on his death bed. And 10 minutes before he died, he accepted Christ. So he had no time to do any good works but he still believed, does he get in? For what its worth and some may have figured it out, I am not Mormon but wanted to know more about it.

Is God capable to do anything? Of course, He is God and He can do what he wants because he is Omnipotent, Omnipresent, etc. Like I said before humans could not have existed before Adam because they werent living when he was created. That means if there were humans before Adam they would have all died. And death before sin totally conflicts with the Bible. So if there were humans and creation before Adam, then the Bible is totally false and the God I know does not exist. So back to Godless's question that humans before Adam were so dumb they couldnt comprehend sin. Yes this interferes with God's plan because death didnt exist until sin occurred. So since there was no death, if people before Adam never sinned then they should have still been living. Back to the original statement about how God is capable. Of course God is capable to create Earth in millions of years but he didnt according to Genesis. Anytime a number is used next to day it means a 24 hour day. "It was evening and morning the first day, etc" This means that Earth was created in 6 literal days and that the earth is roughly 6,500 years old.

Forgive me but i didnt read the whole thread. But Im new here and wanted to contribute. First off the world didnt exist 194,000 years ago so there couldnt have been any humans on Earth. Secondly, there were no one before Adam. Adam was the first sinner and that is when God put the curse over all creation causing death. If there were people before Adam they had to have died because they werent around when Adam came to be. So death before sin cant happen. If it did happen, the whole entire Bible is fake and Christ died in vain.

Ive heard from some its a combination or works and faith, and a few different things. Exactly what does it take? Thanks.

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