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Very well... poor wording. I believe that the Bible we have today is an accurate translation of the infallible word of God, which was written in the original Hebrew and Greek on manuscripts that have been preserved to this time. I do not believe that all translations are correct and the men who added to, or took away from the words of God to support a bias doctrine or belief will be accountable for it. As an example: the NWT is a false translation, among others. I have met Mormon missionaries who have said they have NIV bibles and/ or KJV,NKJV bibles. Do you believe the JST is the only correct translation? I thought that the LDS approved the KJV bible as one of the four works which make up the LDS Gospels? JST bible This is such a ridiculous argument. Let's settle it once and for all. There is a part of man's being that is not physical, a part that dwells inside him and leaves his physical body at death. Call it spirit or soul or whatever. There, are we done with that argument? So you disagree with D&C 88:15 that says the soul is the physical body + spirit? I agree that we have a spirit which survives physical death. The departing of a man's spirit does not dissolve the soul which I Scripturally proved earlier does survive the physical death of the body.

Quotes are in blue because they are not coming up correctly in the preview. If they show correctly once posted, then I guess there will be blue text within a nice quote box. Yes, the holy Scriptures were written by men, but ALL Scripture is given by ispiration of God. If it is Alma's opinion, then it's not the word of God, but the words of Alma. Is that what you're saying? And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts; knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit. (2 Pet 1:19) All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. (2 Ti 3:16) Yes He meant that as well and we should fear Him. The message to fear Him deos not nullify the clear depiction of the body and soul being two separate entities. Examples please. Bodies put in the condition... killed, or slain. Yes, the reason they were killed was for their testimony of Jesus Christ, but it was still their souls, apart from their bodies, which John saw under the altar. As for me, my assurance comes from the holy Spirit who testifies of Jesus Christ. “But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me. (Jn 15:26)

All quotes are taken from the links you provided for me to look at: From the D&C, it states that the soul of a man = spirit + body and that without one or the other, there is no soul. The make-up of a "living soul" is the unity of the two. Therefore, when a man dies and his spirit leaves his body, that man would cease to exist as a living soul. And the spirit and the body are the soul of man. (D&C 88:15) Then, in the BOM it says that the spirit or the soul can be raised apart from the bodily resurrection. How is this possible if the soul, by definition (D&C 88:15) is the complete unit of spirit and body? Now, there are some that have understood that this state of happiness and this state of misery of the soul, before the resurrection, was a first resurrection. Yea, I admit it may be termed a resurrection, the araising of the spirit or the soul and their consignation to happiness or misery, according to the words which have been spoken. (Alma 40:15) I believe the soul is an essence separate from the body and is not destroyed by death. It is distinguished from other parts of the body (as indicated from the following passage which was in the list of Scriptures you gave me). And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. (Matt 10:28) Again, here the spirit, soul, and body are shown as separate: Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. (1 Thess 5:23) For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. (Heb 4:12) The souls of martyred men are under the altar. I'm sure you would agree that this account is before the resurrection and that those John saw under the altar were not fleshly bodies + spirit = soul, but the souls of men separated from their bodies at their physical death - those slain and waiting for the Lord to avenge their blood (Rev 6:10). When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. (Rev 6:9)

I believe non-LDS do say there are 3 entities which make up a man. Body - spirit - soul. It is said that spirit and soul are somewhat used interchangeably within the Scriptures, but they are separate elements. I would agree with you, we are made up of 3 parts. Body - physical being spirit - our spiritual being soul - our personality, mind, "intelligence" Why does it say in Genesis that man's soul was formed (came into being) at his physical creation? And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. (Gen 2:7)

They are Ray, at least using the definitions I had in mind. I said we are either begotten or created. Perhaps I should have said manufactured or constructed. I'm not quibbling about DNA and such, but spiritually we were either "born" as a mortal baby is "born." Not meaning following a 9 month gestation period, but as the fruit of two parents. You could say yeah, that's "creating," but my point was that we aren't something God just pieced together in His workshop. We are literally God's spirit children. As opposed to, "Hmmm, this bit of nebular dust looks promising...now let's see, take one pinch of dust, fold into five cups of carbon, heat on high for two thousand years...wow, I've created a spirit!" Forgive the sarcasm, but you get the point. There is a difference between being begotten and manufactured/created. I'm seeing a lot of talk about being begotten. What does it mean when Jesus is called the only "begotten" Son? Isaac was not Abraham’s “only begotten” in a physical, created sense, but he was called his only begotten son. Abraham also begat Ishmael. Isaac was “begotten” in a unique or favored sense since through him was the promise and not through Ishmael. (Heb 11:17) The phrase "only begotten" does not mean created, but unique, blessed, favored. Through Jesus the new covenant came to fulfillment (the promise given to Abraham - that his descendants would be as numerous as the sands on the seashore). Jesus being the only begotten Son does not mean Jesus was created. He is called the "ETERNAL" God and the word "eternal" means without beginning or end.

Jesus is the person of God that can be seen, the Angel of the Lord, the "eternal" Son of God (no beginning, no end). Jesus is the blessed eternal God, Savior, Redeemer, Lord of Lords, Emmanuel (God with us). He is the Son of Man, the Son of God, my Lord and my God – the only true God, not one of countless gods, not created but eternal as the Scriptures say. Elohim said there are no other gods beside Him (see Scriptural referenced below). He knows not one. If Jesus was "a" god apart from the Father, wouldn’t even his Father (elohim) know that he was “a” god? Is not the Father all knowing? “Thus says the Lord [yhwh], the King of Israel, And his Redeemer, the Lord [yhwh] of hosts: ‘I am the First and I am the Last; Besides Me there is no God [elohim]. Isaiah 44:6 Do not fear, nor be afraid; Have I not told you from that time, and declared it? You are My witnesses. Is there a God [elowha] besides Me? Indeed there is no other Rock; I know not one.’ ” Isaiah 44:8 References one God: Deut 6:4; 32:39; Isaiah 43:10; 44:6,8; 45:5,18,21,22; 46:9; Joel 2:27; Mark 12:29; 1 Cor 8:6; 1 Tim 2:5 only true God: Gen 2:4; Deut 6:4; Ps 90:2; Isaiah 43:10; 45:5,21; Jer 10:10; Jn 17:3; 6:27; 1 Cor 8:6; Eph 1:17; 1 Pet 1:2; 2 Pet 1:16

It is better to look intently at an original bill - then when a counterfeit is placed before you, you will know that it is a counterfeit. How do you know that the truth you claim to have is exactly that? The truth will withstand the test. Even the Scriptures say to test everything and hold to that which is good, test the spirits to see if they are from God, look into the word to see if the things you are taught are true, and test yourself to be sure you are in the faith - unless you be disqualified already. It is healthy and beneficial to test your religion. Are the teachings you're given really from God? Why do you believe what you believe? Is it because someone you admire or hold in high regard has taught you? Is it because the things you heard were what you needed to hear at a vulnerable time in your life? Your reasons for holding on to your beliefs do not necessarily make your beliefs right. Are you in the truth?

True, the teachings of Jesus do not conflict with the Scriptures. You fail to recall the Scriptures which say a man will be responsible for his own iniquity. Those days have come with the coming of Jesus Christ our Lord. Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor shall children be put to death for their fathers; a person shall be put to death for his own sin. Deut 24:16 However he did not execute their children, but did as it is written in the Law in the Book of Moses, where the Lord commanded, saying, “The fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor shall the children be put to death for their fathers; but a person shall die for his own sin.” 2 Chr 25:4 The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself. Ezek 18:20 In those days they shall say no more: ‘The fathers have eaten sour grapes, And the children’s teeth are set on edge.’ But every one shall die for his own iniquity; every man who eats the sour grapes, his teeth shall be set on edge. Jer 31:29,30 For if anyone thinks himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceives himself. But let each one examine his own work, and then he will have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another. For each one shall bear his own load. Gal 6:3-5 Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. Gal 6:7